Iroha Fight Event

I see Carol 1 being used for stuff, does Carol 2 have some drawback to it to not use over Carol 1?

SV fire Carol with all carol equipment gives 304 fire resist. (doubled from 152)

SV fire Carol II With all carol equipment gives 100 fire resist (no change from non-SV) and 40% nullification of fire damage (doubled from approx. 20%)

Nullification is situationally useful, whereas huge resist values are fantastic for resisting damage as well as resisting debuffs in most situations.

Just in case anyone wanted to watch ):

Can't really confirm, but it looks like Iroha II has more DT if you kill all the adds first. In the JP video, their WSs spike up to 20k, but ours pretty much never go over 10k for physical WSs.

Just FYI since I didn't see anyone post this: Tarumarurus blog has NM stats listed.

1st Iroha:
1200 acc, geo potency- 50%, pdt- 50%, mdt-25%, 1.8 million hp, mdef 220.

2nd Iroha:
1600 acc, geo potency-, pdt mdt- same as 1st. 6 million hp, mdef 320.

Rest of the adds stat listed in a chart:



From first row to last: acc requirement, PDT- %, MDT- %, Geomancy potency- %.

From left colume to right: lion, prishe, nashmeira, lilisette, arciela.

Nice fight. Was there a reason your bard was using sword madrigal instead of blade towards the end?

I think that was a mistake. She might have been nervous or tired, it was getting really late at that point. I kept calling Nashmeira Nashmau during that run -.-

Iroha's second form took 16 mins with RUN WAR COR WHM SMN BRD. As shown on the JP video, Tomahawk removes a good chunk of her DT which drastically speed up the fight.

EA+Scherzo with no MDT/Shell is another effective way to deal with her AoEs. They become so strong that EA/Scherzo proc every time on DDs, reducing damage taken to almost nothing.
Pacifying Ruby is also useful to prevent DDs from taking aggro, otherwise I think it's inevitable they drag Iroha's attention after a while.

Aside of Amatsu: Fuga and Kyori none of her TP moves remove shadows. RUN/NIN can easily keep utsu up to absorb Fire VI and there is still EA/Scherzo if the spell lands unresisted.
The adds couldn't act at all while doing Shock Squall > Thunderspark right before Horde Lullaby.

We finally got everyone together and beat this tonight. Good riddance, I did not like this fight as much as the original master trials lol.

Cleared it tonight. Asura. WAR, COR, RUN, SMN, BRD, WHM. Can confirm that planning around EA+Scherzo works nicely. DD's don't turtle up, don't use shell, etc. in order to trigger EA/scherzo procs as much as possible.

Congrats on the clear. Not many total have this clear, so it's nice to see more people get it.
I do apologise for some info on BG cos I was the one who edited most of that page and I couldn't remember everything in that fight so parts were missing.

Arigato, gomabseubnida, warmest thank you Shiraj-san for helping to provide any info on the Iroha Onna-bugeisha Master Trial.

This is what the FFXI community was like 17 years ago with Japanese and a few English speakers pooling our experiences together on various blogs and forums to solve whatever challenges the developers threw at the burgeoning young FFXI community.

Keep sharing so everyone can accomplish fun times crushing end game content.

/smile

I actually really want to try RDM in this fight. When I beat this no one in our group had a viable end game ready RDM let alone a RDM ready for arguably the hardest fight in the game so we never took one. I've recently started gearing RDM and once I feel like I am ready for it I definitely wanna give this a go.

Did you guys find any new info out which may help people? I'm 100% rusty and not as aware of this fight's mechanics as I once was when I went on RUN, so gonna need a refresh on knowledge lol.
It literally has been 299 days since I done this as the necro bump said lol. My memory is jagged from that long.

Would you try Rune tank again? I found RUN easier to survive than PLD, but possibly just because of gear difference between my PLD and RUN, idk.
But having a RUN tank you could also implement Gambit/Rayke to your arsenal and improve Leaden salute damage.

One thing that did help me on RUN was timing. I timed almost every utsusemi perfectly to survive any Fire 6 magic burst coming my way. Sometimes I slipped, bound to happen, but if I did I had Unda x3 Vallation/Valiance up and that itself stopped me dying from Magic bursts if I was in correct set.
The Fire 6 MBs would hit like 2k maximum in tank set, but midcast set sometimes 3k, pushing 4-5k depending on the set.

I did actually choose to tank with Aettir over Epeolatry for this fight as well just for that extra Magic evasion.

hate issues aren't a tradeoff, haven't tried PLD on it so i couldn't tell you if it's better or not, but PLD is not in the same league as RUN for hate generation

definitely agree that if aegis makes MB reliably survivable, it's the safer option

I honestly reduced my Fast Cast set to roughly 50% FC and decided to add more HP/DT into it to help with HP dip when switching. And when I was casting Utsusemi I was casting in my Magic evasion set as midcast which actually helped so well.

Also I believe Papesse had a 15-16 minute clear? Have to check if i'm wrong, but yeah skipping adds, you can easily clear really fast. What I've learned from my bajillion master trial attempts is that once you clear it once you learn and figure more stuff out if you do the same fight again, this helps improve win time a lot if you make even the slightest improvements.

I agree 100% that in normal situations Run and PLD are not in the same league. That said, the strat we used wouldn't allow the tank to ws freely, in the pics you can see that I used 2 Atonements in 25 mins. They were using a specific SC to maximize dmg, not saying a RUN couldn't be a part of it but in the event they could not WS then PLD without question has the better hate generation. PLD has access to much more enmity in gear and the same recast on spells, foil would be the only tool RUN has the advantage with and with all the resets PLDs CD's make up for it easy.

Foil is 1/4 the recast of reprisal, and all of RUN's wards and effusions grant substantial hate. Even without damage, they are not close. Differences in enmity gear mean very little (110 vs 130 gear enm is really 240% vs 260% after crusade and base level.. a 1/12 difference).

PLD's biggest advantage(in this and anywhere else) is that it can keep substantial enmity+ while never dropping any DT.

100% RUN is full tank mode in this fight. I tried hybrid tanking and it did not work, 1 mis-timed WS and you go bye bye. Safer to stay tank. But RUN could also provide one for all as extra safety measure for the party.

These are fighting words in a thread Shiraj is involved in :D

Grats on your clear. Glad to see people still attempting it in 2019.

Lol

Sorry for going on a tangent as I know this isn't the core of your point, but the above really isn't true. RUN can out-hate a PLD without ever drawing their weapon.

Now, a lot of the modern "lookatme!" RUNs would loath to admit this is true, and would claim there's no drawback to a tank DDing because they love jerking their meat to the tune of Dimi/Reso spam, but it is true.

Mmmmm How I miss being 17 and trying to exp back in 2004. Oh wait, nope I'm good. lol

Gambit/Rayke might also help elevate Crocea RDM enspell damage high enough to top WAR in total damage as well as enhance Leaden Salute.

Regarding Hate Control:
The way DN cleared this, hate control was only an issue between the tank and the war.

WAR physical damage was the only damage able to generate enough enmity to pull hate off the tank every so often. WAR at least can do some tanking if necessary as long as he is not caught in a WS set.

The DD BRD's physical damage was low enough not to ever take hate from the tank even when the WAR died once.

The white damage from the RDM with enspells is based on elemental magic...little enmity generation.

Leaden Salute is also elemental magic...little enmity generation. The COR could have done a bit more damage with Naegling-Attakos SB, but would have also generated more hate.

We had hate and damage managed appropriately whether we had a RUN or a PLD tank. It's more of an issue of which tanks are available when doing stuff. RUN vs. PLD is moot.

More like:

• puppy needs to go outside

• oh pizza delivery is here brb

• sorry Comcast is bottlenecking my connection again

• my taru is too short and on the verge of an epilitic seizure from being in the center of the light SC-radiance

While perfect play is something you can work on to challenge yourself, having fun with a group of people you work well with trumps perfect play. The way a group handles bumps in the road makes the journey worthwhile to do over.

We can certainly trim off kill time with minor tweaks. We can also factor in tolerence levels in getting clears for lesser geared people and other DD combinations.