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By Viciouss 2017-03-21 16:03:44
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lol, Comey stated he didn't believe the Russians hacked our voting machines. But its nice how you try to dismiss everything else. And the investigations continue.
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By Bahamut.Ravael 2017-03-21 16:11:22
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What else is there to dismiss? There is literally nothing for us to dismiss when there is nothing incriminating that has been revealed. I know you guys keep saying that they don't reveal the results of ongoing investigations, but do you really think that they would sit on it for months if they already had something solid right now? The government is springing more leaks than Bonnie and Clyde and yet we're supposed to believe that the investigators are keeping all this secret proof under wraps? I don't buy it.
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By Lakshmi.Flavin 2017-03-21 16:14:38
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Again... and I guess you don't get this for some reason... there are not an unprecedented amount of leaks going on... leaks are not a new issue... obama was one of the ones to attempt to crack down on them harder than anyone before him... but please keep making trump out to be the victim like none other before him lol...
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By Bahamut.Ravael 2017-03-21 16:20:37
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Lakshmi.Flavin said: »
Again... and I guess you don't get this for some reason... there are not an unprecedented amount of leaks going on... leaks are not a new issue... obama was one of the ones to attempt to crack down on them harder than anyone before him... but please keep making trump out to be the victim like none other before him lol...

You could just reread that last post and point out where I said the leaks were unprecedented. Or you could make another point that has little to do with what I just said in another vain attempt to redirect the issue. Plenty of options.
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By Ruaumoko 2017-03-21 16:23:19
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By Asura.Kingnobody 2017-03-21 16:23:21
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Lakshmi.Flavin said: »
there are not an unprecedented amount of leaks going on...
In an overall sense, a president's administration's average number of leaks is the same as the number of leaks from Trump's administration.

Only difference is, you are looking at different timelines. 2 months vs. 4 years.

So, yes, this is an unprecedented amount of leaks.

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lol, Comey stated he didn't believe the Russians hacked our voting machines. But its nice how you try to dismiss everything else. And the investigations continue.
How else could the election be "hacked" or illegitimate in your mind, other than tampering with votes?

Because you, and literally every single liberal out there, have nothing. Except sour grapes.
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By Asura.Kingnobody 2017-03-21 16:35:47
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Democrats' Gorsuch attacks undermine the law

Surprisingly, from USA Today.

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Smart people often say stupid things. #MistakesHappen. But it takes a certain special orientation to repeat obviously false and ridiculous statements over and over. That’s a talent peculiar to politicians.

This talent is frequently on display during Supreme Court confirmation fights. Since the 1970s, every nominee from a Republican president has been attacked, among other things, as hostile to women’s rights and civil rights.

That includes Harry Blackmun, John Paul Stevens, Sandra Day O’Connor, Anthony Kennedy and David Souter — justices who often have been as zealous as any in finding, creating and expanding rights for women and minorities. Constantly being wrong, however, doesn’t prevent the same trope being trotted out as soon as the next nominee is announced.

Opening statements from Democratic senators during the Supreme Court confirmation hearing for Judge Neil Gorsuch didn’t disappoint in absurdly trying to paint the nominee as a tool of corporate America and an enemy of “the little guy.”

Sen. Mazie Hirono, D-Hawaii, wasted no time in lashing out before Gorsuch had a chance to utter a single word: “A pattern jumps out at me. ... You consistently choose corporations and powerful interests over people.”

Likewise, Sen. Al Franken, D-Minn., weighed in with more of the same: “I fear confirming you would guarantee more ... decisions that continue to favor powerful corporate interests over the rights of average Americans.”

A newer attack line for liberal critics is that a judicial nominee favors big interests, employers, people with money — anyone in conflict with the little guy. Sen. Ted Kennedy, scion of wealth and privilege, used that line against nominee Sam Alito, a man whose background, family and experience gave him ample affinity with ordinary life and people.

Kennedy’s successor, Sen. Elizabeth Warren, has reached for the same trick in attacking Gorsuch. She claims he “has sided with employers who deny wages,” “sided with employers who denied retirement benefits to their workers,” and “sided with big insurance companies against disabled workers.”

Despite the cartoon-version descriptions of a judge who "has sided" with the wrong people, the judge’s job isn’t to choose David vs. Goliath, to stand up for the little guy, to smack down the big guy.

The way little guys get protected isn’t to have a judge who votes on his or her gut sympathies. Instead, it’s to have a legal system that functions according to rules, legitimately enacted by constitutionally appropriate bodies and procedures, enforced in principled, predictable ways by judges who read the law carefully and apply it as written, no matter what the judge feels about the people on either side of the case.

Despots want judges who make decisions based on who is helped or hurt. Making decisions on the basis of principles, fixed in law and knowable in advance, is the exact opposite — and the essence of the rule of law. As Justice Antonin Scalia often said, a judge who’s always happy with who wins and loses is doing something wrong.

Beyond having the wrong goal for judging, there’s a bit of flimflam in Warren’s attack. Of course, among the thousands of cases Gorsuch has voted on, he inevitably has decided for employers, and against them; for corporations, and against them; for insurance companies, and against them. But he hasn’t decided consistently or inappropriately for or against anyone, any group, or any class.

That’s evident in the American Bar Association’s Standing Committee on the Federal Judiciary voting Gorsuch a unanimous well-qualified rating, its highest. Having served on that body, I can attest that its members take their task seriously and look critically at every possible issue that could affect a judge’s qualifications. Any hint of impropriety would be inconsistent with the top rating.

The “wrong side” argument also mistakenly assumes that a rule that helps one group necessarily hurts another, big guys or little guys. That is completely wrong. For instance, adherence to fixed, clear rules on contracts helps rich investors such as Warren Buffett — and also helps poor investors whose life savings go into the same sort of funds.

Constant, unsubstantiated and ill-considered assertions of judicial misbehavior have become part of the standard attack on nominees. But the claim that Gorsuch has sided with the wrong sort of litigant is so patently misguided, so obviously wrong and so at odds with the essence of the rule of law, that even aspiring political stars should consider taking it out of the arsenal.

edit: Damn it Rooks!
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By fonewear 2017-03-21 16:45:56
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Any recommendations for shows/movies to watch on Netflix doing a free trial ?
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By Asura.Kingnobody 2017-03-21 16:47:52
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fonewear said: »
Any recommendations for shows/movies to watch on Netflix doing a free trial ?
Yeah, either subscribe to Hulu or Amazon.
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By Viciouss 2017-03-21 16:47:57
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fonewear said: »
Any recommendations for shows/movies to watch on Netflix doing a free trial ?

Daredevil S1 and 2.
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By fonewear 2017-03-21 16:49:57
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Asura.Kingnobody said: »
fonewear said: »
Any recommendations for shows/movies to watch on Netflix doing a free trial ?
Yeah, either subscribe to Hulu or Amazon.

Eh I'm liking Netflix so far Hulu seems kinda meh but I'll give it a try !
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By Asura.Kingnobody 2017-03-21 16:52:52
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fonewear said: »
Asura.Kingnobody said: »
fonewear said: »
Any recommendations for shows/movies to watch on Netflix doing a free trial ?
Yeah, either subscribe to Hulu or Amazon.

Eh I'm liking Netflix so far Hulu seems kinda meh but I'll give it a try !
Hulu is very meh, only reason to watch it is for anime that Crunchyroll doesn't show.

Amazon is better, at least they have current and popular movies to view.
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By fonewear 2017-03-21 16:58:41
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Mostly I'm just adding stuff to my will watch later button...
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By fonewear 2017-03-21 17:01:55
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I'm disappointed that the James Comey hearing isn't on Netflix...
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By Lakshmi.Zerowone 2017-03-21 17:07:52
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Viciouss said: »
fonewear said: »
Any recommendations for shows/movies to watch on Netflix doing a free trial ?

Daredevil S1 and 2.

Stranger Things

Narcos

Definitely don't watch Iron Fist.
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By fonewear 2017-03-21 17:09:39
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Lakshmi.Zerowone said: »
Viciouss said: »
fonewear said: »
Any recommendations for shows/movies to watch on Netflix doing a free trial ?

Daredevil S1 and 2.

Stranger Things

Narcos

Definitely don't watch Iron Fist.

Done and done thank you.
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By fonewear 2017-03-21 17:10:48
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Twin Peaks is coming to Showtime right ? I guess I should watch the original first though.
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By fonewear 2017-03-21 17:11:56
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Son of a *** Netflix only has season one of Twin Peaks not season Two...
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By fonewear 2017-03-21 17:12:38
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Nevermind I found it...oh yea and Russia is bad something something !
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By Asura.Kingnobody 2017-03-21 17:14:11
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fonewear said: »
Twin Peaks
I tried watching it. I think the storywriters were high when they were writing for it.

***is weird.
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By Asura.Kingnobody 2017-03-21 17:28:43
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They don't even have circumstantial evidence worthy enough to start an investigation. Winning an election is not proof enough to start a federal investigation for foreign power collusion for the winning that election

The FBI doesnt agree with you, the investigation is said to have begun in june I believe, so its unrelated to the election results.
And yet, they still have nothing.

Also, more evidence that Obama Administration was actively investigating a political opponent for political purposes only. Which...isn't surprising for the dems.

Going by Podesta's emails, that's their level of corruption.
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By Shiva.Shruiken 2017-03-21 17:32:48
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Lakshmi.Zerowone said: »
Stranger Things

Narcos

Seconded. Also House of Cards, the fifth season is coming out in May.
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By Ragnarok.Nausi 2017-03-21 17:38:59
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If there is an investigation into a Russian / Trump conspiracy to hack the election, which has resulted (intentionally or not) in leaks of transcripts of phone calls, how are such transcripts not obtained through some kind of surveillance?
If the police are watching a crack house, and happen to see me entering several times, they are not spying on me specifically.

So if the government was spying on the Russians, and Trump kept contacting them, it doesn't mean they were spying on Trump. Simple really.
Heh, right. When my girlfriend stalks me and my woman on the side, she's only stalking me.
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By Viciouss 2017-03-21 17:47:48
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Phoenix.Xantavia said: »
If the police are watching a crack house, and happen to see me entering several times, they are not spying on me specifically.

So if the government was spying on the Russians, and Trump kept contacting them, it doesn't mean they were spying on Trump. Simple really.

Its incredibly simple, but don't expect nausi to get it.
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By Garuda.Chanti 2017-03-21 17:58:58
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Twin Peaks is coming to Showtime right ? I guess I should watch the original first though.
Oh... so do so. Weirdest. TV. Show. Ever. .

My roomie is a BIG Lynch fan so even though I hardly watch TV I have seen a LOT of Twin Peaks over the years.
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By Garuda.Chanti 2017-03-21 18:12:58
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Gang, this just might be a reality check. Its from Newsweek. Last I looked Newsweek was fairly centrist. Have they suddenly gotten to CJ levels (depths?) of lefty fantasies?

Trump, Comey, Russia and a Series of Stranger Things

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Lest any Trump supporter hope the feds were through with him after the election, Comey relieved them of that illusion, too. The FBI, he said, was continuing to investigate “the nature of any links between individuals associated with the Trump campaign and the Russian government and whether there was any coordination between the campaign and Russia’s efforts.”

Translation: The bureau is conducting an open-ended counterintelligence investigation into whether any of Trump’s associates collluded with the Russians. The FBI generally does not open an investigation, much less continue one, unless there’s evidence of a possible crime. And unlike criminal investigations, which generally require indictments from grand juries at some point, the FBI’s counterintelligence probe of Russian subversion and Trump’s associates could remain open for months, even years. Comey also said the FBI will conduct “an assessment of whether any crimes were committed.”

The upshot: Barring some unforeseen development, the Trump White House will feel the drip, drip, drip of the bureau’s multiple probes for its entire time in office. No doubt the leaks have just begun.

The president might be wise to negotiate a resignation before he’s fatally wounded. Comey and Rogers slashed him so badly on Monday, with their emphatic eviscerations of his infamous tweets claiming President Barack Obama had wiretapped Trump Tower, that his credibility on any issue, outside his adoring legions of cult-like fans, has been nearly destroyed. At some point, the Republicans may see their own salvation lies in deserting him for Vice President Mike Pence....
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