Random Politics & Religion #22

Exactly. Look, I don't exactly like Spicer, but Holocaust denial? Really? You don't rebuke a Godwin with something that extrapolates to the same extreme degree, because then you both look stupid.

Stalin and Mao don't "get a pass." The reason they're not compared to Hitler in the same light is because they remain controversial figures. Stalin and Mao held power until they died naturally and are commonly revered within their own countries. Their crimes against humanity are often disputed.


Words and rhetoric, intended are not, are paramount. Spicer *** up.

of course its the brobible!

REPS 4 JESUS!!!!!!

The Bible 2: Jesus Is Back, And He's Pissed

Alternatively, the Book of Revelations pretty much covers that.

Not like this

When you reread your post and realize you made a typo

Vodka is the only thing we've been able to find proof on since it's printed right there on the label.

1) Joseph 'The People Need a Tsar' Stalin was not a socialist, nor was he a communist; he was an authoritarian dictator who twisted Lenin's reforms to solidify his own power. Leon Trotsky was more along the lines of a socialist or a communist, and he was sent packing. So far removed from the founding ideology of Marx and Lenin was he that Nikita Kruschev, freaking Kruschev, denounced Stalin and called him a traitor to the revolution.
Source: http://www.historytoday.com/richard-cavendish/stalin-denounced-nikita-khrushchev

The real reason the general public gloss over Stalin's crimes, especially the Holodomor, is because he fought against Hitler and saved the other Allied nations a lot of casualties by throwing his own men into the meat grinder. Historians tend to not give him such a free ride though, and any article on the subject from a reputable academic journal will demonstrate this.

2) He did. He even screwed his retraction, which was not a retraction.
'Are you saying Jews weren't innocent?'
Source: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/04/12/saying-jews-werent-innocent-sean-spicers-apology-holocaust-gaffe/

Ehh, you are right and wrong.

Yes, he was a dictator. But he was also a communist. They are not mutually exclusive (although, you have to be a dictator to rule a communist society. It is impossible to have a democratic communist society, that would counter each other severely. But you don't have to be a communist to be a dictator).

Dems lost their special election.

Too bad so sad.
I'm gonna go ahead and disagree with you there.

Communists and socialists were by far the biggest cause of death of people in the 20th century. Over 100 million. Libs have just glossed over the most obvious players because well it looks bad for their ideology.

What the *** you talkin' about, man?

Two interesting stories in the news this AM:

The FBI Reportedly Obtained a FISA Warrant to Monitor Former Trump Adviser Carter Page
Time

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Classified docs contradict Nunes surveillance claims, GOP and Dem sources say

Openers:

Not really.

During the cold war there was more turnover in the Duma, the USSR's unicameral house, than there has ever been in either our house or senate. It was one party rule, but that one party was internally democratic.

I would also remind you of early Israeli Kibbutzim which were communes run by a committee of the whole or a democratically elected council.

Early Christian communities were also communist in structure.

And other primates, notably bonobos, have strong commune structure.

If you are suggest we behave like monkeys I'll agree to that !

I've read the bro bible it asked me if I even lift. I asked the bro "Do you even read ?" He replied bro come at me bro ! And I shook my head and walked away.

There's a difference between living communally out of necessity and marxist communism which is totalitarian socialism that would naturally develop into communism later which of course never happened.

"From each according to his ability, to each according to his needs" if flawed at the fundamental level as soon as you inject human nature into the equation because human beings won't work without reward .

The commune structure is doomed to failure because of you can't eliminate greed, sloth, lust, gluttony, wrath, envy or pride.

We tried hippie communes in the 60s how did that ***work out...that's what I thought.

See people are selfish by nature so communism is against our very being. We normally only help people when it is beneficial to us. We don't help out the "goodness" of our hearts.

If you help people because it makes you feel good or you think it's required of you to gain access to heaven than you're doing it for selfish reasons.

Basically what I'm saying is communism is ***. Go move to Cuba and leave us Americans alone !

You have to wonder how much of the death you mention was directly perpetuated by the communists and how much was perpetuated by the capitalist powers who sought to strangle it in its crib.

On the one hand you have incidents like the Ukrainian Holodomor instigated by Stalin, a direct consequence of the policy of collectivization. On the other hand you have events like the Spanish Civil War where nationalists, backed by fascists and Nazis, overthrew the democratically elected socialist government because they feared the communist boogeyman following suit. Soviet Russia got involved in the Spanish Civil War only after fascist Italy and Nazi Germany threw in with Franco (who was arguably something of a fascist but was certainly not a Nazi). The Soviets feared the further expansion of the Nazi Reich and appealed to Britain, France and the United States to intervene on the Spanish republic's behalf. Again, fearing the communist boogeyman, those nations appeased Hitler once again and did nothing; condemning millions to die because an evil they thought they knew was better than one they feared even more.

Putting socialism and communism in the same boat is a logical, historical and political fallacy. It is the equivalent of putting nationalists and Nazis in the same boat... oh wait, people are doing that these days aren't they?

Wapo reporting that there was a FISA warrant issued for team trump last June.

Still no evidence of any wrong doing. What will liberals need to finally admit their golden boy was abusing his power?

You lost me right there.

I'm not saying I don't give a ***about the Spanish Civil war...but I'm saying I don't give a ***about the Spanish Civil war....

you don't have to wonder actually, the statistics speak for themselves.

if you want to ignore the statistics then that's your own folly, your perception has no effect on reality....

and also, since when do we measure the success of an economic policy by the bodycount!?

if you "adjust the figures" to ignore all the purges and genocides and all the death due to starving your own people... is there a number you're trying to get to that makes repressive authoriatrian totalitarianism, disguised as communism, somehow more palatable!?

see stalin wasn't so bad compared to franco when you factor in popuation percentages...

THIS AIN'T A COFFEEHOUSE ON CAMPUS!!!

/waves his arms around

notice the distinct lack of poetry reading and bongo players!

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