Which Is Best Hand To Make SAM TP?
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which is best hand to make SAM TP?
Dusk Gloves or Hachiman Kote!
Depends on what you use to get 6hit.
Dracondria said: Depends on what you use to get 5hit. Fixed... Dasva said: Dracondria said: Depends on what you use to get 5hit. Fixed... Lrntosam, because for Polearm 5hit the answer is basically always Hachi unless you have Usukane. Rumaha said: Dasva said: Dracondria said: Depends on what you use to get 5hit. Fixed... Lrntosam, because for Polearm 5hit the answer is basically always Hachi unless you have Usukane. Why? Sam can 5hit solo I have seen it. And calculated it. Also seen same sam 3step light with only meditate and sekka. Maybe should learn your own job better? inb4mysamisbetterthenyours
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Dasva said: Rumaha said: Dasva said: Dracondria said: Depends on what you use to get 5hit. Fixed... Lrntosam, because for Polearm 5hit the answer is basically always Hachi unless you have Usukane. Why? Sam can 5hit solo I have seen it. And calculated it. Also seen same sam 3step light with only meditate and sekka. Maybe should learn your own job better? Have to be /drg, or be in campaign to 5hit Gkt, as it takes somewhere near +56 w/ merits or somtething. Edit** Or have Futsuno. Dasva said: Why? Sam can 5hit solo I have seen it. And calculated it. Also seen same sam 3step light with only meditate and sekka. Maybe should learn your own job better? The only way you'll ever get a 5-hit build with GK is if: A)You have Amanomurakumo. B)You have Futsuno Mitama. C)You have Pachipachio. D)You have Sukesada (Lol) E)You're using Ito. F)You have no idea about the fundamentals of SAM, or for that matter any DD. Rumaha said: Dasva said: Rumaha said: Dasva said: Dracondria said: Depends on what you use to get 5hit. Fixed... Lrntosam, because for Polearm 5hit the answer is basically always Hachi unless you have Usukane. Why? Sam can 5hit solo I have seen it. And calculated it. Also seen same sam 3step light with only meditate and sekka. Maybe should learn your own job better? Have to be /drg, or be in campaign to 5hit Gkt, as it takes somewhere near +56 w/ merits or somtething. Edit** Or have Futsuno. or have the ZNM cerb gkt. Also I did the math once. Under perfect conditions something like 130+ store tp is possible Enternius said: Dasva said: Why? Sam can 5hit solo I have seen it. And calculated it. Also seen same sam 3step light with only meditate and sekka. Maybe should learn your own job better? The only way you'll ever get a 5-hit build with GK is if: A)You have Amanomurakumo. B)You have Futsuno Mitama. C)You have Pachipachio. D)You have Sukesada (Lol) E)You're using Ito. F)You have no idea about the fundamentals of SAM, or for that matter any DD. Or be having a cor in pt. Or having latents. Or food. Seriously I did the math once. Though very hard to put together with super store tp a sam could get like 44% per hit with a relic bow and random arrows. And yes I mean the 999 delay relic bow Garudagt said: Dusk Gloves or Hachiman Kote! Show us your gear, And yes Papichio, but lower Acc ;o Even then you dont swing fast enough more then likely. Dasva said: Enternius said: Dasva said: Why? Sam can 5hit solo I have seen it. And calculated it. Also seen same sam 3step light with only meditate and sekka. Maybe should learn your own job better? The only way you'll ever get a 5-hit build with GK is if: A)You have Amanomurakumo. B)You have Futsuno Mitama. C)You have Pachipachio. D)You have Sukesada (Lol) E)You're using Ito. F)You have no idea about the fundamentals of SAM, or for that matter any DD. Or be having a cor in pt. Or having latents. Or food. Seriously I did the math once. Though very hard to put together with super store tp a sam could get like 44% per hit with a relic bow and random arrows. And yes I mean the 999 delay relic bow Yea brb going to solo light w/ a COR in my pt and calling it solo. Edit** And rindo, but your still doing it wrong. And yes, 5 hit w/ Cor is *** amazing.
Rumaha said: And yes, 5 hit w/ Cor is *** amazing. Ever had a 4-hit with Polearm? It's even better lol. No this guy did solo light with pachi and I was only person in his pt as a blm. Was pretty cool. Also quick check shows 49 store tp is possible from just gear if in salvage with water effect on... yeah I know. 50 from cor on a 11. 25 from trait 10 from merits 7 from food.... so 141 possible.
So, on topic, as mentioned it depends what gear you currently have as well as your merits and being @75 for max natural StoreTP, being +35. For a 6-hit with a 450 delay GK, which is the most common of builds, you need an additional 11 STP to make 6-hits, for a total of +46 between all 6 hits, including strikes and WS.
If you have Brutal, Usukane feet and Rajas, it's pretty cut and dry to use Dusk Hands. If not you have more specific gear considerations. Either way, add up what you have into FFXI Calculator and see where you stand: http://www.ffxicalculator.com/ Enternius said: Rumaha said: And yes, 5 hit w/ Cor is *** amazing. Ever had a 4-hit with Polearm? It's even better lol. I didn't try it, I was busy*** my pant's from 5 hit Gkt :x dusk gloves. Too many alternatives to a 6hit to give up 3% haste.
Edit: Also, sam roll is generally a waste of a roll.
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Vegetto said: dusk gloves. Too many alternatives to a 6hit to give up 3% haste. Edit: Also, sam roll is generally a waste of a roll. It's hella fun though, Get a rose strap, then Dusk gloves is easier to get in w/o Usukane. Edit** Rose Rajas Brutal then use Ecphoria Ring, +4 +5 +1 +1 pretty nice wtg God I love forum. there is like 1 post to this point that actually answers the question. I was really excited to see this debate start "actually, my sam...no actually my sam..." I love you guys
Oh yeah my math is old and didnt take rose strap into consideration... can actually get higher then lol.
Ludoggy said: inb4mysamisbetterthenyours Look up info on a 6-Hit set up. If Hachiman Kote will get you that with only changing it then sure that's best but, if not/until you can, get it use Dusk Gloves. Vegetto said: dusk gloves. Too many alternatives to a 6hit to give up 3% haste. Edit: Also, sam roll is generally a waste of a roll. Thought I was the only one that didnt really like that roll. (Hides from comment in previous comment about not answering..)
Ahligieri said: Vegetto said: dusk gloves. Too many alternatives to a 6hit to give up 3% haste. Edit: Also, sam roll is generally a waste of a roll. Thought I was the only one that didnt really like that roll. Idk something about a potential AOE +50 store tp just seems nifty
Chaos Roll + Corsair's roll prz
If you have like 3 good SAMs in your party, and they all go from a 6 hit to a 5 hit using your rolls, and you don't have a DRK, I'd probably take the Samurai Roll because that's a 20% boost in WS frequency (25% if they're using Polearms) and that's more than an un-DRK'd Chaos would do.
Ahligieri said: Vegetto said: dusk gloves. Too many alternatives to a 6hit to give up 3% haste. Edit: Also, sam roll is generally a waste of a roll. Thought I was the only one that didnt really like that roll. Nope, seriously uneven benefits from that roll. Rather get Fighter's if I'm getting a second combat roll. If you have Rose Strap and Rajas, Rose/Rajas/Ecphoria with full STP merits is your best pre-Usukane TP setup. 3% Haste > 2% DA Enternius said: If you have like 3 good SAMs in your party, and they all go from a 6 hit to a 5 hit using your rolls, and you don't have a DRK, I'd probably take the Samurai Roll because that's a 20% boost in WS frequency (25% if they're using Polearms) and that's more than an un-DRK'd Chaos would do. Only agree because Y/G/K gets a huge attack bonus for GKT, otherwise for polearm, better off with chaos roll. |
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