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Random Politics & Religion #31: 2018 Edition
By fonewear 2018-02-03 11:30:07
Also, let's not fantasize about other posters committing suicide over anything. If you hate someone to the point you think about them dying, you should probably block them or request a section ban and turn off P&R in your account options. >.>
I blame the anime. 9/10 anime watchers are either *** stupid...immature a combination of both !
By fonewear 2018-02-03 11:38:22
I ship Donald Trump x Hope Hicks.
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By Lakshmi.Flavin 2018-02-03 13:30:26
You’re operating on the false assumption that this investigations purpose is to take trump down... regardless of what anyone may or may not want it to accomplish it is merely there to investigate and *** if there was any collusion with the Russians... as some have state and as trump himself has touted this investigation will vindicate him so I’m not sure why people oppose the investigation... if something improper happened wouldn’t you want to know or be vindicated in your opinion that nothing did happen?
It seems like you're operating on the false assumption that I want to sweep it all under the rug, which I do not recall ever saying. My major grief is that Mueller was not given a specific scope to his investigation, allowing him to investigate every tangent imaginable. Given that there is a growing consensus that Mueller is moving away from the collusion angle and is now drifting elsewhere, I think it's ridiculous that he should be allowed to operate ad infinitum until he finds a cherry that he can put on top of his tax dollar fueled witch hunt.
I want the facts, but he needs to wrap this up soon. There's no good reason for him to pull a Comey with midterm elections coming up, and there's even less reason to keep the investigation going beyond that. You say you don’t want to sweep it under the rug but you seem more worried about just wrapping it up quickly and gettin g it out of the way before elections... these investigations never end quickly... I can tell you one thing though, trump or the GOP ending this before it’s complete would not be good for anyone...
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By Bahamut.Ravael 2018-02-03 13:52:15
You’re operating on the false assumption that this investigations purpose is to take trump down... regardless of what anyone may or may not want it to accomplish it is merely there to investigate and *** if there was any collusion with the Russians... as some have state and as trump himself has touted this investigation will vindicate him so I’m not sure why people oppose the investigation... if something improper happened wouldn’t you want to know or be vindicated in your opinion that nothing did happen?
It seems like you're operating on the false assumption that I want to sweep it all under the rug, which I do not recall ever saying. My major grief is that Mueller was not given a specific scope to his investigation, allowing him to investigate every tangent imaginable. Given that there is a growing consensus that Mueller is moving away from the collusion angle and is now drifting elsewhere, I think it's ridiculous that he should be allowed to operate ad infinitum until he finds a cherry that he can put on top of his tax dollar fueled witch hunt.
I want the facts, but he needs to wrap this up soon. There's no good reason for him to pull a Comey with midterm elections coming up, and there's even less reason to keep the investigation going beyond that. You say you don’t want to sweep it under the rug but you seem more worried about just wrapping it up quickly and gettin g it out of the way before elections... these investigations never end quickly... I can tell you one thing though, trump or the GOP ending this before it’s complete would not be good for anyone...
I think you missed the point again. It's stupid to have to sit on everything that the Mueller team has already processed and wait until he's done when there is no scope. At the very least, Mueller should give periodic updates and recommendations based on whatever aspects of the investigation have concluded.
As for my reason that I want this cleared up well before elections? Because the optics of an investigation seem to matter far more than the actual results. I would think that anyone who is anti-Trump would fully appreciate my view that investigations should not be October surprises, but rather give people plenty of time to process the conclusions.
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By fonewear 2018-02-03 13:58:28
I don't give a ***what Mueller does or doesn't do. He looks like an ***.
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By fonewear 2018-02-03 13:58:51
And we've got enough *** in government to deal with without his horse face telling us what to believe.
By fonewear 2018-02-03 13:59:39
This is America damn it! I'll believe what I want and no sum *** is going to tell me otherwise.
By fonewear 2018-02-03 14:05:02
Jackie Gleason will get em !
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By Nausi 2018-02-03 16:28:22
Liberals and left pundits have spend the better part of the last two days claiming that the fact that the FISA warrant was renewed 3 times means without question that Page is a secret Russian agent. Because he is a Russian agent (a big assumption) that ultimately allows them to dismiss any and all concerns regarding the fraudulent use of the Dossier.
They summarily dismiss the claim that the Clinton funded dossier was essential in getting a warrant. Without the dossier, there would be no warrant, and there would even be no application for a warrant, at least according to McCabe's own testimony under oath.
Now, as I recall, Carter Page has not been indicted in the special counsel investigation or in any Russian investigation. So do liberals really expect us to believe that if Page had any been involved wrong doing he wouldn't be charged? Or at the very least given the rampant deep state "leak anything that makes Trump look bad" atmosphere, any damning info wouldn't been leaked? (cmon)
Can we make a reasonable assumption that because there is no actionable evidence, that the warrants did not bear fruit?
By Viciouss 2018-02-03 16:30:26
Liberals and left pundits have spend the better part of the last two days claiming that the fact that the FISA warrant was renewed 3 times means without question that Page is a secret Russian agent.
Source?
By Viciouss 2018-02-03 16:32:29
Bad day for Paul Ryan.
By fonewear 2018-02-03 16:35:43
Liberals and left pundits have spend the better part of the last two days claiming that the fact that the FISA warrant was renewed 3 times means without question that Page is a secret Russian agent. Because he is a Russian agent (a big assumption) that ultimately allows them to dismiss any and all concerns regarding the fraudulent use of the Dossier.
They summarily dismiss the claim that the Clinton funded dossier was essential in getting a warrant. Without the dossier, there would be no warrant, and there would even be no application for a warrant, at least according to McCabe's own testimony under oath.
Now, as I recall, Carter Page has not been indicted in the special counsel investigation or in any Russian investigation. So do liberals really expect us to believe that if Page had any been involved wrong doing he wouldn't be charged? Or at the very least given the rampant deep state "leak anything that makes Trump look bad" atmosphere, any damning info wouldn't been leaked? (cmon)
Can we make a reasonable assumption that because there is no actionable evidence, that the warrants did not bear fruit?
What kind of fruit strawberries ?
By Viciouss 2018-02-03 16:41:07
Pineapple.
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By Garuda.Chanti 2018-02-03 17:12:50
Liberals and left pundits have spend the better part of the last two days claiming that the fact that the FISA warrant was renewed 3 times means without question that Page is a secret Russian agent. Because he is a Russian agent (a big assumption) that ultimately allows them to dismiss any and all concerns regarding the fraudulent use of the Dossier.
They summarily dismiss the claim that the Clinton funded dossier was essential in getting a warrant. Without the dossier, there would be no warrant, and there would even be no application for a warrant, at least according to McCabe's own testimony under oath.
Now, as I recall, Carter Page has not been indicted in the special counsel investigation or in any Russian investigation. So do liberals really expect us to believe that if Page had any been involved wrong doing he wouldn't be charged? Or at the very least given the rampant deep state "leak anything that makes Trump look bad" atmosphere, any damning info wouldn't been leaked? (cmon)
Can we make a reasonable assumption that because there is no actionable evidence, that the warrants did not bear fruit? What kind of fruit strawberries ? Why the fruit of the poisonous tree of course.
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By Odin.Slore 2018-02-03 18:00:59
If the whole cabinet gets removed, as it includes the majority speakers for both chambers of congress, whoever ran and lost against them in the prior elections would be installed automatically by the Electoral College. Meaning we'd get Hillary and Tim Kaine as president and vice-president respectively, and the minority leaders in both chambers take over the majority speaker posts. Of course, this is considering the COG (Continuance Of Governance) plan is not being followed. COG is only used in the event of a major terrorist attack or nuclear war and places one randomly selected "president pro-tempor"/"designated survivor" from the cabinet in an undisclosed secure location. Since a full cabinet removal would not trigger COG since the war/terror attack conditions aren't met, it'd have to be that way.
What in the actual *** am I reading here? You have truly gone off your rocker dude. Seriously seek help.
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By Lakshmi.Flavin 2018-02-03 18:16:59
You’re operating on the false assumption that this investigations purpose is to take trump down... regardless of what anyone may or may not want it to accomplish it is merely there to investigate and *** if there was any collusion with the Russians... as some have state and as trump himself has touted this investigation will vindicate him so I’m not sure why people oppose the investigation... if something improper happened wouldn’t you want to know or be vindicated in your opinion that nothing did happen?
It seems like you're operating on the false assumption that I want to sweep it all under the rug, which I do not recall ever saying. My major grief is that Mueller was not given a specific scope to his investigation, allowing him to investigate every tangent imaginable. Given that there is a growing consensus that Mueller is moving away from the collusion angle and is now drifting elsewhere, I think it's ridiculous that he should be allowed to operate ad infinitum until he finds a cherry that he can put on top of his tax dollar fueled witch hunt.
I want the facts, but he needs to wrap this up soon. There's no good reason for him to pull a Comey with midterm elections coming up, and there's even less reason to keep the investigation going beyond that. You say you don’t want to sweep it under the rug but you seem more worried about just wrapping it up quickly and gettin g it out of the way before elections... these investigations never end quickly... I can tell you one thing though, trump or the GOP ending this before it’s complete would not be good for anyone...
I think you missed the point again. It's stupid to have to sit on everything that the Mueller team has already processed and wait until he's done when there is no scope. At the very least, Mueller should give periodic updates and recommendations based on whatever aspects of the investigation have concluded.
As for my reason that I want this cleared up well before elections? Because the optics of an investigation seem to matter far more than the actual results. I would think that anyone who is anti-Trump would fully appreciate my view that investigations should not be October surprises, but rather give people plenty of time to process the conclusions. Whether it’s stupid or not this is how these investigations are run and have been run... I’d love to have plenty of time to process it but how can you do that if it’s cut short being forced to end before it’s reached it’s actual conclusions?
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By Anna Ruthven 2018-02-03 18:33:42
Liberals and left pundits have spend the better part of the last two days claiming that the fact that the FISA warrant was renewed 3 times means without question that Page is a secret Russian agent. Because he is a Russian agent (a big assumption) that ultimately allows them to dismiss any and all concerns regarding the fraudulent use of the Dossier.
They summarily dismiss the claim that the Clinton funded dossier was essential in getting a warrant. Without the dossier, there would be no warrant, and there would even be no application for a warrant, at least according to McCabe's own testimony under oath.
Now, as I recall, Carter Page has not been indicted in the special counsel investigation or in any Russian investigation. So do liberals really expect us to believe that if Page had any been involved wrong doing he wouldn't be charged? Or at the very least given the rampant deep state "leak anything that makes Trump look bad" atmosphere, any damning info wouldn't been leaked? (cmon)
Can we make a reasonable assumption that because there is no actionable evidence, that the warrants did not bear fruit? What kind of fruit strawberries ? Why the fruit of the poisonous tree of course. Tasty.
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By fonewear 2018-02-03 18:33:56
You’re operating on the false assumption that this investigations purpose is to take trump down... regardless of what anyone may or may not want it to accomplish it is merely there to investigate and *** if there was any collusion with the Russians... as some have state and as trump himself has touted this investigation will vindicate him so I’m not sure why people oppose the investigation... if something improper happened wouldn’t you want to know or be vindicated in your opinion that nothing did happen?
It seems like you're operating on the false assumption that I want to sweep it all under the rug, which I do not recall ever saying. My major grief is that Mueller was not given a specific scope to his investigation, allowing him to investigate every tangent imaginable. Given that there is a growing consensus that Mueller is moving away from the collusion angle and is now drifting elsewhere, I think it's ridiculous that he should be allowed to operate ad infinitum until he finds a cherry that he can put on top of his tax dollar fueled witch hunt.
I want the facts, but he needs to wrap this up soon. There's no good reason for him to pull a Comey with midterm elections coming up, and there's even less reason to keep the investigation going beyond that. You say you don’t want to sweep it under the rug but you seem more worried about just wrapping it up quickly and gettin g it out of the way before elections... these investigations never end quickly... I can tell you one thing though, trump or the GOP ending this before it’s complete would not be good for anyone...
I think you missed the point again. It's stupid to have to sit on everything that the Mueller team has already processed and wait until he's done when there is no scope. At the very least, Mueller should give periodic updates and recommendations based on whatever aspects of the investigation have concluded.
As for my reason that I want this cleared up well before elections? Because the optics of an investigation seem to matter far more than the actual results. I would think that anyone who is anti-Trump would fully appreciate my view that investigations should not be October surprises, but rather give people plenty of time to process the conclusions. Whether it’s stupid or not this is how these investigations are run and have been run... I’d love to have plenty of time to process it but how can you do that if it’s cut short being forced to end before it’s reached it’s actual conclusions?
It's stupid alright it's an endless investigation. That doesn't benefit joe six pack and his ugly trailer park wife !
By fonewear 2018-02-03 18:35:23
The year is 2019 we still are investigating but trust us when we get done interviewing every Tom *** and Harry. We will be sure to inform Congress who will in turn to nothing.
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By Anna Ruthven 2018-02-03 18:40:22
You’re operating on the false assumption that this investigations purpose is to take trump down... regardless of what anyone may or may not want it to accomplish it is merely there to investigate and *** if there was any collusion with the Russians... as some have state and as trump himself has touted this investigation will vindicate him so I’m not sure why people oppose the investigation... if something improper happened wouldn’t you want to know or be vindicated in your opinion that nothing did happen?
It seems like you're operating on the false assumption that I want to sweep it all under the rug, which I do not recall ever saying. My major grief is that Mueller was not given a specific scope to his investigation, allowing him to investigate every tangent imaginable. Given that there is a growing consensus that Mueller is moving away from the collusion angle and is now drifting elsewhere, I think it's ridiculous that he should be allowed to operate ad infinitum until he finds a cherry that he can put on top of his tax dollar fueled witch hunt.
I want the facts, but he needs to wrap this up soon. There's no good reason for him to pull a Comey with midterm elections coming up, and there's even less reason to keep the investigation going beyond that. You say you don’t want to sweep it under the rug but you seem more worried about just wrapping it up quickly and gettin g it out of the way before elections... these investigations never end quickly... I can tell you one thing though, trump or the GOP ending this before it’s complete would not be good for anyone...
I think you missed the point again. It's stupid to have to sit on everything that the Mueller team has already processed and wait until he's done when there is no scope. At the very least, Mueller should give periodic updates and recommendations based on whatever aspects of the investigation have concluded.
As for my reason that I want this cleared up well before elections? Because the optics of an investigation seem to matter far more than the actual results. I would think that anyone who is anti-Trump would fully appreciate my view that investigations should not be October surprises, but rather give people plenty of time to process the conclusions. Whether it’s stupid or not this is how these investigations are run and have been run... I’d love to have plenty of time to process it but how can you do that if it’s cut short being forced to end before it’s reached it’s actual conclusions?
It's stupid alright it's an endless investigation. That doesn't benefit joe six pack and his ugly trailer park wife ! It does if they enjoy ***.
By fonewear 2018-02-03 18:43:32
I don't really understand why an endless investigation helps anyone. It won't change the election outcome. It would impeach Trump. What exactly is the point but to make Trump look bad ?
By fonewear 2018-02-03 18:43:50
It won't impeach * Congress has to do that....
By fonewear 2018-02-03 18:46:48
If the whole cabinet gets removed, as it includes the majority speakers for both chambers of congress, whoever ran and lost against them in the prior elections would be installed automatically by the Electoral College. Meaning we'd get Hillary and Tim Kaine as president and vice-president respectively, and the minority leaders in both chambers take over the majority speaker posts. Of course, this is considering the COG (Continuance Of Governance) plan is not being followed. COG is only used in the event of a major terrorist attack or nuclear war and places one randomly selected "president pro-tempor"/"designated survivor" from the cabinet in an undisclosed secure location. Since a full cabinet removal would not trigger COG since the war/terror attack conditions aren't met, it'd have to be that way.
What in the actual *** am I reading here? You have truly gone off your rocker dude. Seriously seek help.
It's best not to think about it...you will waste valuable seconds.
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By Garuda.Chanti 2018-02-03 18:55:14
If the whole cabinet gets removed, as it includes the majority speakers for both chambers of congress, whoever ran and lost against them in the prior elections would be installed automatically by the Electoral College. Meaning we'd get Hillary and Tim Kaine as president and vice-president respectively, and the minority leaders in both chambers take over the majority speaker posts. Of course, this is considering the COG (Continuance Of Governance) plan is not being followed. COG is only used in the event of a major terrorist attack or nuclear war and places one randomly selected "president pro-tempor"/"designated survivor" from the cabinet in an undisclosed secure location. Since a full cabinet removal would not trigger COG since the war/terror attack conditions aren't met, it'd have to be that way. What in the actual *** am I reading here? You have truly gone off your rocker dude. Seriously seek help. He is confusing an actual law and fantasy.
The actual law doesn't touch speakers. Nor does it involve the electoral college which, if you remember, went to Trump bigly.
The fantasy part does shine brightly though, doesn't it?
By fonewear 2018-02-03 18:55:48
If the whole cabinet gets removed, as it includes the majority speakers for both chambers of congress, whoever ran and lost against them in the prior elections would be installed automatically by the Electoral College. Meaning we'd get Hillary and Tim Kaine as president and vice-president respectively, and the minority leaders in both chambers take over the majority speaker posts. Of course, this is considering the COG (Continuance Of Governance) plan is not being followed. COG is only used in the event of a major terrorist attack or nuclear war and places one randomly selected "president pro-tempor"/"designated survivor" from the cabinet in an undisclosed secure location. Since a full cabinet removal would not trigger COG since the war/terror attack conditions aren't met, it'd have to be that way. What in the actual *** am I reading here? You have truly gone off your rocker dude. Seriously seek help. He is confusing an actual law and fantasy.
The actual law doesn't touch speakers. Nor does it involve the electoral college which, if you remember, went to Trump bigly.
The fantasy part does shine brightly though, doesn't it?
That is a polite way of saying shut the *** up Donny !
By fonewear 2018-02-03 18:58:09
I hope we do get nuked the only thing that will survive the bomb is FFXIAH. It is probably hosted in Canada or some hell hole.
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By Garuda.Chanti 2018-02-03 19:04:49
I don't really understand why an endless investigation helps anyone. It won't change the election outcome. It would impeach Trump. What exactly is the point but to make Trump look bad ? The actual purpose of the investigation is NOT to get rid of Trump. It is to look into Russian influence in the 2016 election.
What we know. The Russians did interfere. The Russians did want to collude. Trump's stupid kid wanted to collude. Many of Trump's aides and surrogates had meetings with Russians that they forgot to mention but later were forced to remember.
As far as I can see the Republican party is in collusion with the Russians to destroy America's standing in the eyes of the planet.
What happens next? Stay tuned, same bat time, same bat channel.
/popcorn
By fonewear 2018-02-03 19:09:09
I don't really understand why an endless investigation helps anyone. It won't change the election outcome. It would impeach Trump. What exactly is the point but to make Trump look bad ? The actual purpose of the investigation is NOT to get rid of Trump. It is to look into Russian influence in the 2016 election.
What we know. The Russians did interfere. The Russians did want to collude. Trump's stupid kid wanted to collude. Many of Trump's aides and surrogates had meetings with Russians that they forgot to mention but later were forced to remember.
As far as I can see the Republican party is in collusion with the Russians to destroy America's standing in the eyes of the planet.
What happens next? Stay tuned, same bat time, same bat channel.
/popcorn
Yea but you are a woman why should I trust you ?
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By Anna Ruthven 2018-02-03 19:09:41
Nor does it involve the electoral college which, if you remember, went to Trump bigly. First time I read this, I thought it said Trump went to the Electoral College. I giggled.
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