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By Viciouss 2020-06-01 01:39:35
I'm not backpedaling at all. I am comfortably stating that the ideology of the left had nothing to do with the reasons the protests started, and that fact remains right now. Your "evidence" didn't work at all. Pointing out the voting demographics was funny tho.
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By Valefor.Commodus 2020-06-01 01:50:04
the behavior and mindset of the leftist groups involved in the rioting matches the mindset of the leftists posting in these very threads. You're trying to defend "muh democrats" by creating a strawman argument that "you can't prove that the rioters voted democrat." You're also trying to create another strawman argument now that "things didn't start out for political reasons." No one is making either of these arguments. You're not following along or understanding at all.
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By Garuda.Chanti 2020-06-01 09:42:00
... unfortunately liberal states have already used such lists for mass confiscation.... Link. Without a link you are talking out of your ***.
I mean even a link fro a disreputable source like the Federalist or HufPo is better than merely flapping your *** cheeks. Linked a bunch last year but sure.
https://freebeacon.com/issues/california-man-home-raided-guns-confiscated-trying-register-firearm/
https://www.kqed.org/news/11779718/california-adopts-nations-broadest-gun-seizure-rules
http://www.truthandaction.org/californias-new-gun-confiscation-squads/
https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2019/02/09/report-gun-confiscations-surge-under-california-red-flag-law/
That's just with a few minutes of searching and doesn't include
From 2015, California's first attempt
https://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/govbeat/wp/2015/05/05/california-discovers-its-really-expensive-to-confiscate-peoples-guns/
Right now anyone can make a phone call and the police come knocking, then you gotta sue the state to get them back and hope they aren't destroyed in the six to eighteen months it takes for the courts to do their thing. The police destroy firearms within 90 days of receipt so virtually nobody gets them back.
Test of the bill
http://leginfo.legislature.ca.gov/faces/billNavClient.xhtml?bill_id=201920200AB61
There is no court, just one day the police show up, knock on your door and if your stupid enough to let them in they'll search your home and seize any firearms present. You then must petition the court to have them returned, the petition takes six to eighteen months until you get to see a judge where you argue that you aren't crazy or dangerous or whatever nasty things the anonymous person said about you.
Someone like Vic, Zero, Chanti, DirectX or any of the rest can start submitting the names of everyone they know, even second or third hand, via the new reporting system that then gets rubber stamped the same way no-knock warrants get rubber stamped.
That by the way was one of reasons for the insanity that happened in Richmond, the Democrats in Virginia attempted to one up California and have police kicking in peoples doors without any court system involved. After all the push back they reworded the bill so that the State is required to have a court hearing within 14 days of executing the confiscation. Actual links! Thanks. But none are "mass confiscation." I see articles about confiscation from individuals and the laws themselves, nut no "mass confiscations."
Aside: I have mentioned I have a friend who is a 2ed amendment fundamentalist and an ex cop. He is in the forefront of fighting red flag laws in NM. He is well versed on the subject and never mentions "mass confiscations."
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By Valefor.Commodus 2020-06-01 10:05:45
mass confiscations only haven't happened because of millions of people like your friend defending 2A. The left is CONSTANTLY pushing and trying to pass legislation for "assault rifle bans," "mandatory gun buybacks (LiKe aUstrAliA!)", etc. States like california have severely limited what types of guns, magazines, accessories, etc their citizens can possess. It's been made very difficult or virtually impossible to obtain a carry license in many leftist-controlled cities and states.
Yet the entire time leftist groups are screaming about banning guns, they're also on TV going "huh? us? lol no no of course we don't want to confiscate your guns, believe us ;)" Then they show up to D.C. the next day to propose new anti-gun legislation.
It's all a game and based on emotional manipulation. The vaaaaaaaast majority of gun crime is committed with handguns and by gang members. Rifles of any kind account for like 6% of gun-related violence. So you'd think these leftist groups should logically be demanding handgun bans and not rifles, right? They target rifles because they can emotionally manipulate simple people by lying and showing pictures of rifles and telling people they look really scary. Their goal is to set a legal precedent with banning and confiscating rifles, and then use that small opening to leverage the same with handguns.
What's even crazier is that they used to be sneakier about it, but lots of leftist politicians flat out admit that they want this now. That's how far left the left has gone.
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By Garuda.Chanti 2020-06-01 10:29:54
Wait Commodus. Are you contradicting Saevel? Are you an underground lefty or something?
Saevel has flat stated that mass confiscation has happened.
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By Valefor.Commodus 2020-06-01 10:44:26
Wait Commodus. Are you contradicting Saevel? Are you an underground lefty or something?
Saevel has flat stated that mass confiscation has happened.
I'm not Saevel and you "slunk away" from responding to the substance of my post (again).
By Voren 2020-06-01 12:23:34
Crimes committed with a rifle, and this is all rifle styles combined, account for 3% of all firearm related acts.
The highest rate of usage of a firearm is a pistol and for suicide.
I would like to see more funding towards suicide prevention, but that’s not as sext as mass murders with evil rifles.
That reminds me, I best go check m AR, I’ve been away from house for a couple hours and it may have gotten restless.
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By Voren 2020-06-01 12:24:25
Sorry sext = sexy, on phone and got fat fingers.
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By Valefor.Commodus 2020-06-01 13:00:14
Crimes committed with a rifle, and this is all rifle styles combined, account for 3% of all firearm related acts.
The highest rate of usage of a firearm is a pistol and for suicide.
I would like to see more funding towards suicide prevention, but that’s not as sext as mass murders with evil rifles.
That reminds me, I best go check m AR, I’ve been away from house for a couple hours and it may have gotten restless.
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By Asura.Saevel 2020-06-01 14:03:27
Wait Commodus. Are you contradicting Saevel? Are you an underground lefty or something?
Saevel has flat stated that mass confiscation has happened.
It has happened, they are doing it in California right this moment.
https://blog.independent.org/2020/05/26/california-exploits-ammunition-background-checks-to-confiscate-guns/
Fail the "ammunition background check", they come in and seize all firearms and good luck getting them back. Right now the State of California is looking for any reason to seize as many firearms as possible. This is mass confiscation.
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By Voren 2020-06-01 14:42:18
Update: my AR’s didn’t move, they were well behaved and remained in the house self entertaining. I forgot to leave the TV on for them, but they managed. Thank you all for your thoughts and prayers for their safety.
Wait Commodus. Are you contradicting Saevel? Are you an underground lefty or something?
Saevel has flat stated that mass confiscation has happened.
It has happened, they are doing it in California right this moment.
https://blog.independent.org/2020/05/26/california-exploits-ammunition-background-checks-to-confiscate-guns/
Fail the "ammunition background check", they come in and seize all firearms and good luck getting them back. Right now the State of California is looking for any reason to seize as many firearms as possible. This is mass confiscation.
Wait, you mean Commiefornia is denying Americans their constitutional rights.. waaaat? Surely you jest.
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By Asura.Saevel 2020-06-01 16:00:33
Update: my AR’s didn’t move, they were well behaved and remained in the house self entertaining. I forgot to leave the TV on for them, but they managed. Thank you all for your thoughts and prayers for their safety.
Wait Commodus. Are you contradicting Saevel? Are you an underground lefty or something?
Saevel has flat stated that mass confiscation has happened.
It has happened, they are doing it in California right this moment.
https://blog.independent.org/2020/05/26/california-exploits-ammunition-background-checks-to-confiscate-guns/
Fail the "ammunition background check", they come in and seize all firearms and good luck getting them back. Right now the State of California is looking for any reason to seize as many firearms as possible. This is mass confiscation.
Wait, you mean Commiefornia is denying Americans their constitutional rights.. waaaat? Surely you jest.
Yeah it's pretty crazy how this is all automatic without any chance for the citizen to challenge the removal of their rights.
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By Asura.Eiryl 2020-06-01 17:29:33
Expected Live at 6:15 p.m. ET: President Trump to address the nation amid unrest.
By Viciouss 2020-06-01 17:33:35
Just brief remarks, expect more partisan attacks. The President's biggest role in situations like this is to be a moral compass, which Trump isn't capable of. He can't "send in the troops" the way he wants to.
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By Asura.Eiryl 2020-06-01 17:49:15
He's mobilizing the military. We DOMINATE the streets. "Solve the problem" Sounds just like a "final solution".
There will be blood.
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By Bahamut.Ravael 2020-06-01 19:03:23
Ah, I was wondering when the Godwins would start.
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By Shiva.Zerowone 2020-06-01 19:40:27
Ah, I was wondering when the Godwins would start.
You been sleeping? We Godwin’d on day 1 after the “don’t believe your eyes I had the largest inauguration in the history of the universe, also there wasn’t any rain.”
By Draylo 2020-06-01 19:42:51
Tons of police here armed to the teeth, lots of streets blocked off
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By Bahamut.Ravael 2020-06-01 20:02:03
Ah, I was wondering when the Godwins would start.
You been sleeping? We Godwin’d on day 1 after the “don’t believe your eyes I had the largest inauguration in the history of the universe, also there wasn’t any rain.”
I’m fully aware of your Godwin history, don’t you worry.
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By Shiva.Zerowone 2020-06-01 20:09:13
Ah, I was wondering when the Godwins would start.
You been sleeping? We Godwin’d on day 1 after the “don’t believe your eyes I had the largest inauguration in the history of the universe, also there wasn’t any rain.”
I’m fully aware of your Godwin history, don’t you worry.
At least you’re aware of something, I was a little worried there.
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By Bahamut.Ravael 2020-06-01 20:14:18
Ah, I was wondering when the Godwins would start.
You been sleeping? We Godwin’d on day 1 after the “don’t believe your eyes I had the largest inauguration in the history of the universe, also there wasn’t any rain.”
I’m fully aware of your Godwin history, don’t you worry.
At least you’re aware of something, I was a little worried there.
Hitler was condescending too. On a scale from 9-10, how much do you hate Jews?
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By Ragnarok.Ozment 2020-06-02 07:35:14
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By Garuda.Chanti 2020-06-02 20:15:09
Did anyone else notice that Trump's today started with a telephone call from his handler?
By volkom 2020-06-02 20:20:54
link?
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By Garuda.Chanti 2020-06-02 21:43:49
OK, yesterday.
Quote: Monday morning, President Trump had a friendly chat with campaign supporter and Russian strongman Vladimir Putin. Shortly after, he held a call with governors in his own country, where he sternly lectured that Minnesota had become “a laughingstock all over the world.”
Trump did not say which parts of the world he meant. But the timing of the call is suggestive. Indeed, history may one day record that when Trump was seized with paralysis over his response to the demonstrations against the murder of George Floyd, it was Putin who either inspired or goaded him to surrender fully to his authoritarian impulses. New York Intelligencer
I don't know the source but I suspect it leans WAY left.
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By Asura.Eiryl 2020-06-02 21:54:21
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By Shiva.Zerowone 2020-06-02 22:03:19
“So if you hold a book up for a propagandistic photo op like all the other failed dictators suddenly you’re trying to be like all the failed dictators. I don’t see it”
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By Bahamut.Ravael 2020-06-02 22:35:55
“So if you hold a book up for a propagandistic photo op like all the other failed dictators suddenly you’re trying to be like all the failed dictators. I don’t see it”
You're still on this? Call it stupid all you like, but it's a freaking photo op. Trump isn't anywhere near becoming a dictator. I know it's hard to imagine life under a real dictatorial regime from your comfy chair, but gain some perspective, sheesh.
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By Asura.Eiryl 2020-06-02 22:37:23
He can't become what he already is
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By Bahamut.Ravael 2020-06-02 22:58:19
He can't become what he already is
So, um, you've heard of this Constitution thing, right? It, uh, kinda prevents that. Even in your liberal fantasy world where Trump dreams of being a dictator, that does not make him one. Beyond that, dictators emerge when there is a perfect storm that allows them to grab that kind of power, and there is absolutely no chance that Trump could make that kind of move even if he wanted to in the current political and social climate. He would need the media to be complicit (which is vastly against him), he would need Congress to be complicit (which is half against him), he would need the courts to be complicit (which aren't even close to being radical enough to support such a thing), and he would need enough of the citizenry to be complicit (not happening).
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