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By kireek 2019-10-28 13:53:58
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Chimerawizard said: »

woops wrong one.

I always find it funny when people demonize oil companies in a ridiculous ott fashion, especially when they own cars. Western society as we know it exists because of the mass supply and use of cheap oil due to their efforts. We have cheap oil because the companies work so hard to get new supplies and delivering mass quantities of oil to all parts of the country daily.

The entire western world and your life as you know it runs on oil, everything would grind to a halt if they stopped what they are doing and we would be on the level of a 3rd world country or in weeks without their efforts. I can't think of anything that wouldn't be impacted if oil prices doubled or become unavailable.

Low gas prices means you can use your car when you want as much as you want and have almost total freedom as an individual, be taken to a hospital of you're ill instead of only relying on your local doctors, you can travel in airplanes on holiday when this used to only be something the rich could do, have affordable food which has lifted most people in the west out of extreme poverty and starvation, have a large supply of different kinds of foods that aren't grown in your immediate vicinity available to you, have items delivered to you from amazon or to your local stores from the big cities.

If you hate them and have no car, grow your own food and never buy anything you can rightly say how much you hate them but otherwise you're being a bit hypocritical.

You may not like the oil business but it's directly linked to how nice your living standards are and why so few people in our nations are actually in real poverty.
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By Artsncrafts 2019-10-28 14:04:13
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they would charge you for air if they could, they brainwashed generations of people for more control over the price of said oil.

You could blame everything wrong with the world today on oil, but hey atleast we can see dinosaurs in museums now
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By Asura.Eiryl 2019-10-28 14:07:31
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Y'all need to watch the lorax.

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By Shichishito 2019-10-28 16:59:58
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befor you step outside and plant trees all over your garden to bless you and your neighbours with fresh air and lower air conditioning costs ask your neighbours wether they going to hate you cause your tree blocks the sun from their property and the foliage/seeds causes them trouble.
you'll maybe also want to carefully plan where and what to plant and check your local law cause there are countries that penalty charge you hefty fees for cutting a tree depending on the kind once it reached a certain circumference.
there might be other regulations like how close to the property border you are allowed to plant a tree...

speaking of reducing air conditioning costs, if a tree near a building helps cooling it in the summer, wouldn't it also block sun in the winter and therefore increase power consumption keep the building warm? wonder how much the benifit in the summer would even out in the winter in terms of cost saving and carbon footprint.
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By Asura.Eiryl 2019-10-28 19:08:04
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By Asura.Kingnobody 2019-10-29 09:08:31
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Shichishito said: »
befor you step outside and plant trees all over your garden to bless you and your neighbours with fresh air and lower air conditioning costs ask your neighbours wether they going to hate you cause your tree blocks the sun from their property and the foliage/seeds causes them trouble.
you'll maybe also want to carefully plan where and what to plant and check your local law cause there are countries that penalty charge you hefty fees for cutting a tree depending on the kind once it reached a certain circumference.
there might be other regulations like how close to the property border you are allowed to plant a tree...

speaking of reducing air conditioning costs, if a tree near a building helps cooling it in the summer, wouldn't it also block sun in the winter and therefore increase power consumption keep the building warm? wonder how much the benifit in the summer would even out in the winter in terms of cost saving and carbon footprint.
Or you could live out in the middle of nowhere and do whatever you want to do.
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By Asura.Eiryl 2019-10-29 22:06:02
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Elon gave a million dollars. Youtube said they would match a million. Half way in 4 days.

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By Shichishito 2019-10-29 23:49:20
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FAQ says they plant the trees all over the world on government owned and private properties. what would stop the owners of that property to cut and sell the trees once they have the right size for the market?

Asura.Kingnobody said: »
Or you could live out in the middle of nowhere and do whatever you want to do.
without any bureaucracy? sounds awesome.
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By Asura.Eiryl 2019-10-30 00:03:30
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Let's be honest, ALL of the trees will get cut down. Every single one of em. It's not like they do nothing in the mean time though.
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By Shichishito 2019-10-30 00:23:44
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ALL of the trees will get cut down. Every single one of em.
iono, to me the whole campaign draws a image of planting those trees for the sake of the environment, to filter/store cabon dioxide(?) till those trees eventually die a natural death.

if the plan is to cut them down in a few years to make furniture or fire wood out of them it imagine it would leave a bit of a bad taste in donators mouths.
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By Asura.Bixbite 2019-10-30 00:25:16
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Donated 5 dollah which is ..... 5 trees :O
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By Asura.Eiryl 2019-10-30 00:25:46
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The plan isn't to grow them TO be cut down, but they inevitably will be.

The way the world works. Trees (Everything) only exists to make money from. They just happen to make oxygen too.
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By Shichishito 2019-10-30 01:13:01
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there definitely have been campaigns in the past that ment to protect existing trees and maybe even combine reforesting + preserveing them.

they specifically mention in the FAQ that they only focus on planting, not preserving those trees. i don't know if it wouldn't be more beneficial for the environment to both plant and preserve them but that would cost more and inflated numbers like 20 million make better clickbait.
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By Asura.Eiryl 2019-10-30 01:14:37
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I mean duh. Clickbait/Shock and Awe etc.

It's kind of impossible to protect/preserve them. As soon as you look away they'll get chopped down. No one gives a *** about the law(s). They'll get a fine and not even bat an eyelash.
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By Shichishito 2019-10-30 01:27:15
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i get what you mean. its still a different premiss if the stuff you donated for is ought to be protected and there are repercussions if people get cought damaging it or if its owned by some government or private company that can do what ever they want.
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By kireek 2019-10-30 01:37:21
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Companies will get their positive advertising, mrbeast will make millions of dollars, people will feel good and then they will all lose interest. Then companies will come along and chop them down and we can start again in 5 years to plant 200million more trees.

Just look back for a moment at the ice bucket challenge, that was a massive craze and everyone was in on it. I bet you can't even remember what the charity was and nobody has done a damn thing for it since that ended.

It's all just nonsense with companies making money, getting good PR, politicians scoring points to get power and people getting a momentary high and likes on social media.

All these stupid social media campaigns never achieve anything long-term and worthwhile. They won't even actually plant 200 million trees and after people lose interest nobody will check if they even planed 1 million or if the money was siphoned off into some CEOs bank because nobody really cares.
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By Draylo 2019-10-30 03:26:57
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Yet all the sheeple will run to donate for a cause they do 0 research on. Gotta give props to these youtubers for their hustle.
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By Shichishito 2019-10-30 04:14:39
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By Asura.Kingnobody 2019-10-30 10:34:40
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kireek said: »
after people lose interest nobody will check if they even planed 1 million or if the money was siphoned off into some CEOs bank because nobody really cares.
Sounds like, well, every crowdfunded project ever.

Which is why I don't ever give any money to any crowdfunding "cause."

The money I give out is to established charities, both national and local. Because, you know, they do a whole hell of a lot more good than these little "projects."
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By Asura.Eiryl 2019-10-31 20:09:29
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Yo, if you don't want to give a dollar, updoot this and get a tree by proxy. (I don't know if he'll really donate 10 grand, but you get to feel good about it.)

https://www.reddit.com/r/TeamTrees/comments/dpt876/time_to_save_the_world/

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By Bismarck.Ihinaa 2019-10-31 20:45:37
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Reading through this thread, I have to say, and I know I'm borrowing a cliche here, but this cynicism and defeatism is why we can't have nice things.
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By Garuda.Chanti 2019-10-31 20:51:52
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I have 3/4 of an acre in N central WA. I have lots of trees but can't plant another one. I have tried, the deer destroy them.

The only damage my existing trees.

Deer = giant rats with antlers. Also yummy but I am not a poacher.
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By kireek 2019-11-01 06:03:58
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Bismarck.Ihinaa said: »
Reading through this thread, I have to say, and I know I'm borrowing a cliche here, but this cynicism and defeatism is why we can't have nice things.

We do have nice things though, we live in the time of nice things. 2019 is the best time in human history to be alive, even though some people try to say otherwise and the world is about to end or that things are so awful right now. It's just about pointing out the nonsense of some modern day western thinking really.

We are all in favor of doing things cleaner and cleaning up the environment, but you have to know when to stop on a national scale if it hurts people. This tree planting thing is nonsense, almost all the activists don't do things that actually matter anymore and there is nothing wrong with calling it out.

This fixation on saving the "planet" is a totally western one and activists only preach to the choir about it, almost the entire rest of the planet has zero interest in doing anything and instead just want to achieve the standard of living we have. So they are building more coal burning plants and polluting more every year to get there. As long as that is the case, nothing we do in the west has any real impact on anything globally (we just make our nations cleaner short term). If the USA and EU all banned all fossil fuel use totally and forced everyone to recycle (making everyones lives a misery in the process btw) and anything else you like it would have almost no real impact because the rest of the world would not do any of these things anyway and they are responsible for more pollution than we are.

If you really actually cared about the planet then activists would be pressuring western governments to force the rest of the world and mainly China to do something to actually lower their emissions via sanctions (we do have this power but we don't use it), they won't because they don't. Why isn't Greta Thumberg going to China or India? because they will laugh in her face so her parents just parade her in-front of the choir in America instead.

People (even working class people) have so much surplus income these days that they donate it to some dude talking about planting 20 trillion trees with drones on youtube or some other silly number, and we care so little about that money or the cause that we don't even demand they setup some system to guarantee they do what they say they are going to do. The charity could literally plant 20000 trees in a lumberyard off your donations that would be chopped down a few years later to make chairs and nobody would even know or care, there is zero supervision or accountability and nobody is asking for any. They just want to feel good for 5 mins.


Here is how we are in the place we are now btw:

3rd world populations are pretty static when we don't interfere, starvation is usually caused by a mass increase of populations (they have too many kids) during good times beyond what they can sustain in bad times. So, we decide to intervene and we donate and force our governments to send them tax money for food so nobody starves.

Ok great, we did our good dead and those people now have food, water and starvation is quickly becoming a thing of the past all across the world, so they have more children and we then feed those too. This leads to massive population increases that we directly caused.

Population increases continually at a dramatic pace in places with large forests, mass wildlife and barren land. Bigger populations need more land to live and thrive on. So they start cutting down trees to make space for housing, water collection, power creation and food production etc. Larger populations encroaching into the wild places means wild dangerous animals have to be controlled, so they kill the tigers and other dangerous animals.

Again, we are responsible for this population increase and the tree chopping and animal killing by our first actions.

"Oh wow the we have less trees now! the rainforest is being burned (the people there burn land to make it useable for farming) the rainforests are dying!! plant more trees! Save the tigers!"

Where are you going to plant these trees exactly? They were cut down for a reason and that reason was an increasing population that we are responsible for. So what do we do, displace that population or buy the land to keep it in western control and deny the indigenous people the right to chop them down for their needs? If you plant more trees, they will still be chopped down for the same reason the orignal ones were chopped down.

How are you going to save the tigers, let them eat all the extra people you helped bring into the world?

This happens even in the west, because people don't seem to use any logic to their emotional decisions. They want to "save the planet" even if it puts people out of work and destroys the economy but they don't want to force China and other nations to lower their emissions (which would have a big real impact) cause thats rude or something?

They want more mass immigration (this is a big deal in the EU) and so they accept millions of people from other places, then your governments start chopping down trees and building on green field areas because all these millions of new people need housing, shops etc so they then complain about them doing this when their original demands are the cause of it.

Then when you point all this nonsense out, people say you're being a downer. How about making smart decisions, doing things with more thought put into them instead of these emotional reactionary virtue signalling campaigns where people just throw money at a problem to feel good and end up causing more problems they will then have another emotional outburst about and try to fix by throwing more money at it?

The point isn't don't do anything, the point is do things that will have a real impact, knowing when the negatives outweigh what you're asking for and that we should always do things in a way that won't cause more problems in other ways.

If you like the idea of planting trees, go plant a tree or plants in your garden, plants in your window box, somewhere in your vicinity that can support one? Instead of giving money to some dude on youtube profiting from it so he can buy a ferrarri for his cat.
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By Asura.Outlawbruce 2019-11-01 10:35:12
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3 trillion trees in the world. At the rate we cut them down it would take 600 years to be rid of all trees. I could careless about what happens in that time. I wont be here.

We cut down like 3 billion to 5 billion a year.

Wtf is 20 mil gonna do? Lol. By the time they're full grown keep us occupied for a weeks worth of work to cut them down? Lol
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By fonewear 2019-11-02 17:13:36
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I plan on cutting down 20,000,000 trees for balance reasons.
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By fonewear 2019-11-02 17:18:51
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I'm simplify this discussion the world is fine...it's people who are ***.

Also future generations are going to destroy the Earth so all you are doing is delaying the inevitable.
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By fonewear 2019-11-02 17:20:06
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Reasons to not recycle

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By Bismarck.Josiahflaming 2019-11-02 17:40:39
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kireek said: »
Just look back for a moment at the ice bucket challenge, that was a massive craze and everyone was in on it. I bet you can't even remember what the charity was and nobody has done a damn thing for it since that ended.
The Ice Bucket Challenge helped scienctists discover a new gene tied to ALS

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By Asura.Eiryl 2019-11-07 19:55:17
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14,281,048 / 20,000,000

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