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By Ragnarok.Nausi 2017-03-22 15:15:33
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https://twitter.com/abcpolitics/status/844596009757917184

Nope. There was intel that was gathered on trump that had nothing to do with Russia. That's why he could talk about it, because it wasn't related to the investigation.
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By Ragnarok.Nausi 2017-03-22 15:19:06
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Caitsith.Shiroi said: »
The target of the surveillance wasn't Trump, so no he wasn't. That's not hard to understand.

If trump tower was surveiled as part of a FISA warrant then trump tower was surveiled.
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By Cerberus.Pleebo 2017-03-22 15:23:46
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Caution! Dot connecting in progress.
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By Asura.Saevel 2017-03-22 15:30:45
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Bahamut.Ravael said: »
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We can expect a string of Democrat loss's from now until 2020 where after they lose that Presidential election they will admit it wasn't the candidate and adjust in time to win the 2024 election.

Maybe Bernie will run again in 2020 and unite the party. After all, he knows about unity more than anyone because he was born in Pangaea.

Hehe

Funny thing is Bernie was never meant to be a serious candidate. He was carefully staged as the "crazy extremest" in order to showcase how modern and "centrist" Hillary was and appeal to the swing voters / fence sitters. At no point in time would the Democrat party tolerate another 2008 where the sideshow won the candidacy. It's a testament to how unpopular her majesty's arrogance is that the weak sideshow old fart got as close as he did. She won the Democrat Primary 2271 pledged to his 1820 pledged votes, with an additional 571 unpledged to Bernie's 45. So even removing the "super delegates" she still wins by a hefty margin. The Democrats wanted her as a President and wanted her since before 2008. She was supposed to win the candidacy and then defeat the generic "Born Again White Christian Evangelical Politician" the Republicans would select as their own. Of course the Republicans failed to control their own primary, Trump defeated them and stole the candidacy from Bush / Rubio / Cruz. He then went on to defeat Her Majesty and stole the crown Presidency from her as well.

We can see the liberals point of view here. Trump unfairly stole the election from them by cheating and not playing by the rules of Political Correctness. So he should be impeached and the crown Presidency should be awarded to the Democrats where it rightfully belongs.
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By Asura.Saevel 2017-03-22 15:34:43
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Ragnarok.Nausi said: »
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The target of the surveillance wasn't Trump, so no he wasn't. That's not hard to understand.

If trump tower was surveiled as part of a FISA warrant then trump tower was surveiled.

Nausi your not the target of our surveillance your couch is and since your couch doesn't have Constitutional rights we aren't in danger of violating them. Now if in the process of surveying your couch for it's possible involvement in a loose change laundering ring we happen to observe you wearing unwashed underwear, it's perfectly reasonable for us to leak that to everyone in the world via our network of moles.
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By Asura.Kingnobody 2017-03-22 16:20:16
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Nunes is basically confirming that trump or trumps team was "incidentally surveilled" in non Russian related surveillance and that that information was used inappropriately and illegally because it had political value.

Looking more and more like the deep state / obama admin had an axe to grind.

Except Nunes did not say that. He did not say the use of the intel was illegal, he didn't say what value it had, and he certainly did not say what the "motives" were. You are just making things up (again) to fuel your conspiracy theory.

Not just that, I'm sure not even sure if its legal for Nunes to even be talking about this stuff publicly.
It's actually not legal for Nunes to speak about it, even jokingly. He's literally flying in the face of the Secret Court justices that issue the FISA warrants and approve surveillance on foreign heads of state/ agents of foreign powers and making it harder for the NSA and CIA agents to do their jobs.
ITT: Is ok with criminal and illegal leaks coming from Obama Admin holdouts, but is concerned with legality of disclosure when a House Representative who leads an Intelligence Committee discloses information.

In other words, partisan hack in progress. Nothing to see here folks.
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By Ragnarok.Nausi 2017-03-22 16:20:46
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Cerberus.Pleebo said: »
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Yeah if only it were as solid as that whole Russian hacking investigation...
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By Asura.Kingnobody 2017-03-22 16:21:44
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Asura.Saevel said: »
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The target of the surveillance wasn't Trump, so no he wasn't. That's not hard to understand.

If trump tower was surveiled as part of a FISA warrant then trump tower was surveiled.

Nausi your not the target of our surveillance your couch is and since your couch doesn't have Constitutional rights we aren't in danger of violating them. Now if in the process of surveying your couch for it's possible involvement in a loose change laundering ring we happen to observe you wearing unwashed underwear, it's perfectly reasonable for us to leak that to everyone in the world via our network of moles.
I'm going to target Vienner's cookies for surveillance. Since she is a foreign citizen, she doesn't have rights under US code, so I'm not breaking any Constitutional rights. Also, it's delicious investigation.
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By Bahamut.Ravael 2017-03-22 16:23:52
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Candlejack said: »
It's actually not legal for Nunes to speak about it, even jokingly. He's literally flying in the face of the Secret Court justices that issue the FISA warrants and approve surveillance on foreign heads of state/ agents of foreign powers and making it harder for the NSA and CIA agents to do their jobs.

And this stellar analysis has been brought to you by the law offices of Candle & Jack. At Candle & Jack, if you disagree with us, we'll hang you for treason.

For personal law advice, call us at 1-800-NOT-A-CLU.
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By Asura.Kingnobody 2017-03-22 16:26:08
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Bahamut.Ravael said: »
For personal law advice, call us at 1-800-NOT-ACLU.
What, you aren't ACLU?

/sues you for no reason and calls it discrimination.
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By Viciouss 2017-03-22 16:28:03
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Nunes is walking a fine line, if he intends on making the rounds on tv networks (he has already done CNN) he needs to be very careful on elaborating on what he said today. Just because he is a Congressman doesn't mean he can disclose classified intel. It was already a bizarre press conference, he doesn't need to make it worse.
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By Cerberus.Pleebo 2017-03-22 16:32:09
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Ragnarok.Nausi said: »
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Yeah if only it were as solid as that whole Russian hacking investigation...
The thing that every agency agrees happened? Not sure what kind of comparison you're going for.
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By Asura.Kingnobody 2017-03-22 16:35:12
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Viciouss said: »
Nunes is walking a fine line, if he intends on making the rounds on tv networks (he has already done CNN) he needs to be very careful on elaborating on what he said today. Just because he is a Congressman doesn't mean he can disclose classified intel. It was already a bizarre press conference, he doesn't need to make it worse.
Just because you don't like it doesn't mean he can't disclose it.

Congratulations, you were wrong! Now get over it.

Cerberus.Pleebo said: »
Ragnarok.Nausi said: »
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Yeah if only it were as solid as that whole Russian hacking investigation...
The thing that every agency agrees happened? Not sure what kind of comparison you're going for.
Yeah, we should totally get back on Russia over this. I know, let's impeach Trump for winning the election! That will teach them with meddling in US elections!
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By Viciouss 2017-03-22 16:41:45
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Asura.Kingnobody said: »
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Nunes is walking a fine line, if he intends on making the rounds on tv networks (he has already done CNN) he needs to be very careful on elaborating on what he said today. Just because he is a Congressman doesn't mean he can disclose classified intel. It was already a bizarre press conference, he doesn't need to make it worse.
Just because you don't like it doesn't mean he can't disclose it.

Congratulations, you were wrong! Now get over it.

I don't know what planet you are living on, but no member of the legislative branch can disclose classified intel to the public. Why do you think nearly all intel briefings are behind closed doors? Its up to the executive branch what gets declassified and what doesn't. So no, I'm not wrong at all. That is grade school stuff.
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By Asura.Kingnobody 2017-03-22 16:44:14
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Sorry Vic, striking out a sentence doesn't mean it's wrong. No matter how much you believe.

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no member of the legislative branch can disclose classified intel to the public.
Prove that it was classified information.

What was released didn't involve the Russian investigation (since the whole point of saying that was to say that Trump was investigated for reasons other than the liberal narrative, which is the Russian investigation).

Congratulations, you were wrong! Now get over it.
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By Viciouss 2017-03-22 16:52:19
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Asura.Kingnobody said: »
Sorry Vic, striking out a sentence doesn't mean it's wrong. No matter how much you believe.

Viciouss said: »
no member of the legislative branch can disclose classified intel to the public.
Prove that it was classified information.

What was released didn't involve the Russian investigation (since the whole point of saying that was to say that Trump was investigated for reasons other than the liberal narrative, which is the Russian investigation).

Congratulations, you were wrong! Now get over it.

I don't need to prove anything. Stating that Nunes to be careful about what he says is not an indictment, nor is questioning the legality of his comments. Just because it isn't related to the "Russian investigation" doesn't mean it isn't related to another investigation. Obviously Team Trump was in contact with many entities that the intel community was legally looking at. And Nunes talking about it so openly is questionable.
 
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By Asura.Kingnobody 2017-03-22 17:06:44
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Just because it isn't related to the "Russian investigation" doesn't mean it isn't related to another investigation.
What other investigation would there be?

Oh right, because Trump ran for president. That's worth of a federal investigation by the Obama team.

And you seriously do not see any problems with that?

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Congratulations, you were wrong! Now get over it.
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By Ragnarok.Nausi 2017-03-22 17:15:14
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Viciouss said: »
Nunes is walking a fine line, if he intends on making the rounds on tv networks (he has already done CNN) he needs to be very careful on elaborating on what he said today. Just because he is a Congressman doesn't mean he can disclose classified intel. It was already a bizarre press conference, he doesn't need to make it worse.
Right, the last time a high level politician trafficked in classified information she was called "extremely careless".
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By Ragnarok.Nausi 2017-03-22 17:16:10
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Talk about your horrific consequences.
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By Asura.Kingnobody 2017-03-22 17:16:48
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KN needs a bit more foreplay viscosity, take it slow.
But for you, the pants come right off.
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By Viciouss 2017-03-22 17:20:14
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Asura.Kingnobody said: »
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Just because it isn't related to the "Russian investigation" doesn't mean it isn't related to another investigation.
What other investigation would there be?

Oh right, because Trump ran for president. That's worth of a federal investigation by the Obama team.

And you seriously do not see any problems with that?

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Congratulations, you were wrong! Now get over it.

Its important to note that everything Nunes said today was speaking about events that occurred after the election. Which, we know all transition teams are monitored after every election, and its completely legal, and it has nothing to do with the outgoing admin, which Nunes emphasized later.
Nothing he said was in relation to anything before the election, which is what Trump himself has been repeatedly lying about, and which is currently under a lot of investigations. So Nunes probably didn't reveal anything classified. In fact, he really didn't say much of anything, so there is no reason for Trump to feel "somewhat vindicated." Its never been about what happened after the election. Its always been about what happened before.
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By Asura.Kingnobody 2017-03-22 17:31:27
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Ok Altima. Whatever you say.

Oh, right:

Congratulations, you were wrong! Now get over it.
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By Asura.Vienner 2017-03-22 17:35:33
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Be nice, have a cookie :)
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By Viciouss 2017-03-22 17:35:51
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Maybe next time you will have something to say, KN? Stop channeling nausi.
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By Asura.Kingnobody 2017-03-22 17:41:34
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Maybe next time you will have something to say, KN? Stop channeling nausi.
Besides you are wrong?

Especially about a second investigation's purpose. What is it again Vic? Oh right, nothing.

Also:

Congratulations, you were wrong! Now get over it.
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By Viciouss 2017-03-22 17:43:42
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lol, maybe if you say it enough times...nah, no chance.
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