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By Lakshmi.Zerowone 2017-03-22 10:33:34
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Shiva.Nikolce said: »
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What's sad about even engaging in these conversations is this elementary school level "what-about-ism" regarding political figures who are currently irrelevant/not in a powerful position.

hey look Joe McCarthy, I think your point would have merit if obama had declared war with russia.... but hillary pushed the "overcharged" button and we're free to capatilistically take advantage of the proletariat and all that jazz... so lighten up.

it's not a crime to know somebody who is russian... any more. or yet.

Yeah but knowing a foreigner isn't the issue that's being investigated. That type of overstatement truly undermines (which is by design and intent, obviously) the integrity of the matter.

It also creates diametrically opposed jingoistic accusations where one side is anti-Russian and the other anti-Muslim. While both sides feel they're being patriotic and wholly American.

...good times.
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By Asura.Kingnobody 2017-03-22 10:35:33
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Shiva.Nikolce said: »
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Remember Newsweek is "centrist".

aren't we all?

I remember someone making that argument...lol
Better question is....

...did you remember to put your underwear on this morning?
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By Shiva.Nikolce 2017-03-22 10:53:32
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Lakshmi.Zerowone said: »
Yeah but knowing a foreigner isn't the issue that's being investigated.

Yes it is. The press is trying to assassinate the character of every republican that ever did business with russia. Even though it was legal to do so and russia isn't our enemy.

and trying to paint russia as our enemy, because putin didn't like hillary, is stupid bordering on suicidal.
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By Lakshmi.Zerowone 2017-03-22 11:01:33
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Shiva.Nikolce said: »
. The press is trying to assassinate the character of every republican that ever did business with russia. Even though it was legal to do so and russia isn't our enemy.

Oh the hyperbole not ground in truth. How I've missed ye....though Trump has attempted that to the Democrats on twitter with demands to investigate Schumer and Pelosi for having photo-ops with Russians.
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By Asura.Kingnobody 2017-03-22 11:03:31
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Better Twitter than through the FBI.

If anything, at least it shows that Trump isn't abusing his power. Wish Obama could have said the same thing, but he abused his power the first 100 days in office....

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By Shiva.Nikolce 2017-03-22 11:06:58
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Lakshmi.Zerowone said: »
though Trump has attempted that to the Democrats on twitter with demands to investigate Schumer and Pelosi for having photo-ops with Russians.

EXACTLY!

it's so dumb trump did it.

I rest my case your honor!
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By Bahamut.Ravael 2017-03-22 11:07:53
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Caitsith.Shiroi said: »
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Yeah, but remember, Comey is above partisanship. After all, it is 100% impossible for a lawman or a judge to actually act on political impulses. It's not supposed to happen, therefore it doesn't happen.

*Cue unicorns and rainbows*

You are making it into a partisan issue, the guy is just doing his job and from how he treated the Clinton email investigation I really doubt he was trying to help her.

I think you just unintentionally supported my point.
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By Bahamut.Ravael 2017-03-22 11:08:42
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Caitsith.Shiroi said: »
Same goes here, it was negligence and it most likely ended up costing her the presidency.

Keep in mind that criminal negligence is a thing.
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By Shiva.Nikolce 2017-03-22 11:19:10
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Same goes here, it was negligence and it most likely ended up costing her the presidency.

Keep in mind that criminal negligence is a thing.

it doesn't matter.

clinton lost because nobody likes her. period.
she lost a popularity contest with donald trump for christsakes.

nobody voted for hillary clinton. some people voted against trump. but nobody voted for her.
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By Shiva.Nikolce 2017-03-22 11:23:19
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read 'em and weep liberal buddehs

hillary love
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By Asura.Kingnobody 2017-03-22 11:23:57
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Caitsith.Shiroi said: »
You don't go straight to jail for stuff like that. Intent is important. If you make a mistake while filling your tax form, you don't go to jail for fraud, there needs to be a clear intent to fraud. Same goes here, it was negligence and it most likely ended up costing her the presidency.
Fraud, legally speaking, has intent built into the law. So, you don't go to jail for making a mistake, you just pay the interest and penalty (you know, the punishment still associated with breaking the law).

You can still go to jail even if you didn't intend to break the law. Killing somebody is illegal, regardless of what you do. If you drink and drive, and get into a wreck that kills somebody, you still go to jail, even though you didn't intend to kill that person when you went behind the wheel intoxicated. The level of punishment is different in that case, in regards of intent to kill somebody. There is no way around it.

Comey's "intent" clause doesn't excuse Clinton from knowingly breaking the law (guess what? She created the server to bypass FOIA laws. The evidence, you ask? The mere fact that the servers exist and used for the sole purpose of having official government communications on such server shows that she knowingly broke the law. She is also a god damn politician with access to Top Secret information. She had to had some knowledge regarding that, regardless if she "remembers" or not. "Extreme carelessness" is the best she could have hoped for.). She broke the law, she did so knowingly, and it would have been a super easy case to prove that. Comey knew that, and either didn't want her to go to jail or was pressured from above (highly likely, given the circumstances) to outright lie that she didn't "intend" to break the law.

I can't believe you are bending the facts so much like this.
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By Bahamut.Ravael 2017-03-22 11:24:18
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Caitsith.Shiroi said: »
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Same goes here, it was negligence and it most likely ended up costing her the presidency.

Keep in mind that criminal negligence is a thing.

Doesn't that only apply if it caused someone's injury or death?

Usually, but not always. I think the exact legal term in this case was "gross negligence", however.
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By Asura.Kingnobody 2017-03-22 11:26:18
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Same goes here, it was negligence and it most likely ended up costing her the presidency.

Keep in mind that criminal negligence is a thing.

Doesn't that only apply if it caused someone's injury or death?
I think it's safe to say that the American people were injured due to her lack of security. At least 5 foreign countries had access of her unsecured email server that had Top Secret information on it.

Do you think that's at the best interest of the American public? Oh wait, you do cause you are Canadian and don't even care about what happens in America.
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By Lakshmi.Zerowone 2017-03-22 11:41:34
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Shiva.Nikolce said: »
read 'em and weep liberal buddehs

hillary love

Man this whole use of opinion editorials being proof positive of ones cognitive bias is compelling.
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By Bahamut.Ravael 2017-03-22 11:44:00
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Well, when opinion editorials are pretty much what makes up the news nowadays, there isn't a lot to work with....
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By Bahamut.Ravael 2017-03-22 11:50:15
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Speaking of which, taking the Washington Post, New York Times, CNN, Huffington Post, Politico, and the LA Times out of my news feed has made the news look a lot more professional. I don't need headlines news that looks it was penned by a character from Mean Girls.
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By Ragnarok.Nausi 2017-03-22 11:52:28
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Trump now being accused of colluding with the U.K. to deny passengers the rights to their laptops and electronic devices.
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By Lakshmi.Zerowone 2017-03-22 11:53:26
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That's a convenient excuse but doesn't pass for journalism. Problem with opinion editorials is that they tend to validate bias in the never ending effort to marginalize.

Ex:
This Op-Ed article by Ann Coulter about the privatization of all health and social services is proof that all conservatives are opportunists looking to extract as much money as they can from the sick and the poor

This Op-Ed article by Laura Dunham on why she's a feminist and will vote for Clinton is proof that all liberals are feminists that love their queen Hillary.

Ectera.. ectera... It's just dumb.
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By Viciouss 2017-03-22 11:54:08
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Bahamut.Ravael said: »
Speaking of which, taking the Washington Post, New York Times, CNN, Huffington Post, Politico, and the LA Times out of my news feed has made the news look a lot more professional. I don't need headlines news that looks it was penned by a character from Mean Girls.

I'm sure you prefer Fox News where headline news is delivered to you by characters that look just like the Mean Girls cast.
 
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By Shiva.Nikolce 2017-03-22 11:55:21
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Lakshmi.Zerowone said: »
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read 'em and weep liberal buddehs

hillary love

Man this whole use of opinion editorials being proof positive of ones cognitive bias is compelling.

I'm sorry, but if you need more proof that nobody likes hillary clinton... than you are too stupid for help my friend.

And I mean that in the the fondest and most caring and psoitive way possible. the way a father gives up on the son that isn't very bright...
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By Asura.Kingnobody 2017-03-22 11:57:05
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Speaking of which, taking the Washington Post, New York Times, CNN, Huffington Post, Politico, and the LA Times out of my news feed has made the news look a lot more professional. I don't need headlines news that looks it was penned by a character from Mean Girls.

I'm sure you prefer Fox News where headline news is delivered to you by characters that look just like the Mean Girls cast.
Quoting this so we will forever have a liberal making a sexist remark and consider it ok for him because it's not against the liberal team.
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By Lakshmi.Zerowone 2017-03-22 11:57:31
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Shiva.Nikolce said: »
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read 'em and weep liberal buddehs

hillary love

Man this whole use of opinion editorials being proof positive of ones cognitive bias is compelling.

I'm sorry, but if you need more proof that nobody likes hillary clinton... than you are too stupid for help my friend.

And I mean that in the the fondest and most caring and psoitive way possible. the way a father gives up on the son that isn't very bright...

See when you get back from your cigarette run dad.
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By Ragnarok.Nausi 2017-03-22 12:00:43
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U.K. Incident starting to look like the "religion of peace".

Cars blocked by the fencing/railings surrounding parliment? That can't be right, I'm told those things don't work.
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By Bahamut.Ravael 2017-03-22 12:00:59
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Viciouss said: »
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Speaking of which, taking the Washington Post, New York Times, CNN, Huffington Post, Politico, and the LA Times out of my news feed has made the news look a lot more professional. I don't need headlines news that looks it was penned by a character from Mean Girls.

I'm sure you prefer Fox News where headline news is delivered to you by characters that look just like the Mean Girls cast.

Yeah, let me pull the current top news headlines that I see from Fox News:

"Ivanka's West Wing office is Trump's latest conflict of interest, ethics experts say"
"Manafort confirms work for Russian billionaire, denies pushing country's 'political interests'"
"Shots fired at UK Parliament; officer stabbed and assailant shot, reports say"

Oooooo, so bad! Now let's take the filter off and look at WaPo:

"Tillerson's next challenge: Reassuring senators on Russia over lunch"
"US-Mexico security cooperation is at a historic high. Will that change under Trump?"
"Live from a parallel universe, it's Kellyanne Conway on 'Fox & Friends'!"
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By Asura.Kingnobody 2017-03-22 12:01:05
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You can still go to jail even if you didn't intend to break the law. Killing somebody is illegal, regardless of what you do. If you drink and drive, and get into a wreck that kills somebody, you still go to jail, even though you didn't intend to kill that person when you went behind the wheel intoxicated. The level of punishment is different in that case, in regards of intent to kill somebody. There is no way around it.

Hillary used her email server to kill someone? That's a completely different thing, I used the tax comparison because it's paperwork.

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Comey's "intent" clause doesn't excuse Clinton from knowingly breaking the law (guess what? She created the server to bypass FOIA laws. The evidence, you ask? The mere fact that the servers exist and used for the sole purpose of having official government communications on such server shows that she knowingly broke the law. She is also a god damn politician with access to Top Secret information. She had to had some knowledge regarding that, regardless if she "remembers" or not. "Extreme carelessness" is the best she could have hoped for.). She broke the law, she did so knowingly, and it would have been a super easy case to prove that. Comey knew that, and either didn't want her to go to jail or was pressured from above (highly likely, given the circumstances) to outright lie that she didn't "intend" to break the law.
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I think it's safe to say that the American people were injured due to her lack of security. At least 5 foreign countries had access of her unsecured email server that had Top Secret information on it.
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I can't believe you are bending the facts so much like this.

I'm trying to avoid injecting my opinion while stating facts as much as possible while making it clear when I want to add my opinion, but I can see you clearly aren't trying at all.
So, all we get from you is that it's ok for politicians to hold top secret documentation on an unsecured email server off site of the federal government to avoid FOIA laws and open for hacking by foreign powers, as long as it's doesn't directly kill anyone and/or affect any Canadian who doesn't know what sort of repercussions this would do to the nation as whole, as long as the person who did it is considered The Chosen Oneā„¢.
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By Shiva.Nikolce 2017-03-22 12:02:43
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See when you get back from your cigarette run dad.

/hair tousle

you'll tie those shoes of yours one of these days son....
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By Lakshmi.Zerowone 2017-03-22 12:06:46
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Shiva.Nikolce said: »
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See when you get back from your cigarette run dad.

/hair tousle

you'll tie those shoes of yours one of these days son....

/waits 35yrs

Dad you're back! That store must have been really far huh?
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