Random Politics & Religion #22

Wapo reporting that there was a FISA warrant issued for team trump last June.

Still no evidence of any wrong doing. What will liberals need to finally admit their golden boy was abusing his power?

Do you ever read up?

and also, since when do we measure the success of an economic policy by the bodycount!?

if you "adjust the figures" to ignore all the purges and genocides and all the death due to starving your own people... is there a number you're trying to get to that makes repressive authoriatrian totalitarianism, disguised as communism, somehow more palatable!?

see stalin wasn't so bad compared to franco when you factor in popuation percentages...

THIS AIN'T A COFFEEHOUSE ON CAMPUS!!!

/waves his arms around

notice the distinct lack of poetry reading and bongo players!

You lost me right there.

you don't have to wonder actually, the statistics speak for themselves.

if you want to ignore the statistics then that's your own folly, your perception has no effect on reality....

It's akin to comparing Capitalisms body count starting from the Diet of Worms.

No, it wasn't the whole team. It was only Carter Page. And it had nothing to do with election interference.

Do you ever read up? I linked to this story just a bit above.

WASHINGTON (AP) — In a pair of interviews, President Donald Trump gave a skewed account of health care and auto jobs under his watch and flatly contradicted himself on how long he's known his right-hand strategist, Steve Bannon.

"Many years," Trump said of their relationship back in August, when he made Bannon his campaign chief. "I didn't know him" at the time, Trump told the New York Post on Tuesday. Trump got it right the first time.

Why does it matter? It comes as another indication that the president may be edging away from the conservative-populist ideologue as an inner-circle rift plays out in the White House.

A look at some of his statements:

TRUMP: "I like Steve, but you have to remember he was not involved in my campaign until very late. I had already beaten all the senators and all the governors, and I didn't know Steve. I'm my own strategist and it wasn't like I was going to change strategies because I was facing crooked Hillary."

THE FACTS: Bannon was far from a stranger when he came on board near the start of the general election campaign against Democrat Hillary Clinton.

Trump and Bannon had known each other for five years when the Republican candidate, a month after accepting the nomination, hired the Breitbart executive as his campaign CEO.

David Bossie, who was deputy campaign manager, told AP after Trump took office that he introduced them in 2011 at Trump Tower and they grew to know each well, as Trump appeared multiple times on Bannon's Breitbart radio show. Bannon interviewed Trump at least nine times in 2015 and 2016 and members of his family and campaign on many other occasions. "They believe in each other's agendas, which is why they have grown so close," Bossie said.

On Aug. 17, the Trump campaign announced the hiring of Bannon and the appointment of Kellyanne Conway as campaign manager. The statement quoted Trump as saying: ""I have known Steve and Kellyanne both for many years."

Friction has surfaced among Trump advisers, particularly between Bannon and Trump's son-in-law, Jared Kushner. Addressing that rift, Trump told the Post: "Steve is a good guy, but I told them to straighten it out or I will." ...

On the other hand you have events like the Spanish Civil War where nationalists, backed by fascists and Nazis, overthrew the democratically elected socialist government because they feared the communist boogeyman following suit.

No, it wasn't the whole team. It was only Carter Page. And it had nothing to do with election interference.

Do you ever read up? I linked to this story just a bit above.

you can start at freaking Hammurabi for all I care! twenty million people died of heart/lung disease and strokes that doens't make hitler an ok guy because he only killed seventeen million!

it doesn't work that way!

communism is a lie and totalitarian dictatorships posing as communism are bad and you should feel bad for trying to give them a pass!

If you were going to make a point about how "evil" capitalistic society is towards people in terms of stamping out communism/socialism, you probably shouldn't have used the Spanish Civil War. It's a little bit more complex than that, and "stamping out communism" wasn't exactly the endgame.

You should have used the Korean War, or honestly, Vietnam, as better examples. Both of those had "end evil communism" endgame goals there.

Your mom gave a totalitarian dicktator a pass.

Let's make this clear I have no idea what the hell the Spanish Civil war has to do with anything...and we don't care !

Turn of the 20th Century European History is a yuge subject and can help one understand the nuances of global politics outside of 'Murcia, bigly.

The main takeaway is:

Communism is the (reactionary) ideological opposite of Capitalism, Fascism is the ideological opposite of Communism.
However, Fascism is not Capitalism. But Fascism is Corporatism.

But it's more nuanced then that simple overstatement and I'm sure by now you've stopped reading

Other fact checks there too. Sounds like Bannon is going under the bus.

Then why did they bother?

Wait, don't tell me Obama was dabbing in some McCarthyism there.

Let's make this clear I have no idea what the hell the Spanish Civil war has to do with anything...and we don't care !