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By fonewear 2017-03-24 13:29:31
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So when I was watching the Supreme Court hearings the other day and the Democrats trying to say Trump's nominee is not qualified...it was a complete joke. The man has tried over 2000 cases and had maybe one overturned....
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By Asura.Kingnobody 2017-03-24 13:42:14
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fonewear said: »
So when I was watching the Supreme Court hearings the other day and the Democrats trying to say Trump's nominee is not qualified...it was a complete joke. The man has tried over 2000 cases and had maybe one overturned....
They are still bitchy that their Chosen One™ lost.
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By fonewear 2017-03-24 13:44:01
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The one woman I can't remember her name was getting really testy with him the other day. And I think he handles himself very well.
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By Ruaumoko 2017-03-24 13:52:48
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fonewear said: »
So when I was watching the Supreme Court hearings the other day and the Democrats trying to say Trump's nominee is not qualified...it was a complete joke. The man has tried over 2000 cases and had maybe one overturned....
How the hell is Neil Gorsuch not qualified?

Columbia University, B.A., 1988
Harvard Law School, J.D., 1991
University of Oxford, D.Phil., 2004

Speaking as a Brit it's not like you can walk into Oxford, *** Oxford, and get a doctorate. From what I'm reading about Gorsuch's background I really cannot see any reason why Dems are adamant on blocking his appointment, he seems a good choice by POTUS.
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By fonewear 2017-03-24 13:55:53
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He seems to be extremely independent and very fair with the way he comes up with his decisions also.
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By Asura.Kingnobody 2017-03-24 13:58:36
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Ruaumoko said: »
How the hell is Neil Gorsuch not qualified?
He isn't Merrick Garland.
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By Lakshmi.Flavin 2017-03-24 13:58:47
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Ruaumoko said: »
fonewear said: »
So when I was watching the Supreme Court hearings the other day and the Democrats trying to say Trump's nominee is not qualified...it was a complete joke. The man has tried over 2000 cases and had maybe one overturned....
How the hell is Neil Gorsuch not qualified?

Columbia University, B.A., 1988
Harvard Law School, J.D., 1991
University of Oxford, D.Phil., 2004

Speaking as a Brit it's not like you can walk into Oxford, *** Oxford, and get a doctorate. From what I'm reading about Gorsuch's background I really cannot see any reason why Dems are adamant on blocking his appointment, he seems a good choice by POTUS.
Because trump picked him... it's pretty much like this Every time though so it's nothing unusual...
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By Lakshmi.Flavin 2017-03-24 14:00:06
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Asura.Kingnobody said: »
Ruaumoko said: »
How the hell is Neil Gorsuch not qualified?
He isn't Merrick Garland.
Nah... if Hillary got elected you can be sure she would have nominated someone different... obama picked a more moderate guy to try and get him in before the change should HRC have lost...
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By Asura.Kingnobody 2017-03-24 14:02:06
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Lakshmi.Flavin said: »
Asura.Kingnobody said: »
Ruaumoko said: »
How the hell is Neil Gorsuch not qualified?
He isn't Merrick Garland.
Nah... if Hillary got elected you can be sure she would have nominated someone different... obama picked a more moderate guy to try and get him in before the change should HRC have lost...
A) We will never know.

B) Are you freaking kidding me? She would have been Obama 2.0, and since every/anything Obama ever did, she would have doubled down on it.
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By Asura.Kingnobody 2017-03-24 14:07:33
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Federal judge sides with Trump administration in travel ban case

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A federal judge in Virginia ruled in favor of the Trump administration Friday, declining to join other federal courts that halted the President's revised travel ban last week.

Two federal judges -- one in Maryland and one in Hawaii -- have blocked implementation of the core provisions of the travel ban, and it remains on hold nationwide. Drawing on a litany of then-candidate Donald Trump's statements about Muslims during the presidential campaign, both of the judges concluded that the new executive order likely violates the establishment clause of the Constitution by disfavoring Muslims.

But Virginia-based US District Judge Anthony Trenga was not persuaded that Trump's past statements automatically mean the revised executive order is unlawful, especially given the changes it made from the first version.

"This court is no longer faced with a facially discriminatory order coupled with contemporaneous statements suggesting discriminatory intent," Trenga explained. "And while the President and his advisers have continued to make statements following the issuance of EO-1 (the first executive order) that have characterized or anticipated the nature of EO-2 (the revised ban) the court cannot conclude for the purposes of the motion that these statements, together with the President's past statements, have effectively disqualified him from exercising his lawful presidential authority."

The practical effect of Trenga's decision is limited at this point because the travel ban is already frozen nationwide, but it adds another judicial voice in support of the legality of the executive order as it makes its way through further proceedings in federal appellate courts.

"The substantive revisions reflected in EO-2 have reduced the probative value of the President's statements to the point that it is no longer likely that plaintiffs can succeed on their claim that the predominate purpose of EO-2 is to discriminate against Muslims based on their religion and that EO-2 is a pretext or a sham for that purpose," Trenga added.

The Justice Department championed the news.

"As the court correctly explains, the President's executive order falls well within his authority to safeguard the nation's security," said department spokesperson, Sarah Isgur Flores.
The lawsuit in Virginia was brought by a cohort of US citizens, permanent residents and foreign nationals who claimed the revised executive order was discriminatory.

"Thankfully, this decision does not alter the injunctions that are already preventing the implementation of the Trump administration's illegal executive order. We look forward to the Fourth Circuit and the Supreme Court weighing in on this matter, as those are the bodies that will ultimately decide whether the Constitution will protect the rights of Muslim Americans," plaintiffs' attorney Gadeir Abbas said in a statement to CNN.

The 4th US Circuit Court of Appeals, which covers appeals from district courts in Virginia, is set to hear the Justice Department's challenge to the Maryland court's decision in May.

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I mean, seriously, none of these judges that blocked Trump's travel bans seem to understand law. Or are willfully ignorant.
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By Bahamut.Ravael 2017-03-24 14:07:53
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fonewear said: »
The man has tried over 2000 cases and had maybe one overturned....

That's the problem. Being overturned a lot is a sign of success. That's why the Democrats love the 9th Circuit so much.
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By Cerberus.Pleebo 2017-03-24 14:13:05
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That's cool. It doesn't change anything though and the Muslim ban is on hold.
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By Shiva.Nikolce 2017-03-24 14:14:38
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Asura.Kingnobody said: »
She would have been Obama 2.0

Yeah but she keeps her own donor/enemy lists...

plus ideology aside, they freaking hate each other. I don't think she would have pushed his guy through... I would also bet money on her first pick would have been a woman.

but thankfully I sold my soul so that we would never have to find out

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By fonewear 2017-03-24 14:17:02
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I've been Muslims from my life and I tell you what I feel much better !
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By fonewear 2017-03-24 14:17:25
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Edit I've banned *
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By fonewear 2017-03-24 14:18:20
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Banning Muslims is sorta like becoming a vegetarian. At first it sucks but you get used to it and feel healthier.
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By Bahamut.Ravael 2017-03-24 14:18:59
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Cerberus.Pleebo said: »
That's cool. It doesn't change anything though and the Muslim ban is on hold.

Funny you should say that, when everything you said about why the first one should have been denied no longer applies to this order. What's your excuse for supporting the block this time?
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By Asura.Kingnobody 2017-03-24 14:22:58
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Bahamut.Ravael said: »
Cerberus.Pleebo said: »
That's cool. It doesn't change anything though and the Muslim ban is on hold.

Funny you should say that, when everything you said about why the first one should have been denied no longer applies to this order. What's your excuse for supporting the block this time?
Because Feels™
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By fonewear 2017-03-24 14:24:18
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First time we banned Muslims it was just "practice" Obama just wanted to see if he could do it !
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By Cerberus.Pleebo 2017-03-24 14:27:40
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It remains a de facto Muslim ban regardless of the cleaner wording and implementation.
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By fonewear 2017-03-24 14:28:28
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Can we ban Atheists too they keep telling me there is no God. I keep telling them I don't care !
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By Asura.Kingnobody 2017-03-24 14:28:54
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Cerberus.Pleebo said: »
It remains a de facto Muslim ban regardless of the cleaner wording and implementation.


Maybe Pleebo will learn something today?

Probably not.
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By fonewear 2017-03-24 14:32:24
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Don't you know King that Muslims built America ! They left England to found America !
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By Bahamut.Ravael 2017-03-24 14:35:46
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Cerberus.Pleebo said: »
It remains a de facto Muslim ban regardless of the cleaner wording and implementation.

In other words, "I'm going to stretch really hard to turn this into something I can justify disliking."
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By Asura.Vienner 2017-03-24 14:36:16
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Well they didnt ban Saudi Arabia in the name of money and oil! Although Saudi Arabia funds mosques all over the world to teach wahhabism.
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By fonewear 2017-03-24 14:37:20
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Asura.Vienner said: »
Well they didnt ban Saudi Arabia in the name of money and oil! Although Saudi Arabia funds mosques all over the world to teach wahhabism.

You better be careful we could ban Belgium too !
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By Lakshmi.Zerowone 2017-03-24 14:48:18
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What happened to the Art of Deal???? Is this what winning is supposed to look and feel like?


"It's much easier to be the 'No' vote than it is to govern"
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By Cerberus.Pleebo 2017-03-24 14:48:41
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The fact remains that populations in the targeted countries are overwhelmingly one religion and, coupled with the past and present rhetoric that still sell it as a Muslim ban, it's not difficult to see the intent of the order.
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By Lakshmi.Flavin 2017-03-24 14:51:58
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Looks like they pulled the vote... couldn't get enough people on board...
 
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