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Dev Tracker - Discussion
By Seun 2025-11-03 07:56:10
FFXI was developed horizontally. Most of the upgrades are really only worthwhile at the appropriate level. New players have to spend a silly amount of time and resources 'upgrading' JSE, weapons and building ultimate weapons before they even get to a point where they are useful.
Useful for what? V15+ Odyssey bosses? 8+boss Sortie runs? Sure.
New players doing endgame? I don't know how I *gave you that impression, but I am deeply sorry. Gotta respect that kind of ambition though.
By Dodik 2025-11-03 08:14:47
I think the new player experience can be improved by allowing cutscenes to be skipped entirely. Not postponed, skipped.
Other than that I think it's fine. Make some friends, help each other out.
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By Asura.Eiryl 2025-11-03 09:22:00
Cutscene (AND!) game day wait elimination would be huge.
No one ever watched them. No one ever read that ***. We all smashed enter or started using fastcs and enternity as soon as we learned about them.
Some of that ***is entirely way too god damn long. Summarize. For christs sake.
By Ovalidal 2025-11-03 10:33:45
Cutscene (AND!) game day wait elimination would be huge.
No one ever watched them. No one ever read that ***. We all smashed enter or started using fastcs and enternity as soon as we learned about them.
Some of that ***is entirely way too god damn long. Summarize. For christs sake.
I mean, I'm a huge fan of the story, read every bit of it twice. And as best I can tell, most new people who stick around for a bit do so for the story. But I do agree, there should be an option to skip it.
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By Asura.Dexprozius 2025-11-03 16:38:16
To say NO ONE ever read a cutscene once is a bit hyperbolic... Generally only mash thru them if I've already done them before
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By Asura.Splendid 2025-11-03 18:29:12
Carbuncle.Maletaru said: »Idk if you're saying the content is ***or the gear is ***but...either way I disagree.
If you're a COR, brand new to the game or returning, here's a (non exhaustive) list of events and the relevant gear you need (want). Most of this can be done in 1-3 man groups, nearly all of it with minimal gear requirements:
UNM: sailfi, kustawi, cacoethic, etc.
SR: ciphers, leyline gloves, samnuha body/legs, etc.
Vagary: defiant collar, gil, unlocks for empyrean armor
Delve: mats for JSE upgrades, gil, chaac belt
Omen: cards, scales, gil, eventually nusku shield, kishar ring, dingir, ilabrat, and iskur.
GF: carmine gear, adhemar gear, darraingers (sp) pants, herculean gear, etc.
Ambu: capes, REMA mats, ambu weapons, gil...
There are dozens of things a new player can do without needing an ounce of carrying from a veteran player. If you have 2 or 3 new players? They can do nearly everything without any help (in game). 6 players? Absolutely everything, full stop.
So...idk...start doing all that ***. Are we out here saying "there's stuff to do in this game, that's a problem for new players"? Why? They don't need to be handheld or skip over all this stuff, they can do it. They bought the game to play it, not to watch vets crush bosses they've never attacked before so they can be handed gear.
The game doesn't (have to) start at r20 nyame. I would argue that there are already too many catchup systems in place. They make new players feel like they have to skip the content and go straight to nyame and sakpata
You hit the nail on the head here. I mean, surely, there has to be at least one group of friends out there in the FFXI void that all started together fresh in 2025 with no prior knowledge of the game actually attempting to clear content in order...right? Deep down I feel like the answer is no, but I really want the answer to be yes.
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By Phoenix.Capuchin 2025-11-03 19:01:27
The answer is absolutely yes. I'm in a Discord with some of them playing on Bahamut, have been all year. They've done missions together, failed Divine Might together, figured out BCNMs so they can afford their expensive stuff like Phalanx scrolls that seem very out of reach (lol they told me Bahamut prices recently shot up to 600k, and sure enough they did), had fun doing avatar fights, exp parties almost exclusively outside of Escha leveling.
They give zero shits about any of my complaints about Sortie, Limbus and AF/Relic+4, how long it takes to get ML (when you don't bot), all that stuff.
I've also seen several returning players in my own linkshells. Couple people who haven't regularly played in years came back, getting geared up, regularly come to events or do social stuff with others in the ls. We need to go do a few Kei runs soon to get our returning RDM an Ammurapi Shield), we've been going into Dyna [D] with some people's jobs that never got the wave 1 clear.
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By Carbuncle.Maletaru 2025-11-03 20:33:39
I mean, surely, there has to be at least one group of friends out there in the FFXI void that all started together fresh in 2025 with no prior knowledge of the game actually attempting to clear content in order...right? Deep down I feel like the answer is no, but I really want the answer to be yes.
I've heard of a couple examples, most notably the one Capuchin mentioned, but also...it doesn't need to be 6, it doesn't need to be in order, it doesn't need to be 100% together.
Just grab 1 friend and do ***together. Or send a message in your linkshell(s) and ask if anyone wants to work on Kamavacas. Or whatever. Don't let perfect be the enemy of good. I see lots of comments on here and reddit of people saying they can't do endgame because they can't commit to a static of 6 players going for 3 hours 7 days a week and I think that completely misses the point.
Other people think they need to get up to like 5 REMAs, ranked ody gear, and 5/5 of all their JSE+3 before they can start grouping up. *** that, group up from day 1. There are plenty of players in your situation who would love to group up with you, and you can also loop in a veteran player (or 2 or 3) too, if they're available and want to go with you. It really doesn't need to be such a SRS BSNS thing.
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