Random Politics & Religion #21

/shudder

they should ship that crazy *** off to some heart of darkness missionary water purifiation project/outpost if the congo before she spends all their slush fund money

In other news NUNES is backing Trumps surveillance claims!

What a tooth !

what are you guys fighting about? I feel like I missed something

I'm guessing sexual frustration which is leaking out as anger...

Speaking of sex how is Ivanka doing:

If I put on my psycho analysis hat I'm guessing Trump has a special bond with Ivanka because she is the first born. Or Ivanka has an Electra Complex...

Not really. Read it abain.

The definition of left / right / center depends on the observers point of view. In their own minds they are all "in the middle" with the "middle left" being community ownership of property and "far left" being a Utopia where people no longer have a need for material things and live in a cooperative villages. The "middle right" is wanting to use money and the "far right" is believing that capitalism isn't an inherently evil disease.

Saevel, I don't consider myself in the middle. I'm strongly left libertarian with an admixture of socialism. My lefty friends consider themselves leftists.

My friends on the far right to alt right don't think of themselves as in the middle either. They are proud of their stance.

Do you consider yourself centrist?

And even the WSJ is getting down on Trump....


A President’s Credibility
Trump’s falsehoods are eroding public trust, at home and abroad.
Editorial.

Incidentally picked up Trump Tesam CHatter

I know its fox but its a factual piece

Nunes is basically confirming that trump or trumps team was "incidentally surveilled" in non Russian related surveillance and that that information was used inappropriately and illegally because it had political value.

Looking more and more like the deep state / obama admin had an axe to grind.

In other words, Nunes confirmed what we have known since the start, Trump was not the target of any surveillance and nothing Trump has said about the issue is accurate.

It's like people talk and you hear different words than what they say.

He said they were picked up incidentally. Primarily in phone calls with various foreign heads of state (who were the ones being/have been monitored) post election. That it was legal.

It confirms that Trump was indeed under surveillance. And it's looking more and more like the motives were political in nature.

The surveillance may have been legal.

The use of the intelligence gathered from the surveillance was not.

I think Russia might be up to no good so I surveillance you even when such "incidental surveillance" is not relevant to the case. Then when I have the info that has no relation to Russia I leak it for political purposes.

The first part is it innocuous the second part is illegal.

Highly illegal!

Except Nunes did not say that. He did not say the use of the intel was illegal, he didn't say what value it had, and he certainly did not say what the "motives" were. You are just making things up (again) to fuel your conspiracy theory.

Not just that, I'm sure not even sure if its legal for Nunes to even be talking about this stuff publicly.

Surprised nobody is talking about Maxine Waters...

Nunes did say he was concerned and that the president should be concerned about the nature of the surveillance. While I'm not going to comment on what I don't know, that clearly does not sound like "nothing to see here".

Just because it's incidental doesn't mean he wasn't surveiled. If he was surveiled then the administration had him "wiretapped".

Secondly nunes clearly stated that he was aware of intelegence of that surveillance that had nothing to do with Russia. So trump was being surveiled and intelligence was collected even when it had nothing to do with Russia.

Thirdly that information that had nothing to do with any Russian investigation was spread around and widely disseminated throughout the deep state which just happened to be Obamas last Policy change he enacted weeks before he left office.

It has since been systemically leaked since it's collection (highly illegal) for political purposes (what happens in police states).

This is yuge.

Yet CNN, MSNBC and all the lessor yet even more liberal media like Salon, Vox, WaPo were all claiming she was the greatest leader ever. Throughout 2015 and 2016 the media was blaring about how great Hillary Clinton was and how awesome it was going to be that the US would finally have a women president and proving to the world that it had overcome it's sexist patriarchal past and joined the rest of the world in being Progressive and hip.

Then that didn't happen .... and suddenly they needed a fall guy to prevent the immediate and sudden collapse of their party. Hillary, now bereft of any potential leadership and embarrassed was an easy fall guy (girl). So suddenly everyone is blaming Hillary, she "lost" the election from the "great party" and instead of evaluating their tactics and platform they dump all responsibility on her and continue doing the exact same things post-Election that they did pre-Election. We can expect a string of Democrat loss's from now until 2020 where after they lose that Presidential election they will admit it wasn't the candidate and adjust in time to win the 2024 election.

Is that a porn star ?

Maybe Bernie will run again in 2020 and unite the party. After all, he knows about unity more than anyone because he was born in Pangaea.