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Random Politics & Religion #36
 Garuda.Chanti
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By Garuda.Chanti 2018-12-22 11:47:39
More border agents, more technology, more immigration judges, more detention centers, those are all on the table, and are all way cheaper, safer, and way more reliable than a stupid wall that will never (and was never going to) be built. Its dead. How are they more reliable and safer? You can kill border guards and border guards can't be in every spot along the border at once.
As for cost, it would be interesting to see a financial breakdown. If a good wall was built it could last for 100 years, or until Mexicans are the majority in America and democratically vote to tear it down, whichever comes sooner. IDK, China's wall has lasted for well over 1,000 years and never did them much good. And in places in both the USA and Israel where there are border walls there are tunnels.
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By Garuda.Chanti 2018-12-22 11:48:47
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By Bahamut.Ravael 2018-12-22 12:12:36
More border agents, more technology, more immigration judges, more detention centers, those are all on the table, and are all way cheaper, safer, and way more reliable than a stupid wall that will never (and was never going to) be built. Its dead.
Because having all that AND a wall is just too crazy.
The only reasons libs don't want a wall are these:
1. They want more voters to come across the border.
2. Trump wants one.
Simple as that.
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By fonewear 2018-12-22 12:24:02
IDK, China's wall has lasted for well over 1,000 years and never did them much good. ? YouTube Video Placeholder
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By Zerowone 2018-12-22 12:25:15
IDK, China's wall has lasted for well over 1,000 years and never did them much good. China is overrun by Mexicans?
Although a useful deterrent against raids, at several points throughout its history the Great Wall failed to stop enemies, including in 1644 when the Manchu Qing marched through the gates of Shanhai Pass and replaced the most ardent of the wall-building dynasties, the Ming, as rulers of China.
In actuality the great wall didn’t stop a determined group.
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By Valefor.Endoq 2018-12-22 12:54:18
IDK, China's wall has lasted for well over 1,000 years and never did them much good. China is overrun by Mexicans?
Although a useful deterrent against raids, at several points throughout its history the Great Wall failed to stop enemies, including in 1644 when the Manchu Qing marched through the gates of Shanhai Pass and replaced the most ardent of the wall-building dynasties, the Ming, as rulers of China.
In actuality the great wall didn’t stop a determined group. And locks only keep honest people honest.
I don’t think the wall building nuts actually believe the wall to be the end all be all of ultimate defenses
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By Garuda.Chanti 2018-12-22 13:49:55
IDK, China's wall has lasted for well over 1,000 years and never did them much good. China is overrun by Mexicans? Although a useful deterrent against raids, at several points throughout its history the Great Wall failed to stop enemies, including in 1644 when the Manchu Qing marched through the gates of Shanhai Pass and replaced the most ardent of the wall-building dynasties, the Ming, as rulers of China.
In actuality the great wall didn’t stop a determined group. And locks only keep honest people honest.
I don’t think the wall building nuts actually believe the wall to be the end all be all of ultimate defenses You vastly overrate both the intelligence and knowledge base of the ardent Trumpettes.
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By Asura.Saevel 2018-12-22 14:18:04
That's the biggest reason, if they agree to that then they would be seen as weak and failing The Resistance.
By Nausi 2018-12-22 14:23:04
Libs trying to pretend like crazy that they haven’t shut down he government at christmas.
Wont work. Trumps base is stronger than ever. Wall here we come.
By Nausi 2018-12-22 14:25:10
If walls wont work then why are libs so terrified to spend what amounts to a tenth of 1% of the government budget on one?
Of course they work. Can you imagine being so scared of Trump that you’re driven to say walls don’t work?
By Nausi 2018-12-22 14:28:24
Schumer shutdown part 2 once again proves shutting the government down affects no one (because the government doesn’t really help anyone)
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By Valefor.Endoq 2018-12-22 14:35:31
IDK, China's wall has lasted for well over 1,000 years and never did them much good. China is overrun by Mexicans? Although a useful deterrent against raids, at several points throughout its history the Great Wall failed to stop enemies, including in 1644 when the Manchu Qing marched through the gates of Shanhai Pass and replaced the most ardent of the wall-building dynasties, the Ming, as rulers of China.
In actuality the great wall didn’t stop a determined group. And locks only keep honest people honest.
I don’t think the wall building nuts actually believe the wall to be the end all be all of ultimate defenses You vastly overrate both the intelligence and knowledge base of the ardent Trumpettes. What would you propose as a valid solution to the Mexican issue? what exactly is the “mexican issue”?
By Viciouss 2018-12-22 14:38:23
Libs trying to pretend like crazy that they haven’t shut down he government at christmas.
Wont work. Trumps base is stronger than ever. Wall here we come.
Lol, how? How is the wall gonna get funded?
By Viciouss 2018-12-22 14:46:08
Dems take over on Jan 3, Speaker Pelosi will immediately pass a bill to end the Trump shutdown with no wall funding. It will be up to the Senate to send it to Trump, The "trump base" cant do anything to the Democrats.
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By Valefor.Endoq 2018-12-22 14:49:51
IDK, China's wall has lasted for well over 1,000 years and never did them much good. China is overrun by Mexicans? Although a useful deterrent against raids, at several points throughout its history the Great Wall failed to stop enemies, including in 1644 when the Manchu Qing marched through the gates of Shanhai Pass and replaced the most ardent of the wall-building dynasties, the Ming, as rulers of China.
In actuality the great wall didn’t stop a determined group. And locks only keep honest people honest.
I don’t think the wall building nuts actually believe the wall to be the end all be all of ultimate defenses You vastly overrate both the intelligence and knowledge base of the ardent Trumpettes. What would you propose as a valid solution to the Mexican issue? what exactly is the “mexican issue”? The issue of Mexicans. Brown man bad?
By Nausi 2018-12-22 14:55:09
Dems take over on Jan 3, Speaker Pelosi will immediately pass a bill to end the Trump shutdown with no wall funding. It will be up to the Senate to send it to Trump, The "trump base" cant do anything to the Democrats. We already hve a bill in the senate. Passing another one in the house doesn’t mean ***.
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By Valefor.Endoq 2018-12-22 14:59:45
How did you get to race baiting from an issue about violent drug cartels? How does race relate to illegal entry of a sovereign territory? drug cartel is not a “issue of mexicans” as you put it. maybe you should follow the money
By Viciouss 2018-12-22 15:00:42
Dems take over on Jan 3, Speaker Pelosi will immediately pass a bill to end the Trump shutdown with no wall funding. It will be up to the Senate to send it to Trump, The "trump base" cant do anything to the Democrats. We already hve a bill in the senate. Passing another one in the house doesn’t mean ***.
Lol, that bill expires on Jan 3rd when the 115th Congress comes to an end. It will never pass the Senate. Speaker Pelosi will pass a new bill.
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By Garuda.Chanti 2018-12-22 15:07:17
IDK, China's wall has lasted for well over 1,000 years and never did them much good. China is overrun by Mexicans? Although a useful deterrent against raids, at several points throughout its history the Great Wall failed to stop enemies, including in 1644 when the Manchu Qing marched through the gates of Shanhai Pass and replaced the most ardent of the wall-building dynasties, the Ming, as rulers of China.
In actuality the great wall didn’t stop a determined group. And locks only keep honest people honest.
I don’t think the wall building nuts actually believe the wall to be the end all be all of ultimate defenses You vastly overrate both the intelligence and knowledge base of the ardent Trumpettes. What would you propose as a valid solution to the Mexican issue? Decriminalizing all drugs.
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By Garuda.Chanti 2018-12-22 15:10:24
How did you get to race baiting from an issue about violent drug cartels? How does race relate to illegal entry of a sovereign territory? Because the "Mexican issue" is a drug cartel issue.
The migrant caravan, which hasn't been mentioned by the right wing media since the election, is a Central American issue.
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By Nausi 2018-12-22 15:18:21
Democrats are so committed to their open borders agenda that they shut the government down days before Christmas rather than protect our border from crime, human trafficking, and drugs.
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By Bahamut.Ravael 2018-12-22 15:23:40
Dems take over on Jan 3, Speaker Pelosi will immediately pass a bill to end the Trump shutdown with no wall funding. It will be up to the Senate to send it to Trump, The "trump base" cant do anything to the Democrats. We already hve a bill in the senate. Passing another one in the house doesn’t mean ***.
Lol, that bill expires on Jan 3rd when the 115th Congress comes to an end. It will never pass the Senate. Speaker Pelosi will pass a new bill.
And the new Senate will pass Pelosi's bill? Why would they do that?
By Viciouss 2018-12-22 15:42:00
Dems take over on Jan 3, Speaker Pelosi will immediately pass a bill to end the Trump shutdown with no wall funding. It will be up to the Senate to send it to Trump, The "trump base" cant do anything to the Democrats. We already hve a bill in the senate. Passing another one in the house doesn’t mean ***.
Lol, that bill expires on Jan 3rd when the 115th Congress comes to an end. It will never pass the Senate. Speaker Pelosi will pass a new bill.
And the new Senate will pass Pelosi's bill? Why would they do that?
To open the government, obviously. The Senate GOP wants no part of this Trump shutdown, they passed the clean CR with unanimous voice vote. They know the wall is dead. The only reason the govt is closed is Trump. They had a deal in place.
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By Garuda.Chanti 2018-12-22 16:30:30
And the new Senate will pass Pelosi's bill? Why would they do that? To open the government, obviously. The Senate GOP wants no part of this Trump shutdown, they passed the clean CR with unanimous voice vote. They know the wall is dead. The only reason the govt is closed is Trump. They had a deal in place. Everything was fine until a combination of Fox and the troglodyte "freedom" caucus killed it.
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By Valefor.Endoq 2018-12-22 17:10:08
absolutely lol
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