Random Politics & Religion #22

And he could take millions with him... don't forget that we have plenty of US soldiers in the area as well...

Who is denying it's existence?

By the way, saying that it isn't as prevalent as it once was is not the same as denying it's existence. That's just as bad as somebody saying that, by saying the data is wrong because it is altered to fit a specific narrative, one is denying global warming exists. Which happens here...a lot.

Then why are people protesting about Trump's tax returns? Why are people protesting Trump's presidency? Why are colleges boycotting conservative speakers?

All those things are pointless, and by your standards, are pretty pointless stuff to justify their viewpoints. So, why aren't you condemning them, who are actively protesting, and why are you attacking me, who is not protesting at all?

Kettle, meet pot.

Hmm, sounds personal.

Not sure I agree. I think he regime enjoys a nice life, bt clearly knows how pissed off the rest of the world is at them.

I think he knows the clock is ticking, we're looking at John travolta in broken arrow. If the fun is gonna end, why not take out Japan before someone stops the ride?

Their just blustering for their own population. NK lacks the required military technology to deliver their warhead. People think building a nuclear bomb is hard, it's not, anyone with a basic knowledge of physics and machinery can build one. The hard part is creating enough highly fissionable material (weapons grade) to make it actually go boom, and then finding a way to accurately deliver it to the target location. In WWII the Japanese saw the single plane coming and decided it wasn't a big enough threat to bother with since at that time the US would use large bomber formations. Rocket science is hard, GPS isn't trustworthy because it can easily be jammed and you can't fly in a straight line because that can be easily intercepted, so instead you need to find a way to get a missile into orbit on a seemingly random trajectory while not getting lost and then launching it's warhead at the target on an unpredictable angle and actually hitting it. That's why they keep shooting missiles off, each one is a test of some component and each launch teach's them something new. They aren't a threat now but give them fifty years or so and they might actually be capable of accurately hitting a western target.

Seoul on the other hand is a different story. There is no way in hell NK is going to be able to deliver such a weapon without it being noticed and shot out of the sky first. Every NK missile / artillery site is well known by CFC and there is an absurd amount of AA pointed at those sites, the moment anything gets near the DMZ it gets shot down. The real threat is NK smuggling a package into SK via Chinese fishing vessels through the under patrolled western sea border and then having that package smuggled into Seoul via a SK sympathizer or sleeper agent.

And yes if a country use's a nuke on a NATO country the rules change and the concept of "limited warfare" goes out the window, it becomes a full scale war in which the entire arsenal of the US with whatever pitiful amount the NATO allies provide, gets unloaded. Yes the US Military already has a plan exactly for that scenario.

Yes we do, but it's hard to justify a huge loss of life from your own troops in a land invasion when the whole thing would be over with the removal of one lunatic man-child in a tactical missile strike. On top of that, I would be surprised if we don't already have every known military installation in NK mapped out and ready to be bombed with the push of a button.

yes let's

because it's another classic example of trying to project the ideas of one person to include an entire movement or group of people.

in the same way that we don't want to be associated with every neo nazi that ever tattooed a swastika on his face.

we can make fun of remo's 'everyone is a little racist" without trying to persecute him for the thought crimes of some dingbat on some college campus that none of us go to

He strikes me a a gigantic *** child for some reason. Basically a spoiled brat who no one ever had the balls to put in his place because North Koreans seem to believe he's a living god. His head looks like it's made of ground sausage.

Here's a question; let's say NK attempts a nuclear strike on an ally of ours and we nuke the capital in response. In such a case, the government heads are most likely vapor so, who officially surrenders and how are the surviving areas ruled and governed?

Those Russian bombers keep encroaching on Alaska.
Kim Jung Un threatening the nukes.
Jason Chaffetz announces he's not going to run for office again then 2 days later says he's thinking of stepping down prematurely from office

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People have denied it many times on this forum... not just saying that it's less prevalent...

It is pointless... it's one thing to hold your president accountable for his actions but just ramping up because you don't like something with no actual weight behind it is pointless... the reaction from the left to his election has been bonkers and they should refocus their efforts in a more constructive way than just yelling impeach and grabbing on to any little thing they can... while it has been customary it is not required for a president to release his tax returns so it is a nothing burger... I for one think these pointless actions hurt them more than help them...

I still don't get what you'd protest... you gonna stand in the puddle across from the hippies saying they're hippy *** are what's wrong with America? Go for it?

How so? I've been more than ready to admit some of my successes have been supported by outside influences... I've never complained on here that I'm unsuccessful because of the rich white man or any other has affected my career path... I also don't blanket the entire conservative base with any one negative viewpoint shared by a minority of the base... so how is the pot calling the kettle black here?

He said progressives on here will take this ***seriously... I responded dumbfounded as it seems silly that anyone would take anything he says seriously... it's a valid response to him calling out a specific group of people on this site... sounds like you guys are just a bit sensitive about it lol...

We wouldn't need to nuke NK. It would be overkill, and the risk of fallout to SK would discourage the use of nukes. I really do believe this is a simple case of cutting off the head of the snake. There may be other scumbags in Kim's circle, but the moment that they suffer a military defeat you can negotiate strict terms of surrender.

I was never talking about any kind of land ivasion by the US... I was talking about the fallout from NKs reaction would include more than just loss of life from SK or Japan and the we have plenty of soldiers that could die as well from an initial attack...

Hey old man, I can't prefix every *** thing I say with disclaimers. My use of "libs" is nebulous. I obviously don't mean all libs, but don't use that as an excuse to think this ***isn't being widely taught in many college campuses.

I kinda get the feeling he'd only stick to said terms till he got back on his feet. Simply put, I believe the Kim Jongs should be permanently removed from power. But that's just me...Plus I think it'd be funny, imagine if he didn't even have to die. Kim goes from being a living god, boasting his "successes", and having any woman he wanted to living in exile, a sad husk of a man, jerking it in some cheap apartment somewhere.

None of you guys get the impression he'd just nuke himself if it came down to it?

Can you name names at least? Sourcing it (you know, actually showing the posts they stated as such) would be helpful too.

By the way, being critical on the level of racism and who are the racists is not the same as denying it....

I know what you are referring to, and I'll tell you what the solution was. It's called law enforcement, since they were protesting on private property during a permitted construction on property that the landowner authorized construction of (we were building a god damn pier for a small boat, the plan was to make the puddle into a fishing pond for recreation). It was still done, regardless of what they did.

Like I stated before, I'm not "worked up" about anything. If I was, I wouldn't be posting about it here, I would be out there doing something about it.


You can't say this:

And, in the same breath, state this:

It makes you very hypocritical.

Yes, Savael is a little abrasive on how the liberals are, but his points are still valid, and if you even paid a shred of attention outside your little bubble and looked at what is happening on a national level, you would see that his examples...well, they are true, and happening (mainly in coastal areas) in this nation.

North Korea as it is now seems like what happens when a cult leader gets put in charge of a country.

Yeah, I figured that out after I replied, but no edit button and all that.... Still, I don't think NK would get a chance to retaliate. Even if you don't buy the notion that taking out Kim first would end any chance of retaliation, we would have anti-missile tech ready and/or we would just do a simultaneous hit on all military installations that pose a retaliatory threat.

Trump's already used a $170,000 solution in Afghanistan. It would be just as cheap to use it in Pyongyang (although using it on a city would be pretty bad, better save it for when The Little One is on a military base).

When I said cut off the head of the snake, I meant taking him out. I highly doubt we'd leave him alive if he nuked anyone. But yeah, your scenario of him living a life fallen from grace sounds like better poetic justice.

I thought "gangster" was more appropriate.

We do, it gets practiced twice every year around March and August. I happened to of been rather instrumental in the execution of that practice.

Sorry for how long this is going to be, but it's necessary to understand this situation in a broad sense.

First of all, everyone stop thinking any of the "Kim"s are crazy, weak, stupid or insane. They are all very rational, very calculating and very ruthless leaders, you can't survive in their world being anything less. You must see the world from the point of view of both them and their supporters. No world leader has any power based solely on themselves, they all require supporters who empower them and enable them to administer something as large as a country. The day KJU decided to guarantee the destruction of NK would be his last day alive as his supporters would arrange for him to be poisoned or die of "natural causes". This fact is what drove Stalin into his paranoid purges, he was always afraid one of his subordinate leaders would have him killed.

Now KJU and his supporters enjoy a fantastic standard of living, even though their country is starving and falling apart, these guys live an extremely comfortable lifestyle. They like that lifestyle, they enjoy that absolute power that goes with their position, and the last thing they want to do is jeopardize either of those things. Lets talk about NK power politics and how the political elite can maintain power for so long. It's because they are still "at war", there was never a peace treaty signed. As long as they are "at war" they can justify any action to their own people and not worry about civil unrest or an internal war, the things that typically remove authoritarian dictators from power. NK citizens are exposed to propaganda every day of their lives, from birth to death. The propaganda is about how evil the western nations are, about how their taking all the food of the world and leaving poor Asian countries to starve. About how South Korea is the abused dog of the western countries and gets food from them as long as they act like servants, and how the great Kim family won't ever allow North Korea to become some western powers slave. How the Kim family is fighting every day to protect the people of North Korea from western slavery and moral destruction. There are entire histories taught in NK schools about how great NK is and how it's the duty of all citizens to report any disloyal behavior to the NK police for "reeducation". Some pretty Orwellian ***going on in there, absolute Socialist / Communist ideology being applied. Because "money" is really just government paper for obtaining goods from government stores, it's mostly worthless. Food is the real currency of that country.

Now imagine the people's reaction if they ever learned it's all a lie, a completely *** job from their own government to keep them as slaves. If anyone harnessed that ***it would start a civil war that would end the NK regimes power hold and thus their living status. The government has their own population under such a large thumb that there is absolutely zero chance of a home grown civil war starting. Anyone who would have the power to start such a civil war is immediately executed / assassinated, even if they live outside the country. This is why his half brother was killed, he could of been used as a rival leader who's legitimacy exceeded KJU's due to him being the older brother. So absolutely no insiders starting civil war, leads only outsiders starting it. All their actions are to ensure no outsider decides to start ***inside their country. No SK infiltrators, no Western allies arming guerrilla forces, nobody outside their country *** with ***inside their country. And as an absolute last resort, to ensure nobody actually attempts to invade them in an opportunistic moment of weakness, they want to possess the most dependable of deterrents from invasion, nuclear weapons. Nobody is stupid enough to actually invade a nuclear armed nation without first ensuring that nations nuclear arsenal wont' be used against them.

So I hope people can see, all that ***you see NK doing is to deter anyone from invading while also giving something for them to demonstrate to their own population on their state owned news agency. All those stupid grandiose speeches they give and military demonstrations they do, it's all televised to their location populations who are mandated to watch it and often cheer along.

His theme song would be Viva la Vida... But just the first few lyrics.

LOL

When some are arguing the level is so low it's neglible it's not necessarily denying so much as acting like it's not really a problem but no I'm not talking about people just debating the level of racism in the US...

When it comes to racism I'm not talking so much about someone calling someone else by a slur or something similar but the engine that and actions of those that affect people's lives when it comes to jobs and very basic things in their lives... and whether or not some people realize that things like this are happening on a fairly significant scale they are..

Just because things are better now doesn't mean the work isn't over...

Calling the cops seems like a rational solution... I'm still confused as to what you be out "doing about it" if you were actually worked up...

I may be a hypocrite at times about some things on different levels it's definitely a trap I fall into at times... I don't really see how I am in this case as nothing I've said about saev isn't true... not to mention that it has nothing to do about my own self worth impeding my ability to have an objective conversation about this specific topic...

And don't get me wrong KN some liberals are *** crazy people that really do more harm to the cause than good I'm not saying they don't but the things saev attributes to the whole has no real basis in reality like many things he says...

Flavin, you seriously need to learn how to quote.

I'm willing to concede your point about prejudice vs. racist.

I'll sit over here being Wrongy McWrong from Wrong Way St. in Wrongsville, Wrongkota.

Dude... everyone knows it's Katy Perry's Firework.

Oh this is nothing new, Kim Il Sung started this ***decades ago. Major Kim Il Sung was an officer in the Russian military and was organizing and leading the Korean guerrilla forces in resistances to the Japanese occupation. Near the end of WWII he was put in charge of the Russian Area of Operations in Korea which extended from Korea's northern border to the 38th parallel. From the 38th parallel to Korean's southern ocean border was the USA's Area of Operation. There was an invasion plan made that involved the Russians and Americans having a combined invasion of Japan over it's western ocean border, that invasion never happened as the Empire of Japan unconditionally surrendered. Part of that surrender was that the Empire ceased to exist and Japan forfeited all it's imperial territories, including the territory of Korea. Korea was then supposed to have an election to determine it's future as the Japanese had long since destroyed any semblance of the former Monarchy. Kin Il Sung decided he didn't like the idea of not being in charge and declared his forces would not go along with the allies original plans. Both Russia and China supported his decision while the rest of the allies condemned it. This later lead to the Korean war when Kim Il Sung decided he could reunify Korea if he acted fast enough, he failed and we now have two Korea's.

Kin Il Sung was schooled in the Soviet concept of government where the idea of "trust" was rather flexible and anything was justifiable as long as it was in the best interests of the state. He implemented many of the Stalinist and Maoist tactics around state propaganda and indoctrination of its' citizens. He created a cult of personality centered on himself known as "Great Leader" and the great liberator of Korea, his military forces were fanatically loyal to him. This cult passed onto his son Kim Jung Il, known as "Dear Leader" who continued his practices, it was eventually passed onto his son Kim Jung Un known as "Dear Respected" or "The Martial".

So this ***goes back decades and is a poster child for what happens when a society takes Socialism / Progressivism to it's literal interpretation. Community above Individualism quickly turns into State above Individual turns into "Political Elite" above "everyone else". Without any sort of check on power, those in office quickly consolidate that power and make it absolute and forever. This pattern happened multiple times, all in communist countries and is a lesson on why nobody should trust the government to do whats ethically right.