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By Shiva.Shruiken 2017-04-06 23:16:39
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It's funny how rapidly Trump's old tweets are becoming relevant to his own administration lol
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By Lakshmi.Zerowone 2017-04-07 00:30:10
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It's oddly a lot like OJ's book "If I did it".
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By Shiva.Shruiken 2017-04-07 02:23:00
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lol i mean, come on
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By fonewear 2017-04-07 06:49:28
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Lakshmi.Zerowone said: »
It's oddly a lot like OJ's book "If I did it".

I'll always remember him as the running back not the killer !
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By Zerowone 2017-04-07 08:15:25
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http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/middle-east/us-russia-air-strikes-syria-suspend-agreement-memorandum-direct-conflict-military-donald-trump-putin-a7671631.html

I guess this won't be over quickly without Putin up a fight.

Or he's just Putin up a front to look tough
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By fonewear 2017-04-07 08:15:53
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Those puns are terrible.
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By Asura.Kingnobody 2017-04-07 08:33:31
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Who says she unmasked Trump?
You're joking, right?

Or is your head so far up your *** that it's starting to make a paradoxical shift where you body is folding into itself?
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By Shiva.Nikolce 2017-04-07 08:46:38
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Asura.Kingnobody said: »
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By fonewear 2017-04-07 08:53:25
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#4Vic and #4Pleebs, since neither of them can actually think on their own.

Susan Rice’s White House Unmasking: A Watergate-style Scandal

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Her interest was not in national security but to advance the political interests of the Democratic party.

The thing to bear in mind is that the White House does not do investigations. Not criminal investigations, not intelligence investigations.

Remember that.

Why is that so important in the context of explosive revelations that Susan Rice, President Obama’s national-security adviser, confidant, and chief dissembler, called for the “unmasking” of Trump campaign and transition officials whose identities and communications were captured in the collection of U.S. intelligence on foreign targets?

Because we’ve been told for weeks that any unmasking of people in Trump’s circle that may have occurred had two innocent explanations: (1) the FBI’s investigation of Russian meddling in the election and (2) the need to know, for purposes of understanding the communications of foreign intelligence targets, the identities of Americans incidentally intercepted or mentioned. The unmasking, Obama apologists insist, had nothing to do with targeting Trump or his people.

That won’t wash.

In general, it is the FBI that conducts investigations that bear on American citizens suspected of committing crimes or of acting as agents of foreign powers. In the matter of alleged Russian meddling, the investigative camp also includes the CIA and the NSA. All three agencies conducted a probe and issued a joint report in January. That was after Obama, despite having previously acknowledged that the Russian activity was inconsequential, suddenly made a great show of ordering an inquiry and issuing sanctions.

Consequently, if unmasking was relevant to the Russia investigation, it would have been done by those three agencies. And if it had been critical to know the identities of Americans caught up in other foreign intelligence efforts, the agencies that collect the information and conduct investigations would have unmasked it. Because they are the agencies that collect and refine intelligence “products” for the rest of the “intelligence community,” they are responsible for any unmasking; and they do it under “minimization” standards that FBI Director James Comey, in recent congressional testimony, described as “obsessive” in their determination to protect the identities and privacy of Americans.

Understand: There would have been no intelligence need for Susan Rice to ask for identities to be unmasked. If there had been a real need to reveal the identities — an intelligence need based on American interests — the unmasking would have been done by the investigating agencies.

The national-security adviser is not an investigator. She is a White House staffer. The president’s staff is a consumer of intelligence, not a generator or collector of it. If Susan Rice was unmasking Americans, it was not to fulfill an intelligence need based on American interests; it was to fulfill a political desire based on Democratic-party interests.

The FBI, CIA, and NSA generate or collect the intelligence in, essentially, three ways: conducting surveillance on suspected agents of foreign powers under the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act (FISA), and carrying out more-sweeping collections under two other authorities — a different provision of FISA, and a Reagan-era executive order that has been amended several times over the ensuing decades, EO 12,333.

As Director Comey explained, in answering questions posed by Representative Trey Gowdy (R., S.C.), those three agencies do collection, investigation, and analysis. In general, they handle any necessary unmasking — which, due to the aforementioned privacy obsessiveness, is extremely rare. Unlike Democratic-party operatives whose obsession is vanquishing Republicans, the three agencies have to be concerned about the privacy rights of Americans. If they’re not, their legal authority to collect the intelligence — a vital national-security power — could be severely curtailed when it periodically comes up for review by Congress, as it will later this year.

Those three collecting agencies — FBI, CIA, and NSA — must be distinguished from other components of the government, such as the White House. Those other components, Comey elaborated, “are consumers of our products.” That is, they do not collect raw intelligence and refine it into useful reports — i.e., reports that balance informational value and required privacy protections. They read those reports and make policy recommendations based on them. White House staffers are not supposed to be in the business of controlling the content of the reports; they merely act on the reports.

Thus, Comey added, these consumers “can ask the collectors to unmask.” But the unmasking authority “resides with those who collected the information.”

Of course, the consumer doing the asking in this case was not just any government official. We’re talking about Susan Rice. This was Obama’s right hand doing the asking. If she made an unmasking “request,” do you suppose anyone at the FBI, CIA, or NSA was going to say no?

That brings us to three interesting points.

The first involves political intrusion into law enforcement — something that the White House is supposed to avoid. (You may remember that Democrats ran Bush attorney general Alberto Gonzales out of town over suspicions about it.) As I have noted repeatedly, in publishing the illegally leaked classified information about former national-security adviser Michael Flynn’s communications with Russian ambassador Sergey Kislyak, the New York Times informs us that “Obama advisers” and “Obama officials” were up to their eyeballs in the investigation:

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Obama advisers heard separately from the F.B.I. about Mr. Flynn’s conversation with Mr. Kislyak, whose calls were routinely monitored by American intelligence agencies that track Russian diplomats. The Obama advisers grew suspicious that perhaps there had been a secret deal between the incoming team and Moscow, which could violate the rarely enforced, two-century-old Logan Act barring private citizens from negotiating with foreign powers in disputes with the United States.

The Obama officials asked the F.B.I. if a quid pro quo had been discussed on the call, and the answer came back no, according to one of the officials, who like others asked not to be named discussing delicate communications. [Translation: “asked not to be named committing felony unauthorized disclosure of classified information.”] The topic of sanctions came up, they were told, but there was no deal. [Emphasis added.]

It appears very likely that Susan Rice was involved in the unmasking of Michael Flynn. Was she also monitoring the FBI’s investigation? Was she involved in the administration’s consideration of (bogus) criminal charges against Flynn? With the subsequent decision to have the FBI interrogate Flynn (or “grill” him, as the Times put it)?

The second point is that, while not a pillar of rectitude, Ms. Rice is not an idiot. Besides being shrewd, she was a highly involved, highly informed consumer of intelligence, and a key Obama political collaborator. Unlike the casual reader, she would have known who the Trump-team players were without needing to have their identities unmasked. Do you really think her purpose in demanding that names be revealed was to enhance her understanding of intelligence about the activities and intentions of foreign targets? Seriously? I’m betting it was so that others down the dissemination chain could see the names of Trump associates — names the investigating agencies that originally collected the information had determined not to unmask.

Third, and finally, let’s consider the dissemination chain Rice had in mind.

The most telling remark that former Obama deputy defense secretary Evelyn Farkas made in her now-infamous MSNBC interview was the throw-away line at the end: “That’s why you have all the leaking.”

Put this in context: Farkas had left the Obama administration in 2015, subsequently joining the presidential campaign of, yes, Hillary Clinton — Trump’s opponent. She told MSNBC that she had been encouraging her former Obama-administration colleagues and members of Congress to seek “as much information as you can” from the intelligence community.

“That’s why you have the leaking.”

To summarize: At a high level, officials like Susan Rice had names unmasked that would not ordinarily be unmasked. That information was then being pushed widely throughout the intelligence community in unmasked form . . . particularly after Obama, toward the end of his presidency, suddenly — and seemingly apropos of nothing — changed the rules so that all of the intelligence agencies (not just the collecting agencies) could have access to raw intelligence information.

As we know, the community of intelligence agencies leaks like a sieve, and the more access there is to juicy information, the more leaks there are. Meanwhile, former Obama officials and Clinton-campaign advisers, like Farkas, were pushing to get the information transferred from the intelligence community to members of Congress, geometrically increasing the likelihood of intelligence leaks.

By the way, have you noticed that there have been lots of intelligence leaks in the press?

There’s an old saying in the criminal law: The best evidence of a conspiracy is success.

The criminal law also has another good rule of thumb: Consciousness of guilt is best proved by false exculpatory statements. That’s a genre in which Susan Rice has rich experience.

Two weeks ago, she was asked in an interview about allegations by House Intelligence Committee Chairman Devin Nunes (R., Calif.) that the Obama administration had unmasked Trump-team members.

“I know nothing about this,” Rice replied. “I was surprised to see reports from Chairman Nunes on that count today.”

Well, at least she didn’t blame it on a video.

Don't worry, I fully expect you guys to continue with your heads up your posteriors.
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By fonewear 2017-04-07 08:54:25
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Tonya Harding would not stand for this air strike on Syria she would ice skate into the hearts and minds of the refugees !
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By Viciouss 2017-04-07 08:58:18
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Asura.Kingnobody said: »
Viciouss said: »
Who says she unmasked Trump?
You're joking, right?

Or is your head so far up your *** that it's starting to make a paradoxical shift where you body is folding into itself?

Lets see some reports on Trump himself being implicated in these backdoor communications with Russia, I would love to see that.
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By Shiva.Nikolce 2017-04-07 08:59:25
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fonewear said: »
Tonya Harding would ice skate into the hearts and minds of the refugees !

I don't think so...she looks like she ate a dump truck full of cupcakes.

Also, I'm afraid to ask what the connection is between her and susan rice
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By fonewear 2017-04-07 09:03:24
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Shiva.Nikolce said: »
fonewear said: »
Tonya Harding would ice skate into the hearts and minds of the refugees !

I don't think so...she looks like she ate a dump truck full of cupcakes.

Also, I'm afraid to ask what the connection is between her and susan rice

You shouldn't ask questions you are afraid to get answers to...
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By Asura.Kingnobody 2017-04-07 09:03:50
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Viciouss said: »
Asura.Kingnobody said: »
Viciouss said: »
Who says she unmasked Trump?
You're joking, right?

Or is your head so far up your *** that it's starting to make a paradoxical shift where you body is folding into itself?

Lets see some reports on Trump himself being implicated in these backdoor communications with Russia, I would love to see that.
A) Talking to Russia is not a crime.
B) Did you just shut down Rice's only defense on unmasking Trump? The only possible thing she had going for her as her excuse was for investigation of a crime. Which Trump never committed. Because it is not illegal to talk to Russia, either as a political candidate or as a President. By saying that there is no implication, there was no reason for her to unmask or even request to unmask Trump.

Congratulations, in your quest to prove me wrong for the first time, you shut down your whole argument....again.
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By fonewear 2017-04-07 09:04:33
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Anyways the main point is you never trust a woman especially one that worked for Obama.
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By Ragnarok.Nausi 2017-04-07 09:24:48
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Cruz Missive said: »
Ragnarok.Nausi said: »
/longs for edit button.

Counterpoint: proofread/preview your stuff. I thought you were big on "personal responsibility".

I guess I got told....
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By fonewear 2017-04-07 09:29:17
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Ragnarok.Nausi said: »
Cruz Missive said: »
Ragnarok.Nausi said: »
/longs for edit button.

Counterpoint: proofread/preview your stuff. I thought you were big on "personal responsibility".

I guess I got told....

I bet he wants you to cite references too !
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By Lakshmi.Zerowone 2017-04-07 09:29:41
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fonewear said: »
Those puns are terrible.

That's the point!
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By Ragnarok.Nausi 2017-04-07 09:31:46
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How would it serve the foreign intel investigation to know the daily routines of trump and his team instead of serving some political witch hunt?

That's gonna be pretty tough to argue when there is no evidence of collusion.

Prepare yourself, the "muh Russia" volume is about to be cranked to 11.
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By fonewear 2017-04-07 09:33:03
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Lakshmi.Zerowone said: »
fonewear said: »
Those puns are terrible.

That's the point!
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By Bahamut.Ravael 2017-04-07 09:35:24
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Hmm.... I'm actually shocked that people like Pelosi and Schumer didn't come out swinging at the president for the strike on Syria's airbase, and instead seem halfway pleased by it (from what I've seen). The disclaimer for such Congressional Democrats seems to be that he'd better go to Congress if he wants to expand military action there.
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By Viciouss 2017-04-07 09:35:26
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Asura.Kingnobody said: »
Viciouss said: »
Asura.Kingnobody said: »
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Who says she unmasked Trump?
You're joking, right?

Or is your head so far up your *** that it's starting to make a paradoxical shift where you body is folding into itself?

Lets see some reports on Trump himself being implicated in these backdoor communications with Russia, I would love to see that.
A) Talking to Russia is not a crime.
B) Did you just shut down Rice's only defense on unmasking Trump? The only possible thing she had going for her as her excuse was for investigation of a crime. Which Trump never committed. Because it is not illegal to talk to Russia, either as a political candidate or as a President. By saying that there is no implication, there was no reason for her to unmask or even request to unmask Trump.

Congratulations, in your quest to prove me wrong for the first time, you shut down your whole argument....again.

So, after all that mumbo-jumbo, any reports on Trump himself being involved in the backdoor communications with Russia? Because I haven't seen any. We know his staff is being investigated, but no one has ever said he was also in on it. So are we just gonna go with you are making it up? Either way, it has nothing to do with Rice.
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By fonewear 2017-04-07 09:35:30
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That video summarizes why the media is out of touch with the common man also...
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By Lakshmi.Zerowone 2017-04-07 09:36:03
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Also there was a terrorist attack in Stockholm .
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By Shiva.Nikolce 2017-04-07 09:36:09
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fonewear said: »
never trust a woman

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By Viciouss 2017-04-07 09:36:45
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Bahamut.Ravael said: »
Hmm.... I'm actually shocked that people like Pelosi and Schumer didn't come out swinging at the president for the strike on Syria's airbase, and instead seem halfway pleased by it (from what I've seen). The disclaimer for such Congressional Democrats seems to be that he'd better go to Congress if he wants to expand military action there.

Well the Republicans are also, more forcefully, saying he needs to come to Congress.
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By Lakshmi.Zerowone 2017-04-07 09:38:08
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Shiva.Nikolce said: »
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never trust a woman

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By fonewear 2017-04-07 09:38:17
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fonewear said: »
never trust a woman

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How bout you just steep off son !
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