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By Ragnarok.Ozment 2020-05-29 09:12:16
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By Ragnarok.Ozment 2020-05-29 09:13:51
That guy sums it up for me.
By volkom 2020-05-29 09:37:48
nothing against the guys opinion, just pointing out that the channel was created rather recently with 105 videos uploaded already with similar videos as the above. There's ads and a few articles about it like in the NYtimes, CNN etc...
https://www.cnn.com/2020/05/28/politics/republican-voters-against-trump-ad-campaign/index.html
aside from that iirc Biden is still the presumptive nominee and not the official one right?
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By Garuda.Chanti 2020-05-29 09:47:26
And don’t forget anti-math/economics for believing that you can fund 14+ digit socialist economic policies by just taxing the mega rich a little more. "Tax cuts will pay for themselves." ...
"Anti-education?" You believe that all conservatives are against people being educated?
"Anti-science?" You believe that all conservatives are against the practice of science?
"Anti-critical thinking?" You believe that all conservatives are against the practice of critical thinking?
"Anti-facts?" You believe that all conservatives are against facts?
"Anti-civics?" You believe that all conservatives are against the study of civics? No, just far to many of the elected ones.
Quote: Do you genuinely believe that voter fraud doesn't exist? I personally know a woman who steals her son's mail in ballot EVERY SINGLE ELECTION and fills it out herself. That is vote fraud. She is a republican.
Massive vote fraud hardly ever happens and the last time someone was caught in organized, large scale, vote fraud it was a republican.
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By Garuda.Chanti 2020-05-29 09:49:08
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aside from that iirc Biden is still the presumptive nominee and not the official one right? The conventions make it official. Until then both Biden and Trump are presumptive nominees.
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By Valefor.Commodus 2020-05-29 10:32:07
And don’t forget anti-math/economics for believing that you can fund 14+ digit socialist economic policies by just taxing the mega rich a little more. "Tax cuts will pay for themselves." ...
"Anti-education?" You believe that all conservatives are against people being educated?
"Anti-science?" You believe that all conservatives are against the practice of science?
"Anti-critical thinking?" You believe that all conservatives are against the practice of critical thinking?
"Anti-facts?" You believe that all conservatives are against facts?
"Anti-civics?" You believe that all conservatives are against the study of civics? No, just far to many of the elected ones.
Quote: Do you genuinely believe that voter fraud doesn't exist? I personally know a woman who steals her son's mail in ballot EVERY SINGLE ELECTION and fills it out herself. That is vote fraud. She is a republican.
Massive vote fraud hardly ever happens and the last time someone was caught in organized, large scale, vote fraud it was a republican.
So we agree that voter fraud definitely exists and that there's definitely voter fraud that is never even reported, per your own anecdote. Yet somehow you have concluded that it's impossible that there's a lot of it? Imagine if everyone knew just one person who's committed voter fraud... how many people are there in the country? Even if your single anecdote about republican voter fraud being the most recent and most egregious was true (It's not, here's an interactive map that shows convicted cases state-by-state),, then your own anecdote refutes your position... you've weakened your argument by admitting that it exists. What's your argument for not wanting to fix the problem? Cult leaders said it's racist for people to prove that they are who they say they are? It would be laughable if it wasn't so sickeningly, transparently stupid.
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By Viciouss 2020-05-29 10:39:03
Ah yes, the lolheritage foundation "database", which shows a little over 1000 cases dating back 40 years. I love the voter fraud conspiracy theory. It pops up every election just to fizzle out.
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By Shiva.Zerowone 2020-05-29 10:42:58
Ah yes, the lolheritage foundation "database", which shows a little over 1000 cases dating back 40 years. I love the voter fraud conspiracy theory. It pops up every election just to fizzle out.
What needs to be clarified and needs to stop being conflated is election fraud and voting fraud.
There has a been a metric *** ton of election fraud over the last decade in relative comparison to the very little amount of voter fraud.
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By Viciouss 2020-05-29 10:44:18
Ah yes, the lolheritage foundation "database", which shows a little over 1000 cases dating back 40 years. I love the voter fraud conspiracy theory. It pops up every election just to fizzle out.
What needs to be clarified and needs to stop being conflated is election fraud and voting fraud.
There has a been a metric *** ton of election fraud over the last decade in relative comparison to the very little amount of voter fraud.
It doesn't fit their narrative.
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By Valefor.Commodus 2020-05-29 11:50:05
Ah yes, the lolheritage foundation "database", which shows a little over 1000 cases dating back 40 years. I love the voter fraud conspiracy theory. It pops up every election just to fizzle out.
What needs to be clarified and needs to stop being conflated is election fraud and voting fraud.
There has a been a metric *** ton of election fraud over the last decade in relative comparison to the very little amount of voter fraud.
How do you not see that the two are connected? You can tamper with an election by tampering with the votes. Voter fraud is a part of election fraud. What is your argument for not fixing the system, since you admit that it's *** up? You people keep saying that fraud exists, but you're against fixing it because... cult leaders say racist?
You people are so brainwashed that, a lot of times, you state claims that logically lead to a logical conclusion, but then state the opposite conclusion because the opposite conclusion was fed to you by your cult leaders.
Voter fraud exists + election fraud exists = voter and election fraud are right-wing conspiracy!
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By Shiva.Zerowone 2020-05-29 11:56:27
There’s that narrative thing again.
You’re pretty angry.
You’ll probably even angrier when it’s pointed out that election fraud by an large has been committed in favor of the Republican Party.
Like the most recent one involving a mail carrier in West Virginia altering ballot requests from Democrat to Republican because “he wanted to prank Democrats”.
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Valefor.Commodus
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By Valefor.Commodus 2020-05-29 13:02:38
There’s that narrative thing again.
You’re pretty angry.
You’ll probably even angrier when it’s pointed out that election fraud by an large has been committed in favor of the Republican Party.
Like the most recent one involving a mail carrier in West Virginia altering ballot requests from Democrat to Republican because “he wanted to prank Democrats”.
You're obsessed with republicans vs democrats to the point that you cannot think straight. Let's pretend that the premise you've stated, that there's massive election fraud and that it's mostly in-favor of Republicans, is true (despite you providing zero evidence of this, as always). How about restricting absentee ballots to only military personnel serving out-of-state, and requiring voter ID? Is there any solution that you would support, or do you just want to scream that Republicans are bad because... cult leaders say so?
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Garuda.Chanti
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By Garuda.Chanti 2020-05-29 13:25:41
... Let's pretend that the premise you've stated, that there's massive election fraud and that it's mostly in-favor of Republicans, is true (despite you providing zero evidence of this, as always). How about restricting absentee ballots to only military personnel serving out-of-state, and requiring voter ID? Is there any solution that you would support, or do you just want to scream that Republicans are bad because... cult leaders say so? No one here save yourself believes in massive vote fraud.
But kicking hundreds of thousands of voters off the voting rolls is massive election fraud. This is republicans in action.
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By Shiva.Zerowone 2020-05-29 14:54:28
You're obsessed with republicans vs democrats
Are these not words form your posts
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You people are so brainwashed that, a lot of times, you state claims that logically lead to a logical conclusion, but then state the opposite conclusion because the opposite conclusion was fed to you by your cult leaders. or do you just want to scream that Republicans are bad because... cult leaders say so?
You seem pretty obsessed with red v blue paradigm. More so than you accuse others. You’ve escalated and associate Democrats to a cult.
That’s some mentally deranged level ***bruh.
Wasn’t this you too just last page?
I haven’t considered their background, age, work history, education level, mental state, etc. I’ve always just tried to proceed logically through whatever discussion is at hand. This is different from irl, where I can physically see that someone is a minor, or probably a mentally ill homeless person, or a screeching blue1haired man-hater, or some other type that you shouldn’t expect to be able to have a reasonable discussion with because they lack the mental capacity. I don’t reach that conclusion with someone until they repeatedly demonstrate a lack of mental capacity and good faith through their actions.
Your choice of vocabulary, for example the un ironic use of “NPCs” to refer to the left, your constant fixation on the left being a cult suggests there’s nothing about any of your questions you pose being in good faith.
You have a hostility in your posts that is adored by an other angry individual here who pretends to be a veteran of the armed forces (stolen valor, you know who you are). You guys should take your incel echo chamber *** to storefront or voat.
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Valefor.Commodus
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By Valefor.Commodus 2020-05-29 15:24:29
... Let's pretend that the premise you've stated, that there's massive election fraud and that it's mostly in-favor of Republicans, is true (despite you providing zero evidence of this, as always). How about restricting absentee ballots to only military personnel serving out-of-state, and requiring voter ID? Is there any solution that you would support, or do you just want to scream that Republicans are bad because... cult leaders say so? No one here save yourself believes in massive vote fraud.
But kicking hundreds of thousands of voters off the voting rolls is massive election fraud. This is republicans in action.
We've already established that voter and election fraud exist. That's not being debated, you're behind and confused. I'm asking what solution(s) to the problem you would support. You've provided a leftist talking point that is nonsensical. What you claim to be "fraud" literally does not meet the definition of fraud. What solution(s) to the problem would you support? Are you interested in solving any problems, or just complaining?
You're obsessed with republicans vs democrats
Your choice of vocabulary, for example the un ironic use of “NPCs” to refer to the left, your constant fixation on the left being a cult suggests there’s nothing about any of your questions you pose being in good faith.
You have a hostility in your posts that is adored by an other angry individual here who pretends to be a veteran of the armed forces (stolen valor, you know who you are). You guys should take your incel echo chamber *** to storefront or voat.
I don't care about either party. I'm coming from a non-party point of view and I'm looking for solutions to problems. I call out insanity where I see it. You're a rabid member of a group and you blindly follow whatever their leadership says, without question. That makes the group a cult and you a cult member.
I've never once pushed "Republican" propaganda, because I'm an independent thinker. I examine each problem and debate it on its own merits, not based on what some cultists demand everyone should think. I'm asking very simple, straightforward questions about how to approach solutions to problems that exist. Every response from you people is hyper-defensive, flippant, and dismissive. You don't want solutions, you just want to cry about how everything you don't like is the fault of someone who you're told is your enemy. So I'll ask you, again, what solution(s) to these problems that you agree exist would you support? Do you have any interest in solving any known problems, or do you just want to cry and be miserable your entire life? A lot of people just want to be miserable pieces of ***.
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By Carbuncle.Skulloneix 2020-05-29 15:39:38
There’s that narrative thing again.
You’re pretty angry.
You’ll probably even angrier when it’s pointed out that election fraud by an large has been committed in favor of the Republican Party.
Like the most recent one involving a mail carrier in West Virginia altering ballot requests from Democrat to Republican because “he wanted to prank Democrats”.
You're obsessed with republicans vs democrats to the point that you cannot think straight. Let's pretend that the premise you've stated, that there's massive election fraud and that it's mostly in-favor of Republicans, is true (despite you providing zero evidence of this, as always). How about restricting absentee ballots to only military personnel serving out-of-state, and requiring voter ID? Is there any solution that you would support, or do you just want to scream that Republicans are bad because... cult leaders say so?
Just wait for the underhanded slurs to be spewed out at your logical points without any repercussions.
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By Viciouss 2020-05-29 15:49:17
lol, what "logical points?" Why would we need to restrict absentee ballots at all? The US has been using mail in voting for decades, with next to no evidence of fraud being found. Trump has not once provided any evidence of ballot fraud despite his obsession with it. We don't need a solution for a microscopic problem. Hundreds of millions of ballots cast in the last 4 years, with the percentage of fraudulent cases being in the fractions.
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By Valefor.Commodus 2020-05-29 16:00:47
You just don't make any sense, and this is what I'm getting at. You guys claim that there has been voter and election fraud from Republicans, and your party lost the last election. That should logically lead you to want to fix any loopholes, regardless of size. So what is your argument for not fixing anything? You've been told to believe and repeat specific talking points, and you're blindly doing so without realizing that they don't make any sense considering the fact pattern that you, yourselves, have alleged.
leftists: "millions of guns sold commercially, relatively small number sold VIA 'gun show loophole,' relatively small number used to commit crime. WE HAVE TO CLOSE THE LOOPHOLE! BAN GUNS! REPUBLICANS AND THE NRA ARE MURDERING PEOPLE."
also leftists: "millions of legitimate ballots collected and counted, relatively small amount of fraud. CLOSING THE LOOPHOLES IS RACIST AND FRAUD. REPUBLICANS ARE BAD."
Do you see?
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By Carbuncle.Skulloneix 2020-05-29 16:08:06
You just don't make any sense, and this is what I'm getting at. You guys claim that there has been voter and election fraud from Republicans, and your party lost the last election. That should logically lead you to want to fix any loopholes, regardless of size. So what is your argument for not fixing anything? You've been told to believe and repeat specific talking points, and you're blindly doing so without realizing that they don't make any sense considering the fact pattern that you, yourselves, have alleged.
leftists: "millions of guns sold commercially, relatively small number sold VIA 'gun show loophole,' relatively small number used to commit crime. WE HAVE TO CLOSE THE LOOPHOLE! BAN GUNS! REPUBLICANS AND THE NRA ARE MURDERING PEOPLE."
also leftists: "millions of legitimate ballots collected and counted, relatively small amount of fraud. CLOSING THE LOOPHOLES IS RACIST AND FRAUD. REPUBLICANS ARE BAD."
Do you see? Good luck trying to lead these horses to water.
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By Viciouss 2020-05-29 16:14:17
You just don't make any sense, and this is what I'm getting at. You guys claim that there has been voter and election fraud from Republicans..
lol, I never claimed this. I know what kind of ballot fraud occurs, and its not partisan, nor is it impactful on elections. In 2018, when the Dems won 40 seats to retake the House, the only significant ballot fraud case happened in North Carolina, by a GOP operative. He didn't get away with it, he got caught and they had to redo the election. Allegations of massive fraud being committed in California were running rampant on this website by our resident alt-right trolls, but they never provided any evidence, because there wasn't any.
Right now, the only allegations of ballot fraud are being screamed out by Trump. Everyday, he screams that mail in voting is subject to "massive fraud." Yet, not once has he provided evidence. Because there isn't any. Absentee/mail in voting is not a problem in this country. We don't need any fixes or solutions.
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By Asura.Eiryl 2020-05-29 16:18:11
It's pretty simple in trump logic.
He can do literally anything and has, for his entire life, with zero consequences.
So, why wouldn't he think everyone else could steal and forge ballots and get away with it, just like he would.
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By Valefor.Commodus 2020-05-29 18:18:03
leftists: "Trump should have had better policy in place to handle a potential pandemic. He didn't, so all covid-related deaths are his fault. Trump is a murderer."
also leftists: "We must not implement better policy to handle potential mass voter and election fraud because. Trump is a racist."
Do you see?
leftists: "anyone buying a gun must pass strict background checks and provide multiple forms of government-issued ID."
also the left: "requiring any form of identification to vote is racist and election fraud."
Do you see?
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By Viciouss 2020-05-29 18:52:14
These projections are funny.
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By Shiva.Zerowone 2020-05-29 19:51:27
These projections are funny. It’s even funnier because he’s doing the madman with a projector descent into madness schtick a’la Red Dragon :
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Which was parodied in South Park:
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Yet they never figure out why they’re not taken seriously... it’s because they’re caricatures.
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By Valefor.Commodus 2020-05-29 19:54:16
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By Valefor.Commodus 2020-05-29 19:56:00
By Viciouss 2020-05-29 19:56:15
We have been seeing those kinds of shitposts where trolls make up our opinions for years now, no one cares.
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By Valefor.Commodus 2020-05-29 20:00:15
Which of those four statements does not reflect your actual beliefs?
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By Viciouss 2020-05-29 20:06:34
Goes without saying that none of those made up "statements" reflect any beliefs for anyone that posts here. Not even close.
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By Shiva.Zerowone 2020-05-29 20:15:15
Goes without saying that none of those made up "statements" reflect any beliefs for anyone that posts here. Not even close.
No?
But DO YOU SEE?
If they don’t reflect then the leftists must be VAMPIRES.
DO YOU SEE?
It’s a shame how the Internet has created isolated zeitgeists for the mentally unstable.
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