I had literally hundreds of characters banned for farming cruor, for a while I would just burn up a fresh alliance every week while my last alliance farmed. Gil price was high enough that the account cost was negligible.
Not really comparable though, different eras. I personally think anyone ballsy enough to bot limbus heavy hours in the early weeks is an idiot and will be banned.
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theres a difference between using throwaways vs a multi PREAM character.
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After 2nd set of zones came out and before the 3rd set you had an alliance going in miseraux for ages, I thought that was the same set of characters you had when delve came (galkas)
I had an alliance of throwaways that changed periodically, the galkas leeched there for their own jobs but didn't ever farm.
So the leeches never got banned, only the melee and healer?
K123 said: » So the leeches never got banned, only the melee and healer? I don't think you should use banning practices from
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Lakshmi.Buukki said: » So basically they're turning the trust system back into the abandoned fellow system they should have taken all the way. Should just release Moogle Mastery globally; restricting it to Odyssey is weird. Also, just adding shields or whatever, they'll still get wrecked. Anyways, it sounds like Limbus will be kind of open-world content like Apex/Locus mobs. I loved the fellow system, it had a ton of potential but they just stopped updating it and it fell apart.
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Shiva.Thorny said: » My theory is that a metric shitton of people are going to immediately start a farmbot in there then be shocked when SE bans them because it's their precious new content and they ruined it for everyone else. I don't think it'll be that simple as farm 1 MILLION monsters to do X. We've had several "open world" type content areas, Abyssea, Neo-Dynamis and Escha and they all had a common theme, popped boss fights for items and upgrades. I think it'll be each of the "towers" or "floors" gonna have some sort of boss that we pop after farming up items from the monsters, kill that for a KI or other pop item. At the top will be Apex-Ultima and Apex-Omega that we need to build popsets for. The only serious bots I see are people running around with WHM, BRD and GEO mules as they do stuff. They specifically say anyone can jump in solo, but who knows.
I think it's DI style shared boss fights. Dodik said: » They specifically say anyone can jump in solo, but who knows. I think it's DI style shared boss fights. Anyone can pop in solo into those previous areas, especially after they made trusts. I imagine having dozens of 1hr DI NM's in two zones is something FFXI's servers can handle. There might be some other component where you can chose to have a floor boss spawn as open or not. Remember neither limbus zone is a big flat area but instead a bunch of smaller broken up areas you teleport around to. It's a truly massive area. I can also see having a few separate DI style boss's thrown in, just not dozens. I have a really important question. What color box will +4 be?
Walk of echoes style seems more likely than old dyna or abyssea open world. KI needed to enter, shared sub-zones that multiple groups can attempt at the same time, no time limit but once the sub-zone is clear you get kicked out and can claim personal rewards.
There may not be a specific lockout, but if it requires two different KI to enter, I will be genuinely surprised if there is no timer for either of them. If there's a chance they'll re-use the old KI's, you asura folks might wanna get black, white, and red cards ahead of time. Ultimaetus said: » I have a really important question. What color box will +4 be? It's achully green purple red or orange, I forget the order
Meeble said: » Walk of echoes style seems more likely than old dyna or abyssea open world. KI needed to enter, shared sub-zones that multiple groups can attempt at the same time, no time limit but once the sub-zone is clear you get kicked out and can claim personal rewards. There may not be a specific lockout, but if it requires two different KI to enter, I will be genuinely surprised if there is no timer for either of them. I was kindof reading it based on this and prior comments to be closer to WoE, also, but idk that they've been clear enough on it. The lack of time limit is a little puzzling, but they can limit progress other ways, like limiting how much currency you can acquire within a day or per entry. I'd be surprised if it's just go in and have at it as long as you want without some kind of limitation to keep going in daily/weekly/whatever Asura.Saevel said: » Lakshmi.Buukki said: » So basically they're turning the trust system back into the abandoned fellow system they should have taken all the way. Should just release Moogle Mastery globally; restricting it to Odyssey is weird. Also, just adding shields or whatever, they'll still get wrecked. Anyways, it sounds like Limbus will be kind of open-world content like Apex/Locus mobs. I loved the fellow system, it had a ton of potential but they just stopped updating it and it fell apart. I feel like the Fellow system was the preview version of the Trust system, kinda how pulse bodies were the version before GEO existed. Shame though, I actually enjoyed putting effort into "another character" the non-multibox way and thought it had tons of upside. Imagine if all the things Trusts could do you could program your fellow to do based on an expanded system (COR one day, healer another, Tank, etc etc) Lakshmi.Buukki said: » I feel like the Fellow system was the preview version of the Trust system, kinda how pulse bodies were the version before GEO existed. Shame though, I actually enjoyed putting effort into "another character" the non-multibox way and thought it had tons of upside. Imagine if all the things Trusts could do you could program your fellow to do based on an expanded system (COR one day, healer another, Tank, etc etc) Was kinda what i wanted for a final send off to the fellow system was some kind of alternating trust that you could set as a attacker/healer/tank by talking to them like you did when they were a fellow, but i know thad be too much to code in since it can be multiple race/weapon/armor combinations but even if thy had just trimmed it down to it can only use this weapon/that armor for the role ida taken it. Lakshmi.Buukki said: » I feel like the Fellow system was the preview version of the Trust system I would love to be able to turn my 119 Fellow into a Trust. Soothing Healer cures you and buffs you outside of combat, removes debuffs intelligently and actually does decent damage (I have mine set up with a Great Axe and they outdamage any DD Trust that isn't named Shantotto by miles).
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It's been a while since I tried this, and I think I tossed both of my signal pearls, but you can't use Fellows with trusts, right? Like you can have an avatar, wyvern, jug or charmed pet, or an automaton along with 5 trusts (as a solo) as an extra body, but Fellows aren't allowed?
It would have been cool if you could turn them into trusts. haven't seen anyone comment on the 23rd anniversary wallpaper they released. I am definitely not a fan of those SOB taru kids but for some reason I don't mind the art so much.
If you have a fellow out you can't use trusts and vice versa.
Fellows were great, definitely not happening though, they are a lot of work to implement.
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Carbuncle.Nynja said: » If theres a Cheer effect that tells Qultada to stop interrupting skillchains with Burning Blade, lmk. Impossible: We all got a little Naji in us after all.
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Hope Fast Blade II can get added to windower libs. Couldn't figure out how to add it myself. Some addons won't acknowledge FB2's existence.
Edit: Nvm, somehow it works now. Asura.Yso said: » Hope Fast Blade II can get added to windower libs It was added sometime during the past 16 hours or so, together with Dragon Blow.
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Shiva.Thorny said: » They've typically had upticks in banning around new content releases, it would be foolish to assume it's safe to go hard on it immediately. Asura.Iamaman said: » I was kindof reading it based on this and prior comments to be closer to WoE, also, but idk that they've been clear enough on it. The lack of time limit is a little puzzling, but they can limit progress other ways, like limiting how much currency you can acquire within a day or per entry. I'd be surprised if it's just go in and have at it as long as you want without some kind of limitation to keep going in daily/weekly/whatever Walk of echoes handles that by not giving you any meaningful rewards until you finish a sub zone and exit to the lobby area. That kind of setup would be ideal for how the Limbus zone was already laid out, assuming they did not have the time and/or budget for turning the old discrete limbus areas into something more contiguous or cohesive as an open world zone. New/solo players with trusts can take their time, veteran players can speedrun, or potentially multiple groups can be in a subzone working on it at the same time. It would be a nice way to avoid the frustration of undergeared segment/muffin farming for new players and returnees.
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WoE model does seem like a good way to make it interactive and still unlimited. I like.
It does sound to me more like "upgrading AF and Relic to +3 more easily" than "upgrading relic and AF to +4"
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