Here's something I find amazing, professional lawyers not taking their own advice, which is never talk to the police. The 5th amendment, and every Supreme Court ruling ever, is very firm that nobody may be forced to provide testimony that could be used against them. All these "lying the police / obstruction" charges are exactly that, taking someone's testimony and twisting it to be used against them.
If when someone from the justice department "invites" you to an interview, the answer is always "no" or "not without complete and indefinite immunity". The later is never provided outside of very special circumstances so it's pretty much always no.
If a statement would be advantageous, you don't provide it verbally in a closed door interview. Instead it's provided through a lawyer after they've scrubbed it with all the require lawyer words.
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Investigator: Mr Saevel what was the color of your shirt June 8th 2016?
Saevel: Hmm I think it was Blue
Investigator: Well we have another person who said you were wearing red and we want to believe them, so your under arrest for lying.
Yes guys that's how it works. You don't need to actually lie, just the investigating agency has something somewhere that might suggest a different fact of the events in question.
Now here is how that works through a lawyer
Investigator: Mr Saevel what was the color of your shirt June 8th 2016?
Saevel's Lawyer: After discussing the question with Mr Saevel we have provided this public written responce that states
"Saevel in his best recollection believes he was wearing a blue shirt, though the time difference makes it difficult to remember exactly."
Those are the words that prevent a "lying" charge. And because your lawyer wrote it up, had it witnessed and presented it, it's impossible for the investigator to misrepresent or distort it. And never, ever, EVER, sit down in a room with an investigator of any sort, request all questions to be provided you in written format and for you to respond in kind.
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Nausi said: » ... Especially after a week of the “smirking while white” facts I don't like. If the MAGA kids actually were taught about Jesus in their Catholic school the whole thing wouldn't have happened. I view it as a failure of adult supervision. He wasn't a government worker.
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Asura.Saevel said: » Here's something I find amazing, professional lawyers not taking their own advice, which is never talk to the police. The 5th amendment, and every Supreme Court ruling ever, is very firm that nobody may be forced to provide testimony that could be used against them. All these "lying the police / obstruction" charges are exactly that, taking someone's testimony and twisting it to be used against them. If when someone from the justice department "invites" you to an interview, the answer is always "no" or "not without complete and indefinite immunity". The later is never provided outside of very special circumstances so it's pretty much always no. If a statement would be advantageous, you don't provide it verbally in a closed door interview. Instead it's provided through a lawyer after they've scrubbed it with all the require lawyer words. Ex Investigator: Mr Saevel what was the color of your shirt June 8th 2016? Saevel: Hmm I think it was Blue Investigator: Well we have another person who said you were wearing red and we want to believe them, so your under arrest for lying. Yes guys that's how it works. You don't need to actually lie, just the investigating agency has something somewhere that might suggest a different fact of the events in question. Now here is how that works through a lawyer Investigator: Mr Saevel what was the color of your shirt June 8th 2016? Saevel's Lawyer: After discussing the question with Mr Saevel we have provided this public written responce that states "Saevel in his best recollection believes he was wearing a blue shirt, though the time difference makes it difficult to remember exactly." Those are the words that prevent a "lying" charge. And because your lawyer wrote it up, had it witnessed and presented it, it's impossible for the investigator to misrepresent or distort it. And never, ever, EVER, sit down in a room with an investigator of any sort, request all questions to be provided you in written format and for you to respond in kind. Today we learned that somebody fancy's themselves as an expert criminal. Garuda.Chanti said: » Nausi said: » ... Especially after a week of the “smirking while white” facts I don't like. If the MAGA kids actually were taught about Jesus in their Catholic school the whole thing wouldn't have happened. I view it as a failure of adult supervision. He wasn't a government worker. Well..he was involved in politics as an campaign president and advisor to many including Nixon and Reagan. Interesting factoid relating to the subjects of said investigation: In 1977, at age 24, Stone won the presidency of the Young Republicans in a campaign managed by his friend Paul Manafort. birds of a feather. /popcorn. Just ask these guys
YouTube Video Placeholder YouTube Video Placeholder YouTube Video Placeholder YouTube Video Placeholder The list goes on and on, every lawyer or ex-police officer always says the same thing, never, EVER, talk to the police, it never helps and only can hurt. Then I guess, Trump and his indicted satellite associates (campaign advisors, and presidents) can't find good lawyers.
Quote: CNN said Friday that its reporters were not tipped off, they merely made an educated guess because Special Counsel Robert Mueller's grand jury does not typically meet on Thursdays, but they did this Thursday. The last time that happened, the meeting of the grand jury was followed by an indictment the following day, so CNN deduced that there might be one coming on Friday. The network parked cameras at the homes of several possible suspects, one of whom was Stone. From: https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/trump-responds-to-roger-stone-arrest-human-traffickers-are-treated-better/ar-BBSJpcJ Garuda.Chanti said: » Three weeks. I'll consider it a cave when they actually pass a long-term deal without wall funding.
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Educated? CNN?
Looks like dems are committing to the wall.
We shall see. Its a massive win for trump. He successfully negotiated the end of he shutdown amd got the dems to sign onto the wall.
If they don’t, back to the shutdown we go. Bad day for libs indeed, they completely caved. Quote: President Trump said Friday he will back a short-term funding bill to reopen the government that does not include funds to construct a wall along the southern border. "I am very proud to announce today that we have reached a deal to end the shutdown and re-open the federal government," Trump said. The president said he would sign a bill that would open the government for three weeks. In that period, he said, a bipartisan committee of House and Senate lawmakers will meet to develop a funding proposal for Homeland Security.... No wall. I bet there will be a commission formed to study "border security." Nausi said: » Its a massive win for trump. He successfully negotiated the end of he shutdown amd got the dems to sign onto the wall. If they don’t, back to the shutdown we go. Bad day for libs indeed, they completely caved. “Give me the wall in 3 weeks or I’ll shut down the government again” is a bad day for libs? OoooooooohK. Sounds like Trump caved. We’ll for certain in 3 week
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Dems signed onto the wall, if they go back on their word thats their disaster.
And if we do we’ll be right back here again in 3 weeks. Bad day for libs indeed. I'm all about bipartisan agreements, let the Dem's have a legitimate DACA law and faster immigration system for them. Let the Republicans have their wall and tighter border security.
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Oh and another one..
YouTube Video Placeholder Lol vic’s at it again.
President Trump reopens government - a good thing. Gives Dems three weeks to make a border security deal. Reasonable. If not, back to the shutdown we go. Advantage Trump today. Nausi said: » Looks like dems are committing to the wall. We shall see. This is a complete lie, lol. More importantly This is how we do it...it's Friday night and the government is feeling alright !
YouTube Video Placeholder I don’t doubt that everyone will spin this into “blumpf is done this time”, but that just the same mistake they’ve made for the last 3 years.
Dems signed onto the wall, if they don’t deliver, its on them. Ann Coulter is screaming, I guess Trump didn't clear his surrender with her. Haven't checked in on Rush Limbaugh yet, he might be having a heart attack. Trump got nothing today, what was his shutdown for? Dems have made it clear, no wall.
Viciouss said: » Ann Coulter is screaming, I guess Trump didn't clear his surrender with her. Haven't checked in on Rush Limbaugh yet, he might be having a heart attack. Trump got nothing today, what was his shutdown for? Dems have made it clear, no wall. Vic is walking through the spider webs...leave a message and he will call you back !
YouTube Video Placeholder I guess it was the airport delays that convinced Trump to cave, whatever works I guess.
Viciouss said: » Ann Coulter is screaming, I guess Trump didn't clear his surrender with her. Haven't checked in on Rush Limbaugh yet, he might be having a heart attack. Trump got nothing today, what was his shutdown for? Dems have made it clear, no wall. Nah, you don't know Rush apparently. He's a lot more measured with his reactions than someone like Coulter. He's usually a "wait and see" guy when it comes to Trump.
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