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By Sylph.Cherche 2017-04-20 15:04:03
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Asura.Kingnobody said: »
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Or they were in the right place at the right time. Like my girlfriends dads job at Boeing.
And it had nothing to do with his education, skill, and negotiating power?

All of it was luck, or "being in the right place at the right time"?
Of course there are standards to be met. You're being stupidly obtuse.

Considering the internet wasn't really a thing at the time, yes. This isn't as large of a factor these days because the internet exists. Although expecting people to be able to afford a potentially huge move to a more expensive place is ridiculous.

If he wasn't in SoCal as he was graduating college, he wouldn't have gotten his position at Boeing. And the only reason he was there was because he was sent to SoCal to live with his mothers family while his parents were getting divorced in MiseryMissouri.

Currently, Boeing has been downsizing pretty hard and last ones in are the first ones out. Meaning people who may be relatively close to him in job performance are being booted out simply because they haven't been there as long.
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By Lakshmi.Flavin 2017-04-20 15:06:42
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Sure KN, just read the Comey testimony. Also, that trash blog's defense of Carter Page was full of hopes and dreams, no debunking of anything there. Those blogs you like to post are not actual evidence.

Its funny you think that the revelations coming out every week against Manafort and Page that further implicate the Trump campaign, which is doing its best to run away from those two (there is no running away from a former campaign manager btw) somehow indict Obama and Clinton, when there is no evidence to suggest they were involved at all.

Nothing credible has implicated Obama or his team of any wrongdoing. Susan Rice? Did nothing wrong.
You mean Comey saying that they are using "credible sources" that turns out to be this very dossier? Sure bub, keep pinning your hopes and dreams on a Trump impeachment.

I'm glad for you, though, that you stopped striking out parts you don't agree with in hopes of thinking those words were never written. Improvement.

Now, next thing on the schedule is teaching you to read before you speak. That would save you a lot of embarrassment in the long wrong.

You are still wrong though, and easily proven wrong.
If it's so easy why don't you actually prove him wrong then? I mean you usually just reply to his post telling him that's he's wrong, give yourself a pat on th back and then wait for him to do it again... I mean you even take the time to change his name in the quote for no good reason other then I guess to fit in telling him he's wrong again? Just seems like you disagree with him but put forth the same amount of evidence for it then claim superiority...
Except I do, all the time.

I provide evidence, he doesn't accept it because it doesn't come from Mother Jones or Weekly World News. It doesn't mean I'm wrong and he is right, it means that he is willfully ignorant and wishes to stay that way to keep living in his alternate reality.
It doesn't mean your wrong or that he's right but you haven't done anything to prove that he's wrong and you're right... the "evidence" you've provided isn't conclusive or evidence at all... it's really the equivalence of Vic saying something like read this article on how trump can be impeached for the things he's done... so you know... conflicting opinions not evidence...
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By Viciouss 2017-04-20 15:07:35
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Who proved the entire dossier to be false again? No one? It is simply one piece of evidence, that hasn't been debunked by anyone.

Also, the FISA warrant on Page was issued legally, and had nothing to do with the Obama Administration. Its not "highly illegal." Whats your basis for that opinion again? Oh, that trash blog you posted listed out the requirements to obtain a FISA warrant, where is the evidence those requirements weren't met? No where? Where is the evidence the FISA court acted incorrectly? Made up? Where is the evidence that Clinton was involved? Made up?

Grassley sent Comey after reading an article. Not evidence of any wrongdoing. Simply asked questions. Thats all you have, questions. Not actual evidence.
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By Lakshmi.Flavin 2017-04-20 15:13:25
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Shiva.Nikolce said: »
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Harry Potter

wait a second... are you contending that jk rowling, writing a wildly popular series of children's books, was based soley on luck, of which there is a finite amount of, and by coming up with HP she somehow lessened the physical amount of this luck in the form of other luck based ideas that are only possible through luck and that's why you aren't successful?
Cmon now nik... some of it is just timing and exposure for stuff like that... what's popular now other not have been before or might not continue to be but if you hit it at the right time... can you say Justin Bieber would have found success were it not for YouTube? What about 50 shades of Grey? Are you contending that it's a masterful work of art worthy of praise that someone put their utmost into?

Some famous artists were quite unlucky during their time and didn't receive much praise or reward for their work that's worth millions now...

There's an author I read named Paulo coehlo who's first book sold about as well as Shia leboufs new movie until years later when it ended up selling over a million copies...

This isn't to say that work, effort or personal responsibility for ones actions don't play a role but in many cases there are some elements out of the control of a person...
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By Sylph.Cherche 2017-04-20 15:19:11
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Man, remember how wealthy Van Gogh's work made him?

Oh right, despite his immense skill and dedication, he died rather poor. But hey, his work is damn near priceless now so it's cool.
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By Shiva.Shruiken 2017-04-20 15:23:09
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I don't know what we're talking about up in here but luck is real i'm like 0/105 on the kraken club bcnM
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By fonewear 2017-04-20 15:29:30
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Luck is pretty good in Fallout New Vegas...
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By fonewear 2017-04-20 15:30:41
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Shiva.Shruiken said: »
I don't know what we're talking about up in here but luck is real i'm like 0/105 on the kraken club bcnM
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By Shiva.Shruiken 2017-04-20 15:32:32
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speaking of towelie happy 4/20 friends



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By fonewear 2017-04-20 15:33:38
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Most stoners don't know what day year or month it is. But I'll be sure to let them know sometime in May about 4/20
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By Bahamut.Ravael 2017-04-20 15:33:43
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Alternative title:
"Man Who Smokes Weed Every Day Looks Like a Man That Smokes Weed Every Day"
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By Asura.Kingnobody 2017-04-20 15:45:01
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Or they were in the right place at the right time. Like my girlfriends dads job at Boeing.
And it had nothing to do with his education, skill, and negotiating power?

All of it was luck, or "being in the right place at the right time"?
Of course there are standards to be met. You're being stupidly obtuse.

Considering the internet wasn't really a thing at the time, yes. This isn't as large of a factor these days because the internet exists. Although expecting people to be able to afford a potentially huge move to a more expensive place is ridiculous.

If he wasn't in SoCal as he was graduating college, he wouldn't have gotten his position at Boeing. And the only reason he was there was because he was sent to SoCal to live with his mothers family while his parents were getting divorced in MiseryMissouri.

Currently, Boeing has been downsizing pretty hard and last ones in are the first ones out. Meaning people who may be relatively close to him in job performance are being booted out simply because they haven't been there as long.
So, let's get this story straight.

You attribute his success to luck, even though he was hired straight out of college (that he worked hard to attend and applied for the job in question), showed that he is able to handle an entry level position, which happens to every college graduate who doesn't have a social sciences degree (now, if he is a communications/art/women's studies major, that would be something to state, being able to get a job in Boeing right out of college with that type of degree). You obviously attribute it all as pure luck (you even stated so in an earlier post, so don't deny it).

You also attribute luck for him being there for a longer period of time than those who are being let go, even though you clearly state that Boeing is handling layoffs on an experience/tenure level, and going by your earlier statement, he has been there for a much longer time, most likely longer than you have been alive. But it's pure luck that he isn't getting laid off, and not his work ethic, skill set, education, loyalty to the company, or any of the thousand of other factors that defines success that he directly attributes to.

Seriously, your example has more holes in it than Swiss cheese.
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By Bismarck.Dracondria 2017-04-20 15:45:38
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Shooting in France, 3 police were shot and 2 have died. They're saying it's a possible terror attack but it could also be armed robbery that ended in a gun fight with police (or police were targeted intentionally)

The suspect was shot and killed and they're executing a search warrant at his house now

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By Asura.Kingnobody 2017-04-20 15:47:35
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Lakshmi.Flavin said: »
It doesn't mean your wrong or that he's right but you haven't done anything to prove that he's wrong and you're right... the "evidence" you've provided isn't conclusive or evidence at all... it's really the equivalence of Vic saying something like read this article on how trump can be impeached for the things he's done... so you know... conflicting opinions not evidence...
If I sourced an opinion-only article that doesn't provide the sources to back up their analysis, then you would have a point.

Too bad I do, even though you, along with The Wizard of Wrong™, choose to ignore it.
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By fonewear 2017-04-20 15:53:36
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Ted Nugent and Kid Rock at the white house all is well:

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By Asura.Kingnobody 2017-04-20 15:54:10
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Vic, the Wrong Wizard said: »
Who proved the entire dossier to be false again? No one? It is simply one piece of evidence, that hasn't been debunked by anyone.
Do you trust in a document that is clearly wrong and contradictory to itself? If so, why?

We already know your answer, it's because it's Anti-Trump

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Also, the FISA warrant on Page was issued legally, and had nothing to do with the Obama Administration. Its not "highly illegal." Whats your basis for that opinion again? Oh, that trash blog you posted listed out the requirements to obtain a FISA warrant, where is the evidence those requirements weren't met? No where? Where is the evidence the FISA court acted incorrectly? Made up? Where is the evidence that Clinton was involved? Made up?

Grassley sent Comey after reading an article. Not evidence of any wrongdoing. Simply asked questions. Thats all you have, questions. Not actual evidence.
Let's see:

What was the security risk that warrant's an investigation into Page? Remember, FISA Courts cannot target US citizens unless there's a national security risk, so sayth the Patriot Act. Using such surveillance for political purposes? Also illegal under the same Act. Oh, and that's not opinion, that's fact.

I provide sources for a reason, Mr. Wizard.

How's Trump's criminal investigation going on?
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By Shiva.Shruiken 2017-04-20 15:57:27
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hmm..

sarah palin can still get it

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By Asura.Kingnobody 2017-04-20 15:57:40
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Bismarck.Dracondria said: »
Shooting in France, 3 police were shot and 2 have died. They're saying it's a possible terror attack but it could also be armed robbery that ended in a gun fight with police (or police were targeted intentionally)

The suspect was shot and killed and they're executing a search warrant at his house now

I'm waiting to see how this, along with the London and Sweden murders are somehow Trump's fault.

I wouldn't blame people for blaming Trump for all of this. People did blame Obama for the terrorist attacks happening in other countries.
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By Lakshmi.Flavin 2017-04-20 15:58:52
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Asura.Kingnobody said: »
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It doesn't mean your wrong or that he's right but you haven't done anything to prove that he's wrong and you're right... the "evidence" you've provided isn't conclusive or evidence at all... it's really the equivalence of Vic saying something like read this article on how trump can be impeached for the things he's done... so you know... conflicting opinions not evidence...
If I sourced an opinion-only article that doesn't provide the sources to back up their analysis, then you would have a point.

Too bad I do, even though you, along with The Wizard of Wrong™, choose to ignore it.
I've read what you posted and linked to and it's a far cry from anything being evidence that prove Vic would be wrong... you, like many others just choose to believe in what you want to then use anything you see to try and back it up whether it does or not... you have no actual evidence to back up your claims and the fact that you think you do is just sad... you should probably wait until actual vid cr comes to light in which you can then prove him wrong or not... it seems, at the moment, you just like telling him he's wrong whether or not he actually is and to be honest he might end up being... you're acting just as partisan as him ATM though...
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By fonewear 2017-04-20 15:59:40
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I heard Trump is going to invite Rosie O Donnel so he can look in her big fat ugly face and tell her she's fired !
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By Asura.Kingnobody 2017-04-20 16:01:23
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Lakshmi.Flavin said: »
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It doesn't mean your wrong or that he's right but you haven't done anything to prove that he's wrong and you're right... the "evidence" you've provided isn't conclusive or evidence at all... it's really the equivalence of Vic saying something like read this article on how trump can be impeached for the things he's done... so you know... conflicting opinions not evidence...
If I sourced an opinion-only article that doesn't provide the sources to back up their analysis, then you would have a point.

Too bad I do, even though you, along with The Wizard of Wrong™, choose to ignore it.
I've read what you posted and linked to and it's a far cry from anything being evidence that prove Vic would be wrong... you, like many others just choose to believe in what you want to then use anything you see to try and back it up whether it does or not... you have no actual evidence to back up your claims and the fact that you think you do is just sad... you should probably wait until actual vid cr comes to light in which you can then prove him wrong or not... it seems, at the moment, you just like telling him he's wrong whether or not he actually is and to be honest he might end up being... you're acting just as partisan as him ATM though...
I don't know what sort of evidence you want.

Do you want video evidence showing Obama specifically telling Rice to spy on Trump?

Yes, all I have is circumstantial at best. That is unfortunately all I can ever have. However, if you have even the smallest shred of reason and intelligence, you yourself can see the ***in the smoking pile in front of you.
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By Bismarck.Dracondria 2017-04-20 16:05:03
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Bismarck.Dracondria said: »
Shooting in France, 3 police were shot and 2 have died. They're saying it's a possible terror attack but it could also be armed robbery that ended in a gun fight with police (or police were targeted intentionally)

The suspect was shot and killed and they're executing a search warrant at his house now


They changed it to 2 severely injured, one dead for now and that there's a warrant out for another person suspected of being a part of this. He came to France on a train from Belgium. The dead suspect was apparently known by French intelligence services
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By Cerberus.Pleebo 2017-04-20 16:06:23
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Asura.Kingnobody said: »
Well, you apparently think that luck or randomness played a large factor in your life. You don't accept any of your decisions to lead to any of your successes, which means that you don't have many successes to celebrate. Therefor the failure.

As for the status quo, you using luck and/or randomness as an excuse to justify your failures (see above) proves that you don't want to achieve anything, and want to stay where you are. Therefor, status quo.

Let me guess, some rich guy is oppression you for whatever reason you can think of today, right?
You're assuming way too much and managed to be wrong with most all of it. I'm not at all in a bad place in life right now, but there's a certain humility to be found in acknowledging the impactful elements out of your control that either helped or hurt. I think the sum of these impacts is relatively large. To me, that's not self-deprecating or self-pitying to feel that in any way because I don't see it as a negative thing. It's just how the universe works.
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By Asura.Kingnobody 2017-04-20 16:15:37
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Well, you apparently think that luck or randomness played a large factor in your life. You don't accept any of your decisions to lead to any of your successes, which means that you don't have many successes to celebrate. Therefor the failure.

As for the status quo, you using luck and/or randomness as an excuse to justify your failures (see above) proves that you don't want to achieve anything, and want to stay where you are. Therefor, status quo.

Let me guess, some rich guy is oppression you for whatever reason you can think of today, right?
You're assuming way too much and managed to be wrong with most all of it. I'm not at all in a bad place in life right now, but there's a certain humility to be found in acknowledging the impactful elements out of your control that either helped or hurt. I think the sum of these impacts is relatively large. To me, that's not self-deprecating or self-pitying to feel that in any way because I don't see it as a negative thing. It's just how the universe works.
It's still a cop out, and not humble at all to not accept that you put yourself in the position you are currently in.

Good or bad, you made it happen, nobody else, and luck had little to no effect in how you got to the point in your life.

It's not a bad thing to deny your own accomplishments.
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By Cerberus.Pleebo 2017-04-20 16:16:43
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Shiva.Nikolce said: »
the only difference in our viewpoints is perspective

you are still clinging to the hope that you and your perception, in the grand cosmic universal scheme of things, matter... and that therefore this "empathy" that you have is tipping the universal scales towards the side of fairness.

where as I contend our entire existance as a species is meaningless and nothing that anyone does matters on the grand scale of the universe so empathy will never tip the scale because it doesn't have any weight in the physical universe...and the scale is broken anyways...well in the sense that it is a self correcting scale that automatically fills the side that is emptiest

and other than perhaps the physical imprint of leaving a few pieces of space garbage in the form of satalites and space probes scattered about the galaxy, we can't even begin to hope to dream of influencing anything really....everything else we have built will one day return to sand and ash

think about it, we colapse our entire solar system into the sun and in the process destroy the sun and probably nobody would notice.

some reptilian astronomer thousands of light year away might notice our small spec of a sun blinking off enough for them to do a double take and then clean off their glasses and then shrug it off

we're monkey sitting around smelling our own butts and wondering in vain if it matters how bad it smells. it doesn't
I wasn't trying to put this into some grand cosmic perspective. I don't believe in karma or ***like that if that's what you're getting at. The empathy I'm talking about doesn't impact any scale of fairness. It's more a reaction to the inherent unfairness (and ultimately, meaninglessness, if you want to go there), actually. Some people get *** over, some don't. Yes, we absolutely have the capacity to mitigate our circumstances, but we can't entirely.
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By Lakshmi.Flavin 2017-04-20 16:18:15
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So then let me ask you this KN... you got that job as a CFO then you said something like you had an accident and could no longer perform that job... you'd put that squarely on your shoulders as your failure?

Correct me if I'm wrong on the reasoning for you not having the job anymore...
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By Lakshmi.Flavin 2017-04-20 16:24:11
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Asura.Kingnobody said: »
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It doesn't mean your wrong or that he's right but you haven't done anything to prove that he's wrong and you're right... the "evidence" you've provided isn't conclusive or evidence at all... it's really the equivalence of Vic saying something like read this article on how trump can be impeached for the things he's done... so you know... conflicting opinions not evidence...
If I sourced an opinion-only article that doesn't provide the sources to back up their analysis, then you would have a point.

Too bad I do, even though you, along with The Wizard of Wrong™, choose to ignore it.
I've read what you posted and linked to and it's a far cry from anything being evidence that prove Vic would be wrong... you, like many others just choose to believe in what you want to then use anything you see to try and back it up whether it does or not... you have no actual evidence to back up your claims and the fact that you think you do is just sad... you should probably wait until actual vid cr comes to light in which you can then prove him wrong or not... it seems, at the moment, you just like telling him he's wrong whether or not he actually is and to be honest he might end up being... you're acting just as partisan as him ATM though...
I don't know what sort of evidence you want.

Do you want video evidence showing Obama specifically telling Rice to spy on Trump?

Yes, all I have is circumstantial at best. That is unfortunately all I can ever have. However, if you have even the smallest shred of reason and intelligence, you yourself can see the ***in the smoking pile in front of you.
If you want to use words like proof then you'd need more than things that may be circumstantial to your point that seem, more than anything at this point, twisted to suit ones view of the situation...

throwing out the whole you're dumb if you don't believe this is pretty silly too and has nothing to do with anything other than that you might enjoy insulting people that don't agree with you? Saying that all you'll ever have is circumstantial at best is just an excuse a cop out if you'd like... at least admit it's just your opinion and the way you read into the situation...
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By Cerberus.Pleebo 2017-04-20 16:25:23
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Asura.Kingnobody said: »
It's still a cop out, and not humble at all to not accept that you put yourself in the position you are currently in.

Good or bad, you made it happen, nobody else, and luck had little to no effect in how you got to the point in your life.

It's not a bad thing to deny your own accomplishments.
Do you mean accept your own accomplishments? Because I do, and I know what I personally did to make certain things happen but I also know that circumstances and decisions were made that I had no control of outside of my initial contribution.
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By Asura.Kingnobody 2017-04-20 16:29:48
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Lakshmi.Flavin said: »
So then let me ask you this KN... you got that job as a CFO then you said something like you had an accident and could no longer perform that job... you'd put that squarely on your shoulders as your failure?

Correct me if I'm wrong on the reasoning for you not having the job anymore...
And I'm still pissed off about all that ***.

But instead of brooding over it and letting this injury keep me down, I'm instead putting more time on side businesses (mainly, keeping books for friends for cheap) and volunteering more.

To be honest, I'm enjoying the retired life too much to think about getting another high stress office job like that. Yes, something out of my control altered my life, but instead of allowing it to alter it permanently, I adjusted my life to the point where I'm satisfied with it.

But to say that luck played a part of my success is stupid. Luck did not get me into college, or helped me graduate, or got me my CPA, or got me into the firm where I got that CFO gig (however short it was), or enabled me to retire before I'm 35.

Everything in my life can be attributed to the choices I make. I knew nobody in the firm I started out with, and I got the CFO position mainly because I worked with my ex-employers as their tax accountant and they basically headhunted me for the position.
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This subjective v objective interpretation of reality theme is rather revealing.
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