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By Nausi 2018-01-24 19:08:25
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Sources are saying Obama has obtained legal counsel.
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By Viciouss 2018-01-24 19:10:00
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Doubt it.
 
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By Bahamut.Ravael 2018-01-24 20:49:39
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So, Dump is going to grant Mueller an interview under oath. Boy, you just know Dump's going to screw this one up, since he always lies he'll perjure himself numerous times and be arrested and charged on the spot.

That's great to hear. Since you're basically the anti-Nostradamus and your predictions are never right, I'd say his chances of coming out okay are pretty dang high now.
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By Garuda.Chanti 2018-01-25 10:34:34
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#releasethememo ???

#don'tcountonit

Nunes and co won't even let GOP senate intel committee members see it.

Senate Intelligence Committee not given access to Nunes FISA memo

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Senate Intelligence Committee Chairman Richard Burr's staff has not been given access to a classified memo drafted by House Intelligence Committee Chairman Devin Nunes, a sign of how closely House Republicans are guarding allegations of Justice Department wrongdoing over surveillance activities in the Russia investigation.

According to three sources familiar with the matter, Burr's staff requested a copy of the memo and has been denied, just as the FBI and Justice Department have also been denied reviewing a copy of the document....
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By Viciouss 2018-01-25 10:49:09
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Should just start calling it a manifesto.
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By Nausi 2018-01-25 12:00:19
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Oops looks like they FOUND those texts.
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By Nausi 2018-01-25 12:00:53
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Now we can find out if that secret society has a secret handshake.
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By Bahamut.Ravael 2018-01-25 13:41:19
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Garuda.Chanti said: »
#releasethememo ???

#don'tcountonit

Nunes and co won't even let GOP senate intel committee members see it.

Senate Intelligence Committee not given access to Nunes FISA memo

CNN (but it is sourced elsewhere too)

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Senate Intelligence Committee Chairman Richard Burr's staff has not been given access to a classified memo drafted by House Intelligence Committee Chairman Devin Nunes, a sign of how closely House Republicans are guarding allegations of Justice Department wrongdoing over surveillance activities in the Russia investigation.

According to three sources familiar with the matter, Burr's staff requested a copy of the memo and has been denied, just as the FBI and Justice Department have also been denied reviewing a copy of the document....

If you're going to quote CNN, I guess we should quote Fox...

Republicans full steam ahead on surveillance memo release despite DOJ rebuke

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But Republicans on the committee may be sticking to the plan. A source who supports the memo’s release told Fox News that the letter will not change Republicans’ resolve to release the memo as early as next week. That source said the committee voted to make the memo available to all House members and described the DOJ complaint as political.

“It’s really stupid they would try to block us from releasing the memo," a senior congressional intelligence source told Fox News Wednesday evening. "It only makes it worse for them. And it is more evidence that DOJ is trying to obstruct our investigation.”
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By Zerowone 2018-01-25 20:00:09
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WASHINGTON — President Trump ordered the firing last June of Robert S. Mueller III, the special counsel overseeing the Russia investigation, according to four people told of the matter, but ultimately backed down after the White House counsel threatened to resign rather than carry out the directive.

The West Wing confrontation marks the first time Mr. Trump is known to have tried to fire the special counsel. Mr. Mueller learned about the episode in recent months as his investigators interviewed current and former senior White House officials in his inquiry into whether the president obstructed justice.

Amid the first wave of news media reports that Mr. Mueller was examining a possible obstruction case, the president began to argue that Mr. Mueller had three conflicts of interest that disqualified him from overseeing the investigation, two of the people said.

First, he claimed that a dispute years ago over fees at Trump National Golf Club in Sterling, Va., had prompted Mr. Mueller, the F.B.I. director at the time, to resign his membership. The president also said Mr. Mueller could not be impartial because he had most recently worked for the law firm that previously represented the president’s son-in-law, Jared Kushner. Finally, the president said, Mr. Mueller had been interviewed to return as the F.B.I. director the day before he was appointed special counsel in May.


After receiving the president’s order to fire Mr. Mueller, the White House counsel, Donald F. McGahn II, refused to ask the Justice Department to dismiss the special counsel, saying he would quit instead, the people said. They spoke on the condition of anonymity because they did not want to be identified discussing a continuing investigation.

Mr. McGahn disagreed with the president’s case and told senior White House officials that firing Mr. Mueller would have a catastrophic effect on Mr. Trump’s presidency. Mr. McGahn also told White House officials that Mr. Trump would not follow through on the dismissal on his own. The president then backed off.

Ty Cobb, who manages the White House’s relationship with Mr. Mueller’s office, said in a statement, “We decline to comment out of respect for the Office of the Special Counsel and its process.”

Mr. McGahn, a longtime Republican campaign finance lawyer in Washington who served on the Federal Election Commission, was the top lawyer on Mr. Trump’s campaign. He has been involved in nearly every key decision Mr. Trump has made — like the firing of the former F.B.I. director — that is being scrutinized by Mr. Mueller.


Mr. McGahn was also concerned that firing the special counsel would incite more questions about whether the White House was trying to obstruct the Russia investigation.

Around the time Mr. Trump wanted to fire Mr. Mueller, the president’s legal team, led then by his longtime personal lawyer in New York, Marc E. Kasowitz, was taking an adversarial approach to the Russia investigation. The president’s lawyers were digging into potential conflict-of-interest issues for Mr. Mueller and his team, according to current and former White House officials, and news media reports revealed that several of Mr. Mueller’s prosecutors had donated to Democrats.

Mr. Mueller could not legally have considered political affiliations when making hiring decisions. But for Mr. Trump’s supporters, it reinforced the idea that, although Mr. Mueller is a Republican, he had assembled a team of Democrats to take down the president.

Another option that Mr. Trump considered in discussions with his advisers was dismissing the deputy attorney general, Rod J. Rosenstein, and elevating the department’s No. 3 official, Rachel Brand, to oversee Mr. Mueller. Mr. Rosenstein has overseen the investigation since March, when Attorney General Jeff Sessions recused himself.

Mr. Trump has significantly ratcheted back his criticisms of Mr. Mueller since he hired Mr. Cobb for his legal team in July. A veteran of several high-profile Washington controversies, Mr. Cobb has known Mr. Mueller for decades, dating to their early careers in the Justice Department.

He advised Mr. Trump that he had nothing to gain from combat with Mr. Mueller, a highly respected former prosecutor and F.B.I. director who has subpoena power as special counsel. Since Mr. Cobb’s arrival, the White House has operated on the premise that the quickest way to clear the cloud of suspicion was to cooperate with Mr. Mueller, not to fight him.

Nonetheless, Mr. Trump has wavered for months about whether he wants to fire Mr. Mueller, whose job security is an omnipresent concern among the president’s legal team and close aides. The president’s lawyers, including Mr. Cobb, have tried to keep Mr. Trump calm by assuring him for months, amid new revelations about the inquiry, that it is close to ending.

Mr. Trump has long demonstrated a preoccupation with those who have overseen the Russia investigation. In March, after Mr. McGahn failed to persuade Attorney General Jeff Sessions not to recuse himself from the inquiry, Mr. Trump complained that he needed someone loyal to oversee the Justice Department.

The former F.B.I. director, James B. Comey, said Mr. Trump asked him for loyalty and encouraged him to drop an investigation into his former national security adviser, Michael T. Flynn. Mr. Comey said he sidestepped those requests. He was soon fired.

In an interview with The New York Times in the Oval Office in July, the president pointedly kept open the option of firing Mr. Mueller, saying that the special counsel would be passing a “red line” if his investigation expanded to look at Mr. Trump’s finances. Mr. Trump said he never would have made Mr. Sessions the attorney general if he had known he would recuse himself from the investigation.

Last month, as Republicans were increasing their attacks on the special counsel, Mr. Trump said in an interview with The Times that he believed Mr. Mueller was going to treat him fairly.

“No, it doesn’t bother me because I hope that he’s going to be fair,” Mr. Trump said in response to a question about whether it bothered him that Mr. Mueller had not yet ended his investigation. “I think that he’s going to be fair.”

Mr. Trump added: “There’s been no collusion. But I think he’s going to be fair.”

https://mobile.nytimes.com/2018/01/25/us/politics/trump-mueller-special-counsel-russia.html?referer=

I’m going to need more butter for this delicious popcorn.
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By Bahamut.Ravael 2018-01-25 20:20:02
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Enjoy your light, light popcorn. Maybe choose a snack with more substance sometime.
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By Zerowone 2018-01-25 20:22:39
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Bahamut.Ravael said: »
Enjoy your light, light popcorn. Maybe choose a snack with more substance sometime.

I said butter, not salt.
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By Bahamut.Ravael 2018-01-25 20:26:20
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Nah, salt's only needed if there's something to put it on.
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By Ruaumoko 2018-01-25 23:08:37
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Nausi said: »
Sources are saying Obama has obtained legal counsel.

I hope by 'sources' you have something better than Hal Turner.
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By Ruaumoko 2018-01-26 02:07:49
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In other news, the benefits of Trump's tax cuts are being reported in the UK.

https://news.sky.com/story/sky-views-good-times-roll-as-trumps-tax-cuts-bring-big-bonuses-for-us-workers-11222662
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By Zerowone 2018-01-26 07:48:49
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Ruaumoko said: »
In other news, the benefits of Trump's tax cuts are being reported in the UK.

https://news.sky.com/story/sky-views-good-times-roll-as-trumps-tax-cuts-bring-big-bonuses-for-us-workers-11222662


What’s interesting is that the article doesn’t look at the the waves of lay offs that immediately followed at the companies mentioned. Might have something to do with Sky’s affiliation?

https://americaclosed.com/trumps-corporate-tax-cut-bonuses-layoffs-wal-mart-att-comcast-wells-fargo/

However, in today’s news Trump told May he won’t becoming to the UK unless she bans protests.

http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/donald-trump-tells-theresa-may-he-wont-visit-uk-unless-she-bans-protests-1656638

Because Trump is totally not a snowflake and totally doesn’t display insecurity or the leanings of an authoritarian.

Meanwhile in the world of spin and trying to portray something as nothing when it’s really something:

http://www.businessinsider.com/sean-hannity-trump-fires-mueller-new-york-times-story-2018-1

Video at the bottom of the article.

“My sources say it didn’t happen”
“Ok so my sources said it did happen... hey look a car chase!”
-exit stage left.


Such delicious popcorn.
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By Bahamut.Ravael 2018-01-26 09:11:51
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The facts I don't like appears to be the part where he ordered the firing of Mueller and where his lawyer threatened to resign. Openly considering the possibility of firing Mueller with your lawyer and outright demanding it are two vastly different things. This revelation also has zero effect on the actual investigation, and even the worst media outlets that I've seen aren't trying to imply that Mueller is even going to question Trump about it, let alone try to convict him for considering it (protip: Mueller couldn't even if he wanted to).

It's nothing more than a he said she said from anonymous sources that wanted to ensure that the story made Trump look bad, because why else would you leak that in the first place? Nothing changes. It's just another log of confirmation bias in the outrage furnace.
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By Zerowone 2018-01-26 09:52:41
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It’s more like another drop of butter on this delicious popcorn, with a bit of salt every time you immediately respond to any post that involves Trump in a negative light.
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By Bahamut.Ravael 2018-01-26 10:02:40
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Zerowone said: »
It’s more like another drop of butter on this delicious popcorn, with a bit of salt every time you immediately respond to any post that involves Trump in a negative light.

It's almost as if I'm on this forum every day, frequently responding to other people's posts. Nah, that's crazy. I'm clearly going out of my way to only respond to only one of the MSM's Trump-hating parrots, even though a majority of all political conversations in here have something to do with Trump.

You keep thinking you're special, though. It suits you.
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By Asura.Saevel 2018-01-26 10:10:14
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It's crazy fun watching the Dem's explode over the recent immigration framework. Republicans and Team Trump are willing to not only give full legalization to DACA beneficiaries along with citizenship eligibility, but also expand DACA to cover more then double the current numbers. In return they want trust fund for border protection (wall + more judges / immigration officers) and going to restrict family based immigration to only include spouses and children.

That last one blew the Dems apart and revealed that their entire "immigration" concern is just about generating more Democrat voters. Mario becoming a citizen doesn't help them a whole lot when he can't bring his brothers Raul, Antonio with their five children each and this sister Maria and her four children. That is 18 potential Democrat voters they are losing for that one measly DACA beneficiary. What use is getting a million or so DACA beneficiary's when their target is tens of millions of future Democrat voters. The entire next generation of Democrat voter is on the line here, they need those immigrants voting team Blue.
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By Siren.Mosin 2018-01-26 10:26:01
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I'm bored of trump already.
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By Bahamut.Ravael 2018-01-26 10:44:47
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Siren.Mosin said: »
I'm bored of trump already.

I expected coverage of his every word for a while, but more than a year after his election? Holy crap, give it a rest y'all.
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By Zerowone 2018-01-26 10:48:09
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Bahamut.Ravael said: »
Zerowone said: »
It’s more like another drop of butter on this delicious popcorn, with a bit of salt every time you immediately respond to any post that involves Trump in a negative light.

It's almost as if I'm on this forum every day, frequently responding to other people's posts. Nah, that's crazy. I'm clearly going out of my way to only respond to only one of the MSM's Trump-hating parrots, even though a majority of all political conversations in here have something to do with Trump.

You keep thinking you're special, though. It suits you.



Yeah you do you buddy. Oh and go *** yourself with your poorly veiled attack on my mentality capacity. Just don’t try and say that’s not what you meant.
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By Siren.Mosin 2018-01-26 10:51:00
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lol
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By Asura.Saevel 2018-01-26 11:49:47
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Bahamut.Ravael said: »
Siren.Mosin said: »
I'm bored of trump already.

I expected coverage of his every word for a while, but more than a year after his election? Holy crap, give it a rest y'all.

It's all just them trying to deflect attention away from all the ***coming out. Turns out the FBI agents investigating Hillary never intended to find anything and actually went out of their way to ensure she wasn't held accountable for anything. They fully believed she would be the next President and didn't want her administration to retaliate against them.
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By Zerowone 2018-01-26 12:16:39
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Maybe we should build the wall with her emails since y’all can’t seem to get over it.

Posts like these demonstrate you haven’t read Stzorks texts but feel free to assume what Nunes lolmemo contains with all this political theatre around.

Nunes: I wrote a 4 page memo it’s an indictment of the IC and it’s totally not motivated by people looking into my biased behavior.

-Senators, IC, General Public: Ok let us see it.

Nunes: No! It’s top secret! You will have to vote on it!

-Everyone else: It’s your memo dude nothing’s stopping you.

Nunes: No you gotta vote to release it and then President Trump has to decide.

Everyone else: oooooooooooK

Red hats: See evidence it’s gong to be good.

Everyone else: oooooooooooK
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By Bahamut.Ravael 2018-01-26 12:23:05
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By Zerowone 2018-01-26 12:38:54
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Bahamut.Ravael said: »


Coming from the guy complaining about Trump fatigue.

“Voted for Trump knowing he was idiot because screw liberals”

*Srew up is gonna screw up everyday*

“I’m tired of everyone talking about Trump is a screw up”


What you didn’t see this coming? Yeah you too are specially.
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By Asura.Saevel 2018-01-26 12:48:08
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Yep they going mental right now. All the lies they told themselves over the past two years are unraveling. The carefully constructed alternate reality that let them believe they were "The Good Guys" and on #teamhero is falling apart and all that's left is them being useful idiots.

So expect a full on psychosis to develop where they continue believing they are heroes' and those deplorable Trump supports are the true villains.
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