Random Politics & Religion #32

What move? I kinda agreed with you about how stupid the Republicans were about Obama's birth certificate.

Benghazi was a real thing, Democrats made some stupid calls and instead of being upfront they tried to hide that ***.

The emails were another real thing. I know your not really listening but people actually go to jail for what Hillary did. Unlike you I lived and breathed that world and know the regulations and laws front to back, what Hillary Clinton did was extremely illegal. At the minimum it was gross negligence with national security, something that would initiate a lifetime bar from ever accessing any classified material.

The only reason Hillary Clinton got away with that *** is that Democrats in the government shielded her. The FBI agents doing the investigation were Democrats and actively rewrote documentation to deflate her actions. We know this because they made emails and texts about it and those were "recovered" from "lost" government phones.

I've said it before but just for posture I'll say it again, not that you'll bother to read it.

When you are granted access to material part of the process is to be "read on". That involves a small class where the security officer briefs the individual on their soon-to-be acquired responsibilities involving the safe guarding of all material they will have access to or come across. It tells them what they should do, what they shouldn't do, and advises them to contact their FSO (Field Security Officer) or SSO (Site Security Officer) if any questions arise. Part of that briefing says in no uncertain terms that all protected material can only be processed and stored on a government owned certified information processing system. When that briefing is finished there is a piece of paper the person signs that states they have received the briefing and understand all the policies, regulations and laws they are now answerable to. People have lost clearances for transporting an ANCD-10 in the trunk of their personally owned vehicle instead of a government owned vehicle. There is a long list of stupid lieutenants who decided it would be more convenient for them to ride back to base from a field exercise with said ANCD in their gear and as a result lost their commission.

So it's absolutely impossible for anyone to say she didn't break the law by transporting and processing classified material on a personally owned email server. The only angle that could possible be used was that she was so incompetent that she didn't understand that briefing nor the document she was signing.

That is what cost her the election by the way. Not the act of improperly storing the material but the absolute arrogance of the belief that she was above the law because she was Hillary Clinton. That democrats, like yourself, would defend that arrogance and agree that she was above the law because her name was Hillary Clinton. That the policies, regulations and laws that apply to every other person in the USA, simply do not apply to her because her name was Hillary Clinton. That achieving her cause was more important then the law and thus the law was just not applicable to her.

We have never had a WH with this much drama coming from the actual inner workings before. Most of the time its a Cabinet member under fire, but this is a WH that in its first year lost what, 20+ senior staffers? That's being generous, its probably more than that. And all of them left via scandal, that's the problem. It seems like half of them still don't have security clearance because of some legit investigation going on, a lot of them failed to divest their income, others failed to report conflicts of interest, its been over a year and they still cannot get all of their ducks in a row. That's not even addressing all of the very real problems with the Cabinet.

It seems like the possible denuclearization of NK has finally sent a wake up call that the bad apples need to get out. That said there is nothing wrong with McMaster, he just looked at the intel and told the truth about Russia, and Trump got all upset about it. But all signs indicate more upheaval is on the way.

This.

And what exactly is the problem with a lot of movement in the cabinet? How does any of this affect you personally?

This is honestly the stupidest question I've read all day. It doesn't affect us personally, it shows us that our government is unstable, it's a symptom to a problem.

Its just more deflection.

It's been unstable for decades. Why do you only care now?

Your inability to answer a simple question does not make it deflection.

First of all, I made a point to state this:
So I like how you cherry picked my post to address something I wasn't even addressing. But yes, we get it, you don't want to talk about Trump's failures, you would rather focus on the past administrations, which have no relevance to Trump's failures.

In other news, they are saying the VA secretary will be the next to leave, which isn't really surprising, no one can fix the VA.

Ah it didn't paste correctly, I meant to past my quote of "That's not even addressing the Cabinet." Meh.

Yes, let's ignore the failures of the last administration and focus on this one. That's surely what you did when complaining about Bush for the entirety of Obama's presidency.

But as far as Trump's term goes, let's stick with what's tangible, and by tangible I mean things that actually affect the average American. My tax rate is lower. My 401k and IRA are going gangbusters. Unemployment is down. Economic growth is way better than it has been in the past eight years. We're on the verge of breakthroughs with North Korea and the Taliban.

What exactly should I be mad about with Trump's presidency? How are his "failures" affecting me negatively?

If your 401k and IRA just started going gangbusters I feel bad for you, mine have been on the rise since 2011-ish. Obama left a great economy and low unemployment behind and Trump has rode that wave, but now its under direct threat from his stupid tariffs that no one wants. And don't get your hopes up about NK, even Trump knows to be skeptical.

Misinformation... but that’s not our only problem with Russia as we are pretty much diametrically opposed with them on just about everything... everything going n in the Ukraine and Syria right now... Russia is basically on the other side of whatever we do and it’s not to our benefit... personally o feel we’re giving up too much ground to them in the Middle East under the trump presidency...

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You know what, I'm going to spare picking apart your bullcrap statements here and ask the question again.

What has Trump done that has affected me personally that I should be upset about?

Apparently Trump is under the impression that we are going to Mars and its only because he won the election. I would say that, conservatively, we are 20+ years from putting a man on Mars. I'm not even convinced the first human to walk on Mars will be an American.

There is nothing to pick apart, I know it upsets you but Obama's permanent legacy is leaving behind a strong economy and low unemployment. He brought us close to full employment, sure Trump has nudged us closer but he will never add the amount of jobs Obama did.

And once again, you should be worried about those tariffs, Trump is lying to the entire world about them. Trade wars are not good, they are not "easy to win," they cause job losses, stock market losses, and economic slowdowns.

"Obama's permanent legacy." HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA! Hoo boy. Good one.


So, after a year of pure vitriol, I'm supposed to be mad about something that hasn't happened yet, where the potential results are purely speculation. Give me something else.

Like I said, its funny that it upsets you so much. Kinda like how Bush's permanent legacy is the Great Recession and the Iraq War. Poor guy still lives in complete exile.

Duane Trump:

No, don't skirt this. I'm not letting this go. There's a whole group of you in here who have done nothing but moan and complain about Trump nonstop since he came down that escalator. What the frick am I supposed to be mad about?

So far, Fone is answering my question better than anyone else. That's sad. Awesome, but sad.

I like how you try to dismiss documented tariff consequences as "speculation." That was cute.

THEY HAVEN'T HAPPENED YET. NOBODY KNOWS WHAT FORM THEY WILL TAKE. THIS IS WHERE "SPECULATION" COMES IN. ANSWER MY MAIN QUESTION. STOP DEFLECTING. WHY DO I SUDDENLY SOUND LIKE FUJIN.

INACCURATE

(Fujin speaks in one word sentences, not just all caps.)

Nope, it shows that President Trump is willing to do what all previous Presidents weren't, appoint his own people and run his own office. Both President Obama and President Bush were little more then puppets who did whatever their parties leadership told them to do. That is what got us in this mess, which started long before President Bush was elected, party officials picking who got to be varying positions of power and the sitting President just rubber stamping the paper.

That is what makes this Presidency so chaotic, it's a President being an actual President instead of a sock puppet for their party. Furthermore this is exactly why President Trump got elected in the first place, those voting for him did not want the same kind of complacent puppet President that had previously been in office. The ones who sacrificed their freedom for political office. President Trump is not a Republican, he doesn't follow their party agenda and isn't beholden to do what they tell him to do. His personal success or failure isn't tied to maintaining secret connections to power players in a political party.

I'm curious as to why the GOP spent 10m on a election for a seat that isn't going to exist next year, but also saw Trump invest heavily in keeping the seat.