Dev Tracker - Discussion

They babbled about changing the nm tabulation period from weekly to monthly before, so that's probably part of what they're doing.

Ask and yee shall receive.



Never got the polearm. Also not done more than ~10 VD Odins.

Across my chars:
Geir 3/6
Zant 3/6
ZanX 6/6
Helm 6/6
Body 6/6
Freke 6/6
Gere 4/6

Odin ALL/ALL on all 8 characters that I have access to (tho some only part time).

About half of that was Trove tho.

I did enough Odin runs to get 6 Gere rings and a couple bodies/helms. Weapons are a bit meh now days in any case.

The Lilith change is welcome and I hope it means some kind of token system like we had for NNI. I just started working seriously on Malignance for my two alts, both 4/5, and it's so tedious once you get down to that last piece (twice! Jesus). Older content shouldn't be such a pain.

The Shinryu fight should be fixed, too, but I almost feel like that's S-E trolling players and the intent is to be actively hostile. 30 merits and multiple items with 1% drop rates? GTFO.

They’ll troll and add Shinryu stuff to potpourri. To unlock it though means trading in all of the old Twilight stuff, then 100,000 potpourri for Crepuscular Ring/Ear/Ammo. 250k for weapons and 500k for armor pieces.

Anything in potpourri is too easy to be a troll.

Leaving it as is, is the best troll they can do. You'll never top getting morons to go 0/1000 on a cloak.
(tie is possible, 0/1000 coruscanti/mura/ephem from vw is pretty troll too)

Really happy to see changes. It takes far too long to max out coalitions, and unless you're building Epeolatry and/or Idris, there's little incentive outside of a +1 ring and Ygnas trust. Hopefully this means more players will max these.

Malignance gear is a massive hurdle for returning players. Soloing for weeks is awful and I hated doing it. I have some pieces left on my mules that I might grind for if they make it easy enough.

Hopefully they give players more incentive to tackle the Limbus NMs. As it is currently, a full run can take a while for an average group, and wasting time on the NMs only makes it worse. Fair enough if you're running for hours and don't care, but some groups are content in avoiding them altogether to keep runs simple and quicker.


Said this a few times before. The two main reasons they won't change Shinryu is:

1) The entry system sucks. They know it and won't fix it because it means moving it away from that specific battlefield.

2) The low drop rates encourages players to do AMAN Trove. This means making extra characters to take advantage, which is more money in their pocket. The carrot is dangled so high that players resort to a form of "pay 2 win" to get the Crep gear. It remains a benefit for them to keep it as it is.

Oh shoot, I posted when I obtained Malignance gear, the month of when it was released.

I was over 0/3000 on Coruscanti!

But I bet the drop rate wasn't that bad in general, I'm probably the exception to the rule.

I know you're joking but there are people who think like this. It amuses me because what's the point of turning gatekeeping into a hazing ritual for new people? It boggles my mind. Then folks complain it's hard to find new people.

However, my favorite complaint of the day: It's too hard to find a tank! (But no one complains abot how power creep invalidates the tanks and emboldens meathead DDs!)

Anyway, I digress. When I was farming Malignance ~8 characters. I got 8 sets of 9/9 Maiden items from 1011 runs. The highest character was like 9/211 runs but one character was an astonishing 9/43 runs.

One character could only hold 75 merits while the others could hold 60 merits, so Every 4 runs, I bought in that 75 merit character and for some reason, they just got all of their 9 Malignance Maiden items in as ~43 runs.

I dunno, I'm less interested in easier loot and am more interested in new mechanics (that may or may not appear with AF/Relic +5). Let me Beastmaster apply a party-wide pet buff damn it!

I think aman live mentioned adding a Malignance Kupon as a drop from the fight. Quick, easy, and effective as long as the drop rate isn't stupid low.

Really wish SE would at least give us english transcripts of the aman live stuff after the fact.

Just my personal opinion, but Ygnas trust is well worth the effort, even if it means suffering through adoulin/mog gardens etc. He's by far the best trust in the game outside of Cornelia. I didn't used to have him but after i returned to the game since my last break, I decided to finally get everything done. The +1 ring was the icing on the cake (I chose Shneddick, so +1 has no improvement), but having Ygnas access makes everything I could possibly want to do so much easier. You will also always have a dedicated healer for Gaol solo RP runs and other stuff (Monberaux can't keep up healing AAEV with high Moogle Mastery), something you won't have if you rely on a UC healer. Also allows you to use Sylvie for DD jobs. Ygnas is really a amazing reward and I would encourage players to finish Adoulin, if not for Epeolatry or Idris, definitely for him (unless you multibox, then trusts don't matter).

Honestly about time they adjusted the Ergon weapon grind, hopefully its a significant reduction in imprimatur timer.

Idris and Epeo 6month grind is just absurd at this point, given how key they are to their respective jobs.

Agreed. Ygnas is great, but most players won't go through a six month grind to get it.

Damn *** right I won't. If it is anything more than half of the amount of imps I won't do it still.

I can't really imagine more than a few hours off. What's the rate... every 6 hours?

They ain't cutting it in half or making it 5 minutes.

(*) Actually, it probably will be half. But not half of the base, half after all the shovels. 90 off the top and 3 per at gold shovel.

3 months seems reasonable. It takes about that long to gather currencies for most ultimate weapons via ambuscade, omen, campaigns, ect. if you're farming normally.

Current:
Bronze shovel cordon: Increases the accumulation rate of imprimaturs by reducing the generation time to 5.5 hours.
Bronze mattock cordon: Increases the maximum number of imprimaturs which can be stored by 1, for a maximum of 16.
Silver shovel cordon: Increases the accumulation rate of imprimaturs by reducing the generation time to 5 hours.
Silver mattock cordon: Increases the maximum number of imprimaturs which can be stored by 2, for a maximum of 18.
Golden shovel cordon: Increases the accumulation rate of imprimaturs by reducing the generation time to 4.5 hours.

The level it would have to be for me to even consider bothering:
Bronze shovel cordon: Increases the accumulation rate of imprimaturs by reducing the generation time to 3.5 hours.
Bronze mattock cordon: Increases the maximum number of imprimaturs which can be stored by 3, for a maximum of 18.
Silver shovel cordon: Increases the accumulation rate of imprimaturs by reducing the generation time to 3 hours.
Silver mattock cordon: Increases the maximum number of imprimaturs which can be stored by 6, for a maximum of 24.
Golden shovel cordon: Increases the accumulation rate of imprimaturs by reducing the generation time to 2.5 hours.

well. It takes 6 months to even get to the gold shovel, so I don't know what the realistic time from day zero will actually be.

It's a shitload of work for bronze silver and gold shovels.

I made my Idris(s) without even having them

“A shitload of work” = ~30 minutes a day every 3 days as your imprims refill. Some ops arent even 3 minutes between accept to turnin. Its just a long time gate.

Getting golden cordon shovel means spending a lot of time and effort doing every single quest in Adoulin.

Being legend in all coalitions is child's play compared to how much effort all those quests are.

Great for ergon weapons though.

Just read this stuff, I really don’t think coalition was time consuming or hard, yes it took 6 months, but at 1 hour a week you could do it, with the quest at the same time. I thought the mog garden was as long and that’s not mentioned. Also a lot more pointlessly annoying in my opinion.

I welcome the Kupon for the people that gave up on the last item, not concerned but that will help them.

Also welcome some change to limbus, if you play 90 minutes a day, that’s a speedy work to get both limbus zone done, so yeah those NM get skip every single time. Maybe killing a NM should give you that wing KI, I don’t know something got to change for people to actually have the desire to hunt them down.

*Tinfoil Hat Time*

They plan on nerfing GEO so hard on the future limbus nms that this is the least they could do.

The thing is though, why bother at all? The silver cordons literally require you to have already finished with coalitions and then some: complete all legendary rank assignments, and all assignments including legendary (except the ones that aren't available any more.)

"Hey, congrats on finishing with coalition assignments - here, now you can do coalition assignments faster."

Even bronze is pretty bad. Complete 68/90 unique assignments to store one extra imprimatur. Complete all assignments up to and including rank 5 (out of 7) to get imprimaturs 8.33% faster.

If you do coalitions to get bayld, sure, those key items are great, but if you're just in it to be done with them, they're too little too late.

Ideally, they'd just tie it to rhapsody in (whatever the 9th one is), and give the same sort of ridiculously strong timer effect they did for assault and others. It's not like the time gate serves a purpose besides making the job exclusive. You can have a mythic in the first ~10 days of playtime unless I'm overlooking something, don't see a reason Idris/Epeo should be different.

The only "problem" with "essentially infinite" Imps

"essentially infinite HP Bayld"

I could see 20 taru bots running kill 5 twitherym every 10 minutes being an issue.

How much gil:hour would 6 bots doing survey Kahmir make? 8400*6*6 It's 300k an hour, 30 HP Bayld

It's only like 100k per hour I guess, but I still don't see them letting it go like that.

I see bots doing Lair reieves for HP Bayld already, if they had infinite imps to get the coalition they'd 4x their output

instead of reducing the time between imps, could just make it so the final rhapsody KI reduces how many imps are needed to rank up a coalition, 10 instead of 20. halved the Ergon making time, no effect on economy?

Nothing has "no effect" on the economy. But it would be a better option.

The act of making ergon easier to get affects the economy.

Lowering the imp timer directly puts some amount of more HP Bayld into circulation, making ergon easier, makes ergon even easier. So that makes the most sense, just knowing how much easier, is what matters.