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 Ragnarok.Nausi
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By Ragnarok.Nausi 2017-04-11 12:23:34
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I guess that whole Russian hacking story just ain't worth reporting on anymore then?
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By Garuda.Chanti 2017-04-11 13:08:41
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Ragnarok.Nausi said: »
I guess that whole Russian hacking story just ain't worth reporting on anymore then?
I read this morning they are busting him on botnet / spam not election misinformation charges.

So the press is less interested. But as its claimed that he ran the biggest botnet ever, there is still interest. Any site / journal dealing with computer security is still following it.

But when the Spanish police arrested him there was talk of election interference both to him and his GF? wife? So it could flare up again on that front.
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By Ragnarok.Nausi 2017-04-11 13:51:17
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Garuda.Chanti said: »
Ragnarok.Nausi said: »
I guess that whole Russian hacking story just ain't worth reporting on anymore then?
I read this morning they are busting him on botnet / spam not election misinformation charges.

So the press is less interested. But as its claimed that he ran the biggest botnet ever, there is still interest. Any site / journal dealing with computer security is still following it.

But when the Spanish police arrested him there was talk of election interference both to him and his GF? wife? So it could flare up again on that front.
Trump ran the bot army? We're bots selling out all his rallies?
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By Shiva.Nikolce 2017-04-11 13:55:45
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chanti is talking about Peter of the North
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By Garuda.Chanti 2017-04-11 14:29:32
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Thanks Nicky, sorry Nasuai, thought you meant the bust that Nicky linked.

I linked the WaPo story on it on P 21.
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By Ruaumoko 2017-04-11 14:58:39
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I don't think that Assad was behind the recent attack.

It makes little-to-no sense, tactical or otherwise, to escalate a conflict you are already winning quite handsomely. The rebels on the other hand have a track record of using chemical weapons and attempting to blame it on Assad to provoke an international response. They tried this under the Obama administration but were busted when Russia intervened and prompted the United Nations to investigate. The result of this investigation was that the rebels had used chemical weapons, not Assad.

People can't have this short-term a memory surely?
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By fonewear 2017-04-11 15:01:56
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Ruaumoko said: »
I don't think that Assad was behind the recent attack.

It makes little-to-no sense, tactical or otherwise, to escalate a conflict you are already winning quite handsomely. The rebels on the other hand have a track record of using chemical weapons and attempting to blame it on Assad to provoke an international response. They tried this under the Obama administration but were busted when Russia intervened and prompted the United Nations to investigate. The result of this investigation was that the rebels had used chemical weapons, not Assad.

People can't have this short-term a memory surely?

What was the question again ?
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By Shiva.Shruiken 2017-04-11 15:15:19
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Spicer: 'Hitler didn't even sink to using chemical weapons'

Fox said:
Syrian President Bashar Assad's chemical weapons use last week is particularly egregious because Adolf Hitler didn't use chemical weapons in World War II, White House press secretary Sean Spicer inaccurately claimed on Tuesday.

"You had someone as despicable as Hitler who didn't even sink to using chemical weapons," Spicer said in response to questions about the implications of Assad's chemical attacks.

Hitler used a chemical called Zyklon B to murder prisoners in Nazi concentration camps in World War II.

In an attempt to clarify his statement,

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Many, including a journalist in the press briefing, were quick to point out that Hitler used gas chambers to kill millions of Jewish people during the Holocaust. Spicer attempted to walk back his statement. “When it comes to sarin gas, [Hitler] was not using the gas on his own people the same way that Assad is doing,” Spicer said.

“I understand your point. Thank you. I appreciate that. He brought them into the Holocaust centers, I understand that. I was saying in the way that Assad used them where he went into town, dropped them into the middle of town. I appreciate the clarification. That was not the intent.”

His reference to concentration camps as "Holocaust centers" drew immediate attention and criticism on social media.



Happy Passover!
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By Ruaumoko 2017-04-11 16:00:20
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Wow, around Passover as well.

That's going to be one hell of a PR fire.
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By Ragnarok.Nausi 2017-04-11 16:07:06
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Shiva.Shruiken said: »
Spicer: 'Hitler didn't even sink to using chemical weapons'

Fox said:
Syrian President Bashar Assad's chemical weapons use last week is particularly egregious because Adolf Hitler didn't use chemical weapons in World War II, White House press secretary Sean Spicer inaccurately claimed on Tuesday.

"You had someone as despicable as Hitler who didn't even sink to using chemical weapons," Spicer said in response to questions about the implications of Assad's chemical attacks.

Hitler used a chemical called Zyklon B to murder prisoners in Nazi concentration camps in World War II.

In an attempt to clarify his statement,

The Hill said:
Many, including a journalist in the press briefing, were quick to point out that Hitler used gas chambers to kill millions of Jewish people during the Holocaust. Spicer attempted to walk back his statement. “When it comes to sarin gas, [Hitler] was not using the gas on his own people the same way that Assad is doing,” Spicer said.

“I understand your point. Thank you. I appreciate that. He brought them into the Holocaust centers, I understand that. I was saying in the way that Assad used them where he went into town, dropped them into the middle of town. I appreciate the clarification. That was not the intent.”

His reference to concentration camps as "Holocaust centers" drew immediate attention and criticism on social media.



Happy Passover!
We're not gonna pretend that there is no difference between constructing gas chambers and sending gas into population centers right?
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By Lakshmi.Zerowone 2017-04-11 16:24:49
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His girlfriend is Christy of the Canyons?
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By Garuda.Chanti 2017-04-11 17:03:53
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Ruaumoko said: »
I don't think that Assad was behind the recent attack.

It makes little-to-no sense, tactical or otherwise, to escalate a conflict you are already winning quite handsomely. The rebels on the other hand have a track record of using chemical weapons and attempting to blame it on Assad to provoke an international response. They tried this under the Obama administration but were busted when Russia intervened and prompted the United Nations to investigate. The result of this investigation was that the rebels had used chemical weapons, not Assad.

People can't have this short-term a memory surely?
Also posted about on P 21. And there is new info on the why and how that I read today.

Ragnarok.Nausi said: »
We're not gonna pretend that there is no difference between constructing gas chambers and sending gas into population centers right?
Oh no, Hitler's way was way more efficient at killing German citizens with chemicals.

But then again Hitler decreed that Jews could not be German citizens...
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By Shiva.Nikolce 2017-04-11 17:17:36
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We used gas chambers until 1999... >.>
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By Garuda.Chanti 2017-04-11 17:27:08
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Two articles on the INT, the reasons, and the rational for assigning the blame to Assad. Both today.

White House accuses Russia of deflecting blame on Syria attack
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Trump administration says new evidence discredits Russia’s claims on chemical attack in Syria
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By fonewear 2017-04-11 17:59:39
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This thread is terrible. Needs more outrage. Those damn Russians and there umm...vodka induced personality disorders !
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By Garuda.Chanti 2017-04-11 18:06:11
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fonewear said: »
This thread is terrible. Needs more outrage. Those damn Russians and there umm...vodka induced personality disorders !
This is different from your beer induced personality disorder just how?
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By Shiva.Shruiken 2017-04-11 18:11:43
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Ruaumoko said: »
That's going to be one hell of a PR fire.

Pepsi, United Airlines, and Sean Spicer are competing for this week's worst PR faux pas.
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By Cerberus.Pleebo 2017-04-11 18:28:19
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Shiva.Shruiken said: »
Pepsi, United Airlines, and Sean Spicer are competing for this week's worst PR faux pas.
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By Viciouss 2017-04-11 18:28:55
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What did Spicey do now?
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By Garuda.Chanti 2017-04-11 18:40:49
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Viciouss said: »
What did Spicey do now?
Claimed that Hitler never used poison gas.

He corrected himself 4 times. The first three tries only got the foot in deeper. The 4th hasn't removed it.

Read up a bit.
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By Garuda.Chanti 2017-04-11 18:41:34
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P. S.

Happy Passover.
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By fonewear 2017-04-11 19:11:30
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Garuda.Chanti said: »
P. S.

Happy Passover.
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By Bahamut.Ravael 2017-04-11 19:19:57
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Yeah, I knew I could expect people to make a far bigger deal of Spicer's comments than they're actually worth, because Republicans something something.

That being said.... This, boys and girls, is why you don't pull a Godwin. Ever. Just don't.
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By Garuda.Chanti 2017-04-11 19:20:58
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By fonewear 2017-04-11 19:21:04
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I'm just waiting for a dictator to kill more people than Hitler so Hitler can rest in peace...
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By Garuda.Chanti 2017-04-11 19:23:29
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Stalin did.

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By fonewear 2017-04-11 19:25:50
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Jews outraged though is a novel concept WW2 ended 70 years ago and you act like that ***happened yesterday...
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By Viciouss 2017-04-11 19:42:49
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We have needed a new press secretary for a while now. This bad week should just hasten his departure.
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By Garuda.Chanti 2017-04-11 20:42:59
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fonewear said: »
Jews outraged though is a novel concept WW2 ended 70 years ago and you act like that ***happened yesterday...
Our memories would put an elephant's to shame.

The key phrase to the Passover celebration: "When I came out of Egypt."

WWII? Mere moments ago in our collective memories.

P. S. I won't say this administration is full of Jew hating holocaust deniers, but you know when it walks like a duck, smells like a duck, and quacks holocaust denialism....
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By Ragnarok.Nausi 2017-04-11 20:47:55
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Garuda.Chanti said: »
Stalin did.


1)Stalin was a socialist though, so he gets a pass.

2)Liberals actually believe spicer denied the holocaust today.

Both points are frightening.
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