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By Asura.Saevel 2018-02-28 20:06:50
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It should also be noted that Hope Hicks has no class whatsoever, as she is the one that drafted the statements defending Rob Porter and his domestic violence, urging the entire WH to sing his praises as the photos circulated. She should have resigned then, it had to take her being caught lying for her to go.

And LOL at the Trump agenda, nothing is getting done, he cut taxes for the wealthy and increased military spending, sending the deficits soaring. That's it. Nothing else will be passed this year. DACA is here to stay, he messed that up completely, immigration reform will never get through the GOP, infrastructure would just send the deficit even higher, not happening, gun control, Trump flip flops daily, nothing will be done. And the Dems keep winning state elections.

How is daca still here? It will be gone soon. As always your twist the wording on everything. The scotus would not hear the daca case because it still has to go through the lower courts which it did not as of yet. Thats the only reason scotus would not hear it right now. Quit listening to cnn for christ sakes.

DACA doesn't exist, the bill failed to pass congress and vanished into the void that all failed bills disappear to. President Obama then exercised his Constitutionally granted powers over the executive branch and ordered DHS to not pursue illegals who were entered without inspection as minors.

Now President Trump executed those exact same Constitutionally granted powers to resend President Obama's policy. President Trump could of made this go into effect immediately but instead provided a grace period for Congress to pass a Constitutional law. President Trump did not have to provide that grace period, and could at this very moment collapse the entire thing with nothing but a pen stroke. And there is nothing Congress nor the Supreme Court can do about it. Neither of those entities have the actual Constitutionally granted power to issue policy for the Executive branch, the Constitution is extremely clear on that point as it forms one of the pillars for the lawful US Government.

What we see the 9th circuit doing is trying to buy time and interfere with the executive branch by playing with words. See the lawful DACA policy created by President Obama is still in effect for one more week. UCIS, because they didn't know what was going to happen had refused to accept applications for registration under DACA. By doing so they were inadvertently denying due process to individuals inside the USA. UCIS is staffed with a ***ton of office workers who do nothing but paperwork all day every day. It takes months upon months to process this paperwork, I should know because my wife recently received her LPR authorization card, we started the process last February and were "priority". UCIS simply didn't want to spend all this time processing paperwork that they would then have to cancel. The 9th ordered them to process the paperwork.

Now as to why this is all important. Due process applies to just about everything (except liberal Universities apparently), that includes removal orders (that's deportation). When UCIS is going to have someone deported, they first need to go through a lengthy process that involves the deportee standing in front of a Judge and trying to argue why they should stay. When a person without a lawful status, that's illegals otherwise known as entry without inspection, applies for an adjustment of status, they enter into a grey area where they don't have status but aren't considered unlawful. Again I know this for a fact because this is the same status my wife had, the process is so long that lawful VISA's will expire while your doing the paperwork. People who have applications pending are protected from removal until the application process is finished and they receive an adjudication for stay or removal.

So by doing this the 9th hopes to enable people who don't have a lawful status to submit paperwork and enter into that grey area until their paperwork gets denied due to DACA no longer being a policy. The longer that time can be stretched out the more illegals can get paperwork in and then eventually relocate to another place and not inform UCIS.

DHS believes this is all *** and instead of dealing with the 9th, which is basically the Judicial branch of the DNC, they wanted it to go in front of the Supreme Court, which it will eventually. The Supreme Court said we don't have time for this ***, go through the proper process even if we know it's going to end up at our doorstep.
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By Viciouss 2018-02-28 20:11:31
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If Trump tried to end DACA tomorrow they would just file an immediate appeal for an injunction, which would of course be granted, and draw the process out even more because they would have to go back to step 1 of the courts instead of their current location. No reason to read the rest of Saevel's comedy post.
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By fonewear 2018-02-28 20:50:22
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Unless you crossed the border last night why am I worrying about this ?
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By Asura.Saevel 2018-02-28 21:11:58
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The really funny thing is the Liberals can't have it both ways. The Dream Act failed to pass in Congress, meaning its not a law and therefore unconstitutional to treat it as such. President used the powers granted from an older law that gave the President control over the immigration system to create the DACA policy. Those are the exact same powers that President Trump used to restrict immigration from various nations. And these are the exact same set of powers President Trump used to remove President Obama's DACA policy.

The left can't argue that the President Obama can create DACA but President Trump can't remove it. It's the same *** law and same *** powers. The Constitution doesn't care what political party someone is on and it's unconstitutional for any law to only apply to distinguish between political parties.

So the logical result is that if President Trump can't remove DACA, then President Obama couldn't of created DACA and therefor DACA with all the protections it provides is unconstitutional.

My only hitch is that due process should always be followed. Due process ranks up there with right to free speech and the right to self defense.
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By fonewear 2018-02-28 21:22:29
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The thing is people without legal status to be in the country shouldn't have been granted temporary status.

They should have been sent back to wherever they came from.
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By Garuda.Chanti 2018-02-28 21:42:34
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fonewear said: »
The thing is people without legal status to be in the country shouldn't have been granted temporary status.

They should have been sent back to wherever they came from.
If you give a man a fish you feed him for a day.

If you deport him you never have to feed him again.
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By Asura.Saevel 2018-02-28 21:56:35
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The thing is people without legal status to be in the country shouldn't have been granted temporary status.

They should have been sent back to wherever they came from.

Those who entered without inspection, which is the term of illegal entry vs just someone who's without lawful status, get a very brief version of due process. Once it's determined they entered without inspection and thus automatically guilty of breaking federal laws, it goes in front of a judge who reviews and signs it without a hearing. That process is quite fast. Someone who entered with inspection but overstayed a visa or otherwise is out of status, they get the entire judicial process including appeals, that can easily takes years to adjudicate. My absolutely amazing immigration lawyer is just now finishing a case that she's been working on since 2009. DACA is a policy that grants immigration benefits to specific individuals who entered without inspection and never held a lawful status. Once immigration benefits are granted they can't be revoked using the expedited process, instead they need to follow due process and go through the courts to have a removal order issued or lawful status granted.

DHS was jumping the gun quite a bit, they were refusing to process DACA renewals or registrations while simultaneously canceling immigration benefits for those who's status was expiring. It would be like if your drivers license was expiring soon and the state refused to accept any registration forms and then revoked your license because it expired. That's a violation of the due process clause.
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By fonewear 2018-03-01 11:07:09
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The thing is people without legal status to be in the country shouldn't have been granted temporary status.

They should have been sent back to wherever they came from.

Those who entered without inspection, which is the term of illegal entry vs just someone who's without lawful status, get a very brief version of due process. Once it's determined they entered without inspection and thus automatically guilty of breaking federal laws, it goes in front of a judge who reviews and signs it without a hearing. That process is quite fast. Someone who entered with inspection but overstayed a visa or otherwise is out of status, they get the entire judicial process including appeals, that can easily takes years to adjudicate. My absolutely amazing immigration lawyer is just now finishing a case that she's been working on since 2009. DACA is a policy that grants immigration benefits to specific individuals who entered without inspection and never held a lawful status. Once immigration benefits are granted they can't be revoked using the expedited process, instead they need to follow due process and go through the courts to have a removal order issued or lawful status granted.

DHS was jumping the gun quite a bit, they were refusing to process DACA renewals or registrations while simultaneously canceling immigration benefits for those who's status was expiring. It would be like if your drivers license was expiring soon and the state refused to accept any registration forms and then revoked your license because it expired. That's a violation of the due process clause.

My guess is that Koala bears don't get granted legal status because they might bring eucalyptus leaves into the country...
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By fonewear 2018-03-01 11:08:32
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By Siren.Mosin 2018-03-01 12:29:30
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Ah Koalas the cutest of all junkies.
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By Bahamut.Ravael 2018-03-01 14:00:47
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Sheesh. Trump says some very Democrat things about gun control and suddenly the left wingers are attacking him for those comments too. Apparently all it takes for the Left to destroy their own arguments is for Trump to come out in favor of them.
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By Asura.Saevel 2018-03-01 14:08:14
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Apparently all it takes for the Left to destroy their own arguments is for Trump to come out in favor of them.

Dude all Trump has to do to defeat Democrats is to agree with them. They will be so inflamed that they will destroy themselves to spite him.

That's some grade S+ troll capability right there.
 
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By fonewear 2018-03-01 14:40:39
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Sheesh. Trump says some very Democrat things about gun control and suddenly the left wingers are attacking him for those comments too. Apparently all it takes for the Left to destroy their own arguments is for Trump to come out in favor of them.

I was under the impression a lot of democrats aren't in favor of gun control, however, I think Trump is being burned right now by everyone for his comment about taking guns away without due process.
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By Asura.Saevel 2018-03-01 14:40:54
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I was under the impression a lot of democrats aren't in favor of gun control

They are for full confiscation and nation wide disarmament. That's not currently possible so instead it's a game of moving the goalpost every few years until it becomes possible.
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By fonewear 2018-03-01 14:48:19
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By Anna Ruthven 2018-03-01 14:51:57
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I was under the impression a lot of democrats aren't in favor of gun control

They are for full confiscation and nation wide disarmament. That's not currently possible so instead it's a game of moving the goalpost every few years until it becomes possible.
The above is NRA scare tactics, it's also not true for all Democrats.
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By Asura.Saevel 2018-03-01 15:22:18
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I was under the impression a lot of democrats aren't in favor of gun control

They are for full confiscation and nation wide disarmament. That's not currently possible so instead it's a game of moving the goalpost every few years until it becomes possible.
The above is NRA scare tactics, it's also not true for all Democrats.


I'm not a member of the NRA nor do I own a firearm so you don't even bother with those personal attacks.

California is already doing mass gun confiscation, New York on a smaller scale. Both entities forced a 100% gun registration requirement and said they absolutely wouldn't use that registry to confiscate weapons. Both later passed separate "sensible gun control measures" that used that registry for confiscation. Was really handy having an easy list with everyone's name and address on it to go around collecting.

The stated goal of every anti-gun group is the nation wide banning of all "dangerous weapons", which translates to full on disarmament. The term "Assault Weapon" isn't even defined, it literally has no official definition and is 100% fictional. It means anything the speaker wants it to mean. So anyone, anywhere, talking about "Assault Riffle / Weapons" ban is in fact saying "ban anything I can get away with".
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By Anna Ruthven 2018-03-01 15:36:47
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Asura.Saevel said: »
personal attacks.
I didn't post any personal attacks. If you took something I said personally, that's on you.

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California is already doing mass gun confiscation, New York on a smaller scale.
This wouldn't be federally backed and wouldn't stand in federal court. I can only assume California is doing it because they think guns cause cancer like everything else.

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The stated goal of every anti-gun group is the nation wide banning of all "dangerous weapons", which translates to full on disarmament.
Y...yes, that's what anti-gun means. The goal of all anti-abortion groups is full-on banning and criminalization of abortion. Just because a group for something exists doesn't mean they should get their way.

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The term "Assault Weapon" isn't even defined, it literally has no official definition and is 100% fictional.
Defining it before banning them would be a good start if people would stop bickering.
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By fonewear 2018-03-01 15:43:18
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Anna Ruthven said: »
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personal attacks.
I didn't post any personal attacks. If you took something I said personally, that's on you.

Asura.Saevel said: »
California is already doing mass gun confiscation, New York on a smaller scale.
This wouldn't be federally backed and wouldn't stand in federal court. I can only assume California is doing it because they think guns cause cancer like everything else.

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The stated goal of every anti-gun group is the nation wide banning of all "dangerous weapons", which translates to full on disarmament.
Y...yes, that's what anti-gun means. The goal of all anti-abortion groups is full-on banning and criminalization of abortion. Just because a group for something exists doesn't mean they should get their way.

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The term "Assault Weapon" isn't even defined, it literally has no official definition and is 100% fictional.
Defining it before banning them would be a good start if people would stop bickering.

Don't you have an anime movie to watch ?
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By fonewear 2018-03-01 15:43:33
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More moderating less posting !
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By fonewear 2018-03-01 15:44:12
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Are you even remotely versed in what moderating means ?
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More moderating less posting !
Done.
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By fonewear 2018-03-01 15:54:06
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Anyways it is Women's history month or something....so umm...you should umm...do um.... something.
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By fonewear 2018-03-01 15:55:27
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Oh I know buy girl scout cookies. That will smash the patriarchy
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By Anna Ruthven 2018-03-01 15:58:47
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Oh I know buy girl scout cookies. That will smash the patriarchy
They raised the price apparently. So no.
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By Viciouss 2018-03-01 16:05:03
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Asura.Saevel said: »
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I was under the impression a lot of democrats aren't in favor of gun control

They are for full confiscation and nation wide disarmament. That's not currently possible so instead it's a game of moving the goalpost every few years until it becomes possible.

Total lie, just what we expect from Saevel.
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By Viciouss 2018-03-01 16:07:10
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Sheesh. Trump says some very Democrat things about gun control and suddenly the left wingers are attacking him for those comments too. Apparently all it takes for the Left to destroy their own arguments is for Trump to come out in favor of them.

Maybe you are talking about his "take the guns, ignore due process" comments? Yeah, EVERYONE should be hitting him for that nonsense. He didn't misspeak either, I know that's the damage control spin.
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By fonewear 2018-03-01 16:12:57
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Trump says a lot of things he is like me.

Today he wants to do this tomorrow he will change his mind.
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By Bahamut.Ravael 2018-03-01 16:17:15
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Sheesh. Trump says some very Democrat things about gun control and suddenly the left wingers are attacking him for those comments too. Apparently all it takes for the Left to destroy their own arguments is for Trump to come out in favor of them.

Maybe you are talking about his "take the guns, ignore due process" comments? Yeah, EVERYONE should be hitting him for that nonsense. He didn't misspeak either, I know that's the damage control spin.

It was an eyebrow raiser for sure. I never thought Trump would be parroting Candlejack, but there are many instances already where law enforcement not only has the right but the obligation to confiscate firearms even when a crime hasn't occurred (see: domestic disputes). It'll be interesting to see how this plays out, but Trump can never be taken at face value.
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