Random Politics & Religion #37: W/ Bubba The Love Sponge

Well we will never know if it did or didn't prove anything because we no one will see the full thing.

I wouldn't read the report if Mueller himself delivered it to me. A summary of the report is all you need to know.

I thought I had read that they had already taken the vote, I was incorrect.

Here is your crackpot answer. Because if he executes privilege, it holds up any future release or conclusion for months if not forever.

This is a looser of an issue for lefties, theres nothing in the report so anything that perpetuates the left continuing to make a big deal over nothing to appease their fringe base is a win for everyone else who isn’t part of the tin-foil hat fringe.

The full report has been made available to congress, congressmen have seen it, they just arent allowed to have it because of the classified/redacted material.

You’re parroting facts I don't like.

I thought congress and the public were only given the redacted version? Maybe I'm wrong there.

Should be obvious to just ignore nausi's version of alternative facts in regards to every single topic. Trump is doing his best to hide as much as he can, its been pretty amusing to watch them spin.

The way I see it is that the items contained in the report are classified for a reason. If the Left didn't have a track record of leaking anything and everything to the media whenever it has political benefit, then I could understand the concern behind not allowing them to reach the full report.

If it were me, I'd tell them to nominate one person and one person only and let that person read the unredacted report while under heavy supervision.

The problem with that? They'd never go for it. Why? Because it's not about what is actually in the report. It's about what they gain politically from it. Any suggestion that falls short of allowing it to "accidentally" fall into the hands of the media for full coverage is unacceptable.

Are we pretending the GOP doesn't leak anything and everything whenever they see a benefit? That was funny for a minute. But no, we aren't pretending that at all. That "argument" isn't remotely valid. We aren't blaming the Dems for Trump's obsession with hiding anything and everything he can from the public.

That, uh, almost made sense? I don't have a Vic-to-Reality translator handy, so I'm not sure.

Kinda like how we don't have a Rav-to-reality translator over here, and don't even bother with nausi's idiocy.

The judiciary committees did get to see the underacted version inside something called a Secure Communication Information Facility (SCIF). Those are the places where they store and process classified material, not Hillary's personal email server. Because the report contains Counter Intelligence (CI) information it's going to be classified TS/SCI CI meaning only people with a TS, an authorization for the CI compartment, and a verified need-to-know will be allowed to see it and they absolutely won't be allowed to carry any copies, notes, materials out with them nor will they be allowed to discuss the contents of the material who doesn't also meet those requirements.

I lived and breathed this for over fifteen years both during my service and as a DoD contractor afterward. The Democrats are demanding the FBI/DoJ/President break the law and most of you are too ignorant to realize it.

I haven't seen any evidence that the committees got to read the full report in a SCIF, and since Saevel never bothers to actually source his "expertise," there is no reason to believe him. As far we know, Congress hasn't been able to read the unredacted report.

I think it is released by law, then it isn't breaking the law. Regardless there may be some truth to that. My expert googling found at least one quote of a person saying it was located for reading in a SCIF.

We would know if Congress got to read the unredacted report, that's not information that would be kept secret. The SCIF is right there in the Capitol building. It hasn't happened, which is why Saevel couldn't source it.

You can't "release" classified material, that's stupendously illegal. Instead the material has to be declassified, which done properly is a long process where each line / paragraph (depending how it's structures) is combed through and either redacted or removed entirely. After this process is complete what you have left is scrubbed material of a lower classification then it's source. I've actually done this process myself, then later supervised others who did this and signed off on the final release form.

If you want to release raw classified material then you need to get the "classification authority" involved, which is the entity responsible for either classifying it directly or writing the policy that classifies it indirectly. In the case of "Counter Intelligence" then it's the Central Intelligence Agency (CIA) who writes the policy that says that all Counter Intelligence investigation materials are classified under the CI compartment. On all classified documents there is a header or footnote that says "Classified under <insert policy memo here, declassify on <insert expiration date or policy exception number here>" that's the people who are authorized to declassify it and the date / policy that determines when it automatically declassifies.

Neither the FBI nor the DOJ has the authority to declassify it, not even the DOD who's the 800 pound gorilla when it comes to classified information and actually generates most of the material. Now the President could unilaterally declassify anything at anytime by merely uttering the words, as the POTUS is the ultimate classification authority. That would probably piss off nearly the entire executive branch as it's rude as hell, but it's not illegal. This is also why it's impossible for a President to "leak" classified material.

So instead of demanding the US AG break federal law and release classified material, the Democrats should instead demand the classification authority declassify the material. Notice they aren't bringing in the director of the CIA and asking why material in the report is classified and demanding they immediately declassify it so that the report can be legally given to The Washington Post.

Executive Privilege Isn’t a Magic Wand to Protect Trump

The attorney general could have redacted parts of the Mueller report to protect presidential confidentiality. He didn’t, and now’s too late.
Bloomberg

TLDR: You can't stuff toothpaste back in the tube.

Some members have seen a "less redacted" version. None have seen the whole, unredacted, thing.

Trump defends tax tactics after NYT probe says he racked up more than $1 billion in losses: 'It was sport'

President Trump fires back at The New York Times over the newspaper's investigative report that said his tax figures from 1985 through 1994 showed staggering business losses of more than $1 billion.
"You always wanted to show losses for tax purposes....almost all real estate developers did – and often re-negotiate with banks, it was sport," Trump says in early morning tweets.
The Times also said Trump apparently lost more money than any other individual taxpayer in the U.S., based on its analysis of data the IRS has compiled on people earning large incomes.
CNBC

The refused and did not show. $ repubs showed to look at it no dems

The report contained everything except the CI info as Congress does not have Top Secret clearance. No Dems showed up to look at it. This entire thing is nothing more than a dog and pony show for dems to blow smoke up everyone's ***.

no dems showed to see report but 4 rebups did.

Sorry for typos in first link

What a fraud he is, no wonder he is doing his best to hide his taxes.

In other words, the report contained everything except what Trump is trying to hide, and no one fell for it.

Source for this claim?

Your very own link lol. Also, your link also proved Saevel completely wrong, but we already knew that.

Probably the important takeaway is that they couldn't actually discuss what was in the "less redacted" version. We also don't know what the "less redacted" means. It is pretty vague. Could be nothing or could be something, but the dems probably didn't show up because this offer really isn't much, mainly the last statement.

I can't believe how incredibly full of crap he is lately. I'm starting to think he actually believes it.

Some members of congress do, the ones on the Foreign Affairs committee and Armed Forces committee I know have access. They would stay out of it since they aren't on the Judiciary committee.

Also it's not just a TS, you need the authorization for the specific CI compartment. There are dozens of compartments and just becomes someone has access to one doesn't grant them access to the rest.

Awwwwww.

So as it turns out, this is completely false. Its hard to get through Saevel's long posts about nothing, in which he often cites his career that no one gives a ***about, but he makes it easy when he starts them off with a made up statement so we can just stop reading.

No one in Congress has gotten to read the full report.