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By Ragnarok.Nausi 2017-04-20 09:40:22
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fonewear said: »
Look for them and you'll never have to walk far ever again:

I mean it's brilliant, if any questions you, you can't just violently spew "DID YOU JUST ASSUME MY GENDER?!?!?"
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By Ramyrez 2017-04-20 09:41:15
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Note to facebook these graphicsyou suck:
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By fonewear 2017-04-20 09:42:30
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Hitler wasn't so bad you just had to get to know him on a personal level. Kill a jew or two and you would be best friends...
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By Garuda.Chanti 2017-04-20 09:43:28
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fonewear said: »
The main reason I use women's restroom is they don't normally pee on the damn seat !
You have NO idea....
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By fonewear 2017-04-20 09:45:40
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fonewear said: »
The main reason I use women's restroom is they don't normally pee on the damn seat !
You have NO idea....

I just assume women use the restroom to plan how to get back at men like the meeting room in Dr. Strangelove.

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By Asura.Kingnobody 2017-04-20 09:47:05
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All I'm saying is some people have it easier than others to begin with.
But that doesn't mean that they will have it easier in the long run.

Also, your idea about this doesn't explain how people can move up in the social latter or fall off. Which is 100% their doing, and luck (or easiness) has nothing to do with it.
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By Ramyrez 2017-04-20 09:50:38
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Asura.Kingnobody said: »
Also, your idea about this doesn't explain how people can move up in the social latter or fall off. Which is 100% their doing, and luck (or easiness) has nothing to do with it.

Didn't say it did.
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By Asura.Kingnobody 2017-04-20 09:52:46
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Ramyrez said: »
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Also, your idea about this doesn't explain how people can move up in the social latter or fall off. Which is 100% their doing, and luck (or easiness) has nothing to do with it.

Didn't say it did.
You can't control where you were born, or the family you were born into.

How you deal with it is how you define your life.

Luck plays no part in that. And where you define it to play, you have no control over.
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By fonewear 2017-04-20 09:52:57
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Ramyrez said: »
All I'm saying is some people have it easier than others to begin with.
But that doesn't mean that they will have it easier in the long run.

Also, your idea about this doesn't explain how people can move up in the social latter or fall off. Which is 100% their doing, and luck (or easiness) has nothing to do with it.

It's easier if you are an attractive woman.
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By Asura.Kingnobody 2017-04-20 09:53:26
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fonewear said: »
Asura.Kingnobody said: »
Ramyrez said: »
All I'm saying is some people have it easier than others to begin with.
But that doesn't mean that they will have it easier in the long run.

Also, your idea about this doesn't explain how people can move up in the social latter or fall off. Which is 100% their doing, and luck (or easiness) has nothing to do with it.

It's easier if you are an attractive woman.
Only in bars though.
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By Ramyrez 2017-04-20 09:53:42
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Asura.Kingnobody said: »
Ramyrez said: »
All I'm saying is some people have it easier than others to begin with.
But that doesn't mean that they will have it easier in the long run.

Also, your idea about this doesn't explain how people can move up in the social latter or fall off. Which is 100% their doing, and luck (or easiness) has nothing to do with it.
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Seriously. You guys are getting way to up in arms about this because of your own beliefs. Some people are born with more resources than others. That's all I'm saying.

Where you go with it from there is entirely up to you. You make the best with the hand you're dealt or you don't.
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By Asura.Saevel 2017-04-20 09:59:07
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On the topic of "the universe decided to make certain people successful" vs "some people work their ***'s off for success".

If someone's spent any time actually studying successful people they will notice a key defining trait, they all, without exception, operate under the belief they can effect and change their own situation. This thought process when married to willpower manifests itself as something called "drive" and is what is meant when we say "person X is driven".

The steps are as follows

Identify that something needs changing
"I don't like aspect X about my life"

Determine that you can change that aspect
"I'm capable of changing aspect X about my life"

Determine the level of effort required
"In order to change aspect X I will need to put in amount Y of effort"

Decide to change that aspect
"I'm going to put in effort Y to change aspect X"

Formulate a plan, with milestones
"I will do actions A, B and C in order to change aspect X"

Execute that plan
"I'm now doing action A, this may take some time"

Evaluate that plan to determine if it's effective, change as needed
"Action A didn't have the intended effect, should I continue to action B or adapt the plan and do another action A".


And continue this cycle for the rest of ones life. Yeah that ***is a lifestyle, it's not something that can be done only once and then discarded. Anyone who thinks "if only I could do A, then I'd be content / successful / ect" doesn't understand how life works. The biggest hangups are on the initial steps, people believe they are incapable of changing their lives, or believe the effort is simply too big (which is just another version of being incapable of changing). They don't actively manage their life and then complain when bad *** *** up their mismanaged life. They demand the government step in and "save" them from their own mismanaged life, the government decides that if it's going to be in the business of "saving people from bad decisions", then it needs to control those people's lives to ensure minimum amount of "saving from bad decisions" is needed.

In the past the only real excuse was information asymmetry, which is just a fancy way of saying ignorance due to information being unavailable. Now with the internet and search engines, virtually all information is available to anyone with an internet connection. Anyone can use this information to educate themselves and enable the pathways to growth. Personal growth is hard, it takes a lot of effort and is not comfortable. Adversity is what fuels growth, something today's soft entitled society doesn't' seem to understand.
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By Ramyrez 2017-04-20 10:05:31
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Asura.Saevel said: »

On the topic of "the universe decided to make certain people successful" vs "some people work their ***'s off for success".

I'm not saying the universe decided to make some people successful.

I'm saying some people are born into better circumstances than others.

That. Is it.
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By fonewear 2017-04-20 10:06:36
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This sounds like a Lady Gaga song born this way...
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By Asura.Saevel 2017-04-20 10:09:19
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Ramyrez said: »
Seriously. You guys are getting way to up in arms about this because of your own beliefs. Some people are born with more resources than others. That's all I'm saying.

Oh your doing a lot more then that. It's a topic on these forums that pops up once every six to twelve months. And every time it slams into the reality that there are many of us who are from extremely bad backgrounds who did in fact improve our conditions immensely. We didn't do this through luck nor through having a shitty attitude, but by pressing forward one step at a time and enduring the grueling process of personal development.

The worst thing you could possibly do to someone is take away their personal responsibility for growth. It cause's them to stagnate, in which case they are no better then cattle.

I'm not even that successful compared to by older brothers. They grew up in even worse conditions then I did and yet did even better then me. Of course we grew up in an actual patriarchy (not this liberal false idea of what one looks like) with a patriarch who stressed independence, responsibility and personal growth on a daily basis. Few of us went to anything resembling a traditional liberal university and never had our heads filled with ideas about being incapable of growth or change, or how some evil western forces would forever keep us down.
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By Asura.Kingnobody 2017-04-20 10:09:23
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Ramyrez said: »
I'm saying some people are born into better circumstances than others.
Nobody is disagreeing with you on that part. You also defined that as luck, which we are disagreeing that luck being a factor towards success.

It doesn't matter what the cards are that you were dealt with. It is how you deal with those cards that defines your life. And what is more important than even contemplating on the method of dealt cards.
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By Lakshmi.Zerowone 2017-04-20 10:13:54
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Philanthropic Social Darwinistic societies are bad mmmkay.
Because philanthropy and benevolence in a binary world of winners and losers, is in reality an icky feeling forced onto the winners by said losers. Which is why there is no such thing as altruism outside of a farcical facade to appease the masses (of losers which you all are) or a mere act to achieve a desired ends to a mean (by me a winner).


Pg 39 in a nutshell.
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By Garuda.Chanti 2017-04-20 10:15:20
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Asura.Kingnobody said: »
fonewear said: »
It's easier if you are an attractive woman.
Only in bars though.

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By Ramyrez 2017-04-20 10:16:20
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Garuda.Chanti said: »
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fonewear said: »
It's easier if you are an attractive woman.
Only in bars though.


Also helping white guys dance.

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By Ramyrez 2017-04-20 10:18:30
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I'm just gonna leave this here and see my way back to other things.

It was a fun little reunion.

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By Garuda.Chanti 2017-04-20 10:21:49
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Two interesting articles this morning:

We just got a huge sign that the US intelligence community believes the Trump dossier is legitimate

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The FBI reportedly used the explosive, unverified dossier detailing President Donald Trump's alleged ties to Russia to bolster its case for a warrant that would allow it to surveil Carter Page, an early foreign-policy adviser to Trump's campaign.

It's a key signal that the FBI had enough confidence in the validity of the document to work to corroborate it and present it in court.

"In my long experience in dealing with FISA processing, unconfirmed information about a potential target cannot (and has not been) included in the application‎," said John Rizzo, the former acting general counsel of the CIA.

"So, if the CNN report is accurate, then I have to believe that the FBI and Department of Justice concluded (and the Court agreed) that the info in the dossier about Page was reliable," Rizzo said, "and in all liklihood was backed up by other available intelligence."...
It goes on in depth.

Exclusive: Putin-linked think tank drew up plan to sway 2016 U.S. election - documents
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A Russian government think tank controlled by Vladimir Putin developed a plan to swing the 2016 U.S. presidential election to Donald Trump and undermine voters’ faith in the American electoral system, three current and four former U.S. officials told Reuters.

They described two confidential documents from the think tank as providing the framework and rationale for what U.S. intelligence agencies have concluded was an intensive effort by Russia to interfere with the Nov. 8 election. U.S. intelligence officials acquired the documents, which were prepared by the Moscow-based Russian Institute for Strategic Studies [en.riss.ru/], after the election.

The institute is run by retired senior Russian foreign intelligence officials appointed by Putin’s office....
Further details in the article.

Enjoy!
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By Bahamut.Ravael 2017-04-20 10:31:30
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Eh, I've heard enough speculation and unimportant details about the Russia/Trump connection for a lifetime. Get back to us when they actually have something useful.
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By Shiva.Nikolce 2017-04-20 10:32:52
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Ramyrez said: »
I'm just gonna leave this here and see my way back to other things.

yeah the old "we're not smart, we just got lucky... because we had donkeys" theory. which completely ignores ingenuity and technological breakthroughs....
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By fonewear 2017-04-20 10:42:41
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Ramyrez said: »
I'm just gonna leave this here and see my way back to other things.

It was a fun little reunion.


I was going to read it but I'm agoraphobic...
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By fonewear 2017-04-20 10:42:52
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Germaphobic damn auto correct.
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By fonewear 2017-04-20 10:43:21
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Also it that books long and boring...
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By Asura.Kingnobody 2017-04-20 10:45:34
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Garuda.Chanti said: »
Two interesting articles this morning:

We just got a huge sign that the US intelligence community believes the Trump dossier is legitimate

Business Insider

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The FBI reportedly used the explosive, unverified dossier detailing President Donald Trump's alleged ties to Russia to bolster its case for a warrant that would allow it to surveil Carter Page, an early foreign-policy adviser to Trump's campaign.

It's a key signal that the FBI had enough confidence in the validity of the document to work to corroborate it and present it in court.

"In my long experience in dealing with FISA processing, unconfirmed information about a potential target cannot (and has not been) included in the application‎," said John Rizzo, the former acting general counsel of the CIA.

"So, if the CNN report is accurate, then I have to believe that the FBI and Department of Justice concluded (and the Court agreed) that the info in the dossier about Page was reliable," Rizzo said, "and in all liklihood was backed up by other available intelligence."...
It goes on in depth.
It also shows that the FBI is willing to listen to anyone as long as it fits their political narrative.

I mean, any dossier that specifically states that Trump had prostitutes fornicate on Russian beds because Obama slept there once should be completely dismissed for inaccuracy and hearsay. That should be the first clue that the dossier was a fake.

Next: FBI investigates the Trump-Big Foot-Bat Boy connections, because some 4chan troll British spy said so.
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By Sylph.Cherche 2017-04-20 10:45:48
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TFW people still think bootstraps is the most important factor in financial success.
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By Asura.Kingnobody 2017-04-20 10:47:12
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Sylph.Cherche said: »
TFW people still think bootstraps is the most important factor in financial success.
So, does that mean that success is handed out like candy from the back of a pedophile's van?
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By Ragnarok.Nausi 2017-04-20 10:49:08
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The trump dossier has already been debunked. We went through this months ago with the hookers and the pissing on Obamas bed right?

It's painfully obvious to anyone that they made it up so that they could justify spying on him.
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