Random Politics & Religion #31: 2018 Edition

I'd be careful on the exact words being used. Muellers investigation is pretty broad and I highly doubt that guy would knowingly used tainted evidence, he's too much a pro for that. He likely already tossed out any evidence obtained from the surveillance or the dossier and is focusing almost entirely on public documents and statements people already made.

The thing we all need to remember is Mueller isn't tasked to investigate President Trump, that would be illegal as ***. He's tasked to investigate Russian interference with the election and any crimes uncovered during that process. The Democrats insisted in that last part as a way to sidestep the Constitution. The idea was that Mueller would investigate the election and would "just happen" to come across something bad Trump may have done in the past. That's now almost entirely in the realm of Democrat fantasy. Mueller will continue investigating the election, won't get anything on Trump and this will all die out later this year or early next.

Mueller knows he can't legally investigate a sitting President directly. He won't cross that line no matter how hard the Democrats try to push him. Because he'll never cross that line, President Trump won't have to dismiss him and thus the Democrats won't have anything firm to blow into a scandal. They are still going to blow stuff up, it's just going to look flimsy as *** and no one but the most die hard liberal would take them seriously.

Which brings us to the Democrats real plan, which is to try to push Mueller to violate the rules and have the sitting President dismiss him so they can get their scandal for 2020.

Only because your blind and have amnesia.

Now go find out the reason the FBI and Democrats opposed the memo, the actual on record statements. Look for the words "severely damage national interests / security".

Those words have very special legal meanings.

Libs and dems are literally on fire, and they think they’re fine because the media bubble tells them so.

(It’s ok, we all knew they werent going to listen)

Except Alex Jones isn't an extremely well respected MI6 agent who has an impressive resume of achievements, and high profile take downs, to his name.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christopher_Steele

Which means absolutely nothing when he makes up a bunch of crap and is also on the record as being highly biased against Trump.

Money and politics are destroyers of integrity.

I WILL MOTIVATE YOU (PNR) IF IT SHORTS *** EVERY CANNIBAL IN THE CONGO !!

Unfortunately public record disagrees with that statement. He's on record as stating he was out to stop a Trump Presidency and his compiled dossier has been discredited and shown to be tabloid level intelligence. This isn't even something up for discussion, there is a reason the Democrats been backing off that dossier for awhile now.

A lot of the dossier's claims have been corroborated.

By multiple outlets.

On both sides of the Atlantic.

Steele's findings are also being corroborated by other independent intelligence efforts.

Steele did not just make this up out of thin air. Steele did not go in biased against Trump, he went in with previous and extensive first hand experience that the Kremlin is insidious in its methods and soon saw that a potential America president was compromised by them and had been since 1987.

Money and politics being the destroyers of integrity? Absolutely, but Steele is neither a billionaire nor is he a politician. He was a distinguished civil servant, later an independent who took down corrupt officials in FIFA among others. Trump is allegedly a billionaire but his lack of tax return leads one to reconsider that and despite what his hard-line followers believe, that he is a 'true outsider' and that he 'is not a politician', Trump is a politician.

I'd get you the memo but you probably wouldn't read it anyways.

That's a lot of words to get to the point.

It doesnt matter, he’s respected AND hes got a salacious dossier against trump.

Literally too good to check!

We don't have time to read round these parts. So pretty please with sugar on top...get to the *** point !

Dude he's on record talking to the FBI agents saying exactly that he was biased. On recordings during the interview.

And holy *** .. slate .... guardian .... *** just use mother jones as a research source next time.

Spell out exactly which "findings" were corroborated.

That dossier is the same one that said Trump was having an affair with a Porn star. It was tabloid level material that was originally rejected by liberal media outlets during the 2016 elections because of how bad it was. It was "noticed" by an FBI agent, and I need to use quotes because the agents wife worked on it before hand, and then brought into the FBI as material to start an investigation on candidate Trump. The people who brought it in and insisted on using it, on record as extremely anti-Trump with an axe to grind. Did you forget the reason Steele he was terminated as an FBI source was that he was trying to sell it to various media companies.

People don't seem to understand, today all electronic messages are recorded and archived somewhere. Every email, every text message, every instant message, every facebook post, everything is saved. All it takes is a warrant for them to dig the data up, and in the case of federal employees doesn't even take that since all communication they do on government equipment or related to government business is considered public record.

None of them did, they all just think whatever the person on TV tells them to think. Like all the liberals criticizing the SoTU address, who didn't even read, watch or listen to it. It's some 1984 level ***happening in here.

Wait .. almost missed this one ...

Jesus *** CHRIST

You realize tax documents are considered extremely private and confidential financial documents right. The keeper of those documents, the IRS, is the most feared of all the government alphabet agencies. You can *** with the DoD, FBI, the NSA even the CIA but nobody *** with the IRS. Those are some cold blooded people, who also lean to the extreme left if you missed the previous scandal about Democrats weaponizing the IRS to get Hillary elected. The IRS has Donald Trumps tax documents ,they've gone over them like they do every politician. If there was even the most remote possibility of a problem, it details would of been leaked by some "anonymous source" to WaPo, CNN, ect.. and then shared to the likes of Slate, MJ, Huffington, theguardian, BBC and so forth.

Post your complete financial history for everyone on this site, on facebook and in the world to review. Then you can ask for Donald Trumps tax documents. In fact every liberal poster here needs to do that before demanding to see Donald Trumps tax documents.

I knew you were leaning liberal but damn that's a deep dive into the left territory if your actually expecting tax documents to be made public. The ignorant conservatives only asked for a non-existent "birth certificate" instead of the "certificate of live birth" that some of us have. Here I thought they were near the bottom of the gene pool but you just one upped them and dived even deeper.

Not really... besides isn’t trump steps ahead of everyone else? If he never wanted this investigation to happen he would have stopped it in the first place... besides he’s got nothing to hide right so why care if the investigation continues to completion as it will only clear him right?

These investigations take over a year usually and it’s about getting to the truth of the matter and finding out if there is anything to it... What is it you think that a special investigator is supposed to produce, before the investigation is complete, that he hasn’t?

Putting the obviously biased left-wing sources aside as well as the items already addressed by Saev, any idiot worth his salt knows how to use actual facts to increase the credibility of lies. Ever since humans have been able to string words together, using half-truths to slander opponents has been a tactic. Pointing out that the dossier has "proven facts" in it is absolutely worthless if you can't prove the only allegations within that actually matter.

Seriously, how could a dossier not have any corroborated claims? I could invent a story about Trump riding a unicorn to the moon and still manage to accidentally throw in a few proven facts.

In the words of Benjamin Franklin, "Three can keep a secret, if two of them are dead."

Is it impossible that Mueller uncovered something that nobody else has and is sitting on it until the investigation is complete? Of course it's possible. But when you take into account the multitude of leaks, the obvious bias of the investigators, and the frenzy of the media to get their hands on literally anything that even half-resembles anti-Trump propaganda, it really doesn't give an objective observer any reason to believe that Mueller has anything at all that could actually take down Trump himself.

You’re operating on the false assumption that this investigations purpose is to take trump down... regardless of what anyone may or may not want it to accomplish it is merely there to investigate and *** if there was any collusion with the Russians... as some have state and as trump himself has touted this investigation will vindicate him so I’m not sure why people oppose the investigation... if something improper happened wouldn’t you want to know or be vindicated in your opinion that nothing did happen?

It seems like you're operating on the false assumption that I want to sweep it all under the rug, which I do not recall ever saying. My major grief is that Mueller was not given a specific scope to his investigation, allowing him to investigate every tangent imaginable. Given that there is a growing consensus that Mueller is moving away from the collusion angle and is now drifting elsewhere, I think it's ridiculous that he should be allowed to operate ad infinitum until he finds a cherry that he can put on top of his tax dollar fueled witch hunt.

I want the facts, but he needs to wrap this up soon. There's no good reason for him to pull a Comey with midterm elections coming up, and there's even less reason to keep the investigation going beyond that.

Fam, we learned today that the FBI attempted to steal the 2016 election. They rigged it for Hillary by letting her off the hook, and by spying on her opponent. They fraudulently used her own commissioned campaign ***, to weaponize the justice system. When they couldn't stop Trump from getting elected, they turned their efforts into the attempt to take down an incoming and current sitting president.

This is "coup" level ***. Trump needs to do whatever he can to hold these people accountable. Send in the national guard.

There would have been no reason to even have an investigation without the dossier. The FBI were the ones that meddled in the election.

Then they would cling to "well those provable facts are what mattered (whatever they are)"

It was what he learned in his research that led him to oppose Trump. So much that he turned his research over to the FBI.

They rigged it for Trump with that 11th hour public announcement that they were reopening the Email investigation.

Look at it this way. If J. E. Hoover were in charge of the FBI today, he would have the pee tapes and know where Hillary buried every body.

Lol.

Based off Nunes interview today, it looks like Gowdy is gonna have a lot of media time since apparently it’s Gowdy’s Memo.

http://thehill.com/homenews/house/372119-nunes-admits-he-did-not-view-the-surveillance-warrant-applications-that-form