Why Do You Think Blue Mage SHOULD Be Nerfed?

Yeah with chain affinity or working with multiple WS, which sometimes is very beneficial. I rather hate JP grinding and like to keep it simple.

With Jhakri, almost any pair of nukers can knock out a mob in one skillchain. In Ambuscade, you're probably better off hitting your max damage WS every time you can and enjoying the incidental skillchains but if you can arrange towards incidental skillchains, why not do that.

In Gnole's case. Darkness healed him.

Blu should be nerfed so we can watch the ensuing hilarity

Because SE is lazy and would have to modify others jobs rather than nerf one.

Would it not be the other way around? Lazy = nerf 1 job. Not lazy = buff multiple jobs.

Well that ties in with what I said a few pages back, if I were to buff any weaponskills they would be side buffs to weaker ones that people don't use to give more skillchain options. Because skillchains is pretty much my favorite part of combat. Not self skillchains so much, but timing your attacks with other players. Honestly that's one of the things I feel makes FFXI unique, the emphasis on teamwork.

On Asura you wouldn't believe the things they as for BLU for. I can't really tell if the players are ignorant, trolling, or seriously believe they need BLUs for everything. T1 clear? Need BLUs. Reisenjima puller? Need BLU. Apex Puller? BLU. And don't get me wrong, I understand that BLU can certainly fill those roles, but that's not the angle these players are thinking of. All they see is "BLU is popular, it can do everything, and its easy", so they blindly pick it for a group.

I get it though, BLU can use shadows, MG, Haste, and a handful of some other amazing stuff. But its quite troubling when a BLU doesn't understand what Tenebral Crush does. They don't have a MAB set for nukes, and don't realize that meleeing in full Jhakri+1 and casting for damage is a really bad thing. Its beyond frustrating. I recall a party where we had a BLU in it, and he refused to use MG and take anon off. When I finally asked him to, he went and changed his subjob (because it wasn't leveled) and revealed he didn't have MG yet. That's what you get for assuming BLU > all.

The amazing part is, within the past month, I have had maybe 5 other players comment on how strong my DRK is, surprisingly. When I went ahead and explained how the job is actually quite good, they are taken aback, because they have been so accustomed to BLU being the dominant feature in every scenario. You don't realize that the real cancer is the fact that these newer or inexperienced players see this trend, and then that's all they think. It's a bad perception we've created.

In all fairness if SHTF I'm throwing on souveran and rocking a sword+blurred shield+1. As long as a mage with cure 4 is alive, or if I can use sanguine blade without resists; I can survive.

I feel like DRK and SAM could be screwed though.

524 shield skill, capped pdt and 14% block rate increases my odds of survival. Also my max HP in that set is about +3400 with capped cure potency received.

None of this or any of your posts have anything to do with balance.

Stop talking about "but blu can be played to max potential more than any other job!!" and "a bad blu sucks!", "it has a higher skill cap!", "it has more tools to deal with things!" none of that matters at all. None of it has anything to do with balance.

Balance issue:

Invite a Blu. They self cap haste, if you invite another DD not blu you'll need a bard or RDM to support them, and BLU benefits from them very little in comparison. You instead stack BLUs.

RDM, bard and now every other DD is screwed over.

Self capping haste on a DD cannot exist.

Unrelated to thread:

Geo also makes BRD/RDM irrelevant.

If a job makes other jobs completely irrelevant, especially MULTIPLE, they are harming the game.
BLU and Geo are both unhealthy for the game.

Since we're so hung up on jobs that push other jobs out of their role slots: you have and primarily play one of the most broken jobs in the game atm. SCH has the ability to easily replace (and nearly always does) any melee DD in the game in a BLM-centric party setup with the ridiculous stratagem that is Immanence. Honestly comes real close to classing up there with any other job that is "broken" or "imbalanced".

Also, Erratic Flutter/Mighty Guard still aren't what push BRD out of their spot. GEO is.

You're the one who brought up(incorrectly)that blu is the easiest job and impossible to be bad at it.

I don't even play scholar anymore. Bringing up "b-b-but you play x job!!" is silly and has nothing to do with the health of the game. I'm talking about the overall health of the game, not my biased opinion on anything. I'm trying to look at everything logically.

Example: BLM being the best nuker, when there's only two in the game does not make other jobs irrelevant. SCH is still wanted(for obivous reasons) and there are only two nuke jobs, where sch heavily buffs a BLM with skillchains and weather(?). That's great!

You're selectively targeting 2 jobs out of the myriad that do exactly the same thing that you're whining incessantly about. As Omnys pointed out earlier you don't have the experience nor the knowledge to be making any of these judgments, and it shows in your ramblings.


As an aside: the only thing I'll concede to in these BLU vs the world arguments is that BLU maintains a very high defensive benefit while sacrificing relatively little offense. Erratic Flutter, Mighty Guard, Chant du Cygne, and whatever else people want to *** about are not the problem for a number of reasons (dispels, being an active contribution to the entire party, etc.), however BLU's overwhelming defensive capabilities can, I admit, get a little unfair compared to most other DD jobs (RUN, DNC, NIN, and in some rare cases DRK notwithstanding).

Entrust Indi-Haste would just become more prominent if MG was removed from BLU.

This right here is the bigger issue. We need to stop discussing ways to fix jobs that aren't broken and start doing more to change the perception for the masses. Showing a pick up group how well another job can perform in place of a BLU or uploading a video demonstrating it is far easier than convincing the devs the job needs arbitrary changes.

The lack of end game content and diversity of said content isn't helping either, but that's completely out of our control.

I guess? What does that accomplish though? So you change your 3rd (temporary) GEO buff slot into Haste. Okay, great. It's not like the GEO wouldn't be there anyway, and you certainly aren't going to drop the GEO for a BRD because you need more Haste (unless they've got Honor March)... this is also assuming you're bringing a BLU to begin with which, again, is a choice not a commitment, unless you're too afraid to be a leader instead of a follower. At the end of the day it shifts the responsibility onto someone else who already has that responsibility and does nothing to solve the problem that I always see being thrown around: a supposed lack of job diversity which is entirely driven by the playerbase.

Sometimes I think I should upload things I do on WAR. I've literally never seen anyone in game or in a video do what I do. I've talked about weapon juggling before, but the community doesn't seem to understand how effective it is. Plus it makes Inundation amazing.

I don't need to play the game to read skill descriptions of a game I fully understand to realize "oh wow, this is completely broken and unhealthy for the game!"

But yes, BLU's sacrifice no offense for their insane defense while also being able to solo cap haste. It's not balanced.

No, but you might miss nuance and context.

SCH doesn't take a melee spot in melee DD pt though. And the situations that's ideal to use SCH SC you can't really replace SCH with a melee for SC and accomplish the same result.

As broken as immanence sounds it isn't cause issues of people playing the same job role not getting invite. SCH in blm pt is pretty much the only job capable of doing what it does and fills a slot by itself. If you nerf SCH then blm setup on T4 kirin woc would be dead because at that point you may as well just melee zerg those if melees are getting enough acc buffs to SC.

Anyways, the main point is, there are many anti nerf people yelling "nerf sch because..." "nerf geo because.....", but there are big pictures to consider when making job adjustments.

Nerfing GEO means content will be harder for everyone. It's more ideal to buff brd and rdm(I think cor is fine as it is)

Nerfing SCH SC means itll make endgame LS life harder if blm setup is their primary strategy.... which is probably more than half of endgame ls or aeonic groups out there.

Can anyone tell me what's so bad about making a small adjustment to MG, such as removing haste effect or making it not stack with cocoon?

Will BLU suddenly be extremely incompetitive as a melee job with such adjustment? Will that cause all the blu player suddenly quit blu because their job suck so bad now? Even without MG haste effect blu is still do same lv of dmg as before, or cast all the utility spell. The only negative side that I see is people that abused blux2 setup would lose 1 bubble due to having to use it for haste....which is a much smaller difficulty change than GEO job nerf and immanence nerf. But at least people can no longer abuse blu x2 setup because now every melee gets equal amount of buff slots.

Or perhaps there's an issue with communication as well. When people yell nerf blu they don't necessary mean asking se to make the job suck. How about we just use the term "MG adjustment" instead.

Knowing the effect of a skill or spell != knowing how it is properly utilized or its overall impact in every situation.

The issue is that you do not fully understand the game. Since returning, you have posed a large amount of questions about multiple variety of things within the game. And that's great to attempt to get caught back up. But you cannot be uninformed on:

- The AGI changes
- Cost and process of AG weapons
- General knowledge on SMN
- General knowledge on COR
- General knowledge on THF

and then claim that you "fully understand" a game. There is absolutely nothing wrong with ignorance and an attempt to rectify that ignorance. There is, however, a lot wrong with blindly denying ignorance and instead claiming omniscience.

Actually some people are.

He just said he agrees on the defense stacking..

if it were only such simple complaints then that would be fine, but most people seem to be taking affront to the core design of BLU in general which is ridiculous. one day it's mighty guard, another day it's erratic flutter, the next it might be CDC. No one seems to be able to focus on one issue and instead concoct a plethora of issues that, even if they were all addressed at once and BLU was pummeled into the floor, would not solve the grievances that everyone has with the game.

It doesn't take rocket surgery to understand why BLU isn't healthy for the game ;/
Self capping haste pushes all other melee DD's out of the party, that isn't good.

It's only self capping magic haste.
I still don't think BLU should haste a magic haste over 10% though, but just NOT SELF CAPPING MAGIC HASTE would completely fix everything tbh.

This never *** happened on Valefor so WHAT ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT?! >_>

There aren't even more than 2 or 3 non-JP shouts a week on Valefor, and the JP ones I see and take part in are generally asking for WARs and THFs along with BLUs.

I'm not arguing with you. I was agreeing with your statement that MG isn't what pushes BRD out of the party.

That's not relevant to the discussion, though.
The best melee DD party set up when a BLU is in the party is adding more BLU's for the DD slot over any other DD.

You can use other DD's, yes, but it's worse.

If it was so bad it'd be reflected, but it isn't so you're just conjuring this yourself.

The thing is the game is pretty well balanced right now, everyone is useful if they aren't monk.