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By fonewear 2016-10-10 18:28:43
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Bahamut.Ravael said: »
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Another idea would be to not parade around potential victims of sexual abuse as political pawns in our race to the bottom of the barrel of political discourse.

Fair enough, but the allegations on both sides serve as character witnesses against our bottom-of-the-barrel candidates. We've built this mountain of crap by nominating them, so we might as well enjoy the view.

Don't blame me I voted for Trump.
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By fonewear 2016-10-10 18:29:32
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You keep talking about sexual pawns what about bishops or rooks ?
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By Eboneezer 2016-10-10 18:37:51
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Hillary should, for the next debate, gather up all the women Trump has either made lewd comments about or cheated on his own wives with, and sit them in a box where they'll be clearly visible to all on hand.

lewd comments..... boring. If you bring the ones he cheated with, then what do you do when Hillary starts *** shaming them and attacking them like she has with accusers in the past?
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By Garuda.Chanti 2016-10-10 19:54:44
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You keep talking about sexual pawns what about bishops or rooks ?
What bishops do to rooks is kinda NSFW....
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By Garuda.Chanti 2016-10-10 20:04:57
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And in other news things are getting a bit testy in republicanpartyland...

Trump lashes out at Ryan

The highest-elected Republican official abandons Trump as he plunges in the polls.

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Donald Trump shed any pretense of trying to hold his party together Monday, pouring gasoline on an already scorching confrontation with Republican leaders in Washington as they reckon with their nominee's spiraling campaign.

Trump swung hard at House Speaker Paul Ryan, who announced he was abandoning efforts to help elect Trump earlier in the day. His team highlighted the number of voters who pledged to vote only for Trump and no other Republicans. His campaign manager suggested that some Republican Congressman who oppose Trump are guilty of sexual harrassment. And Trump's Virginia state director convened a protest outside the headquarters of the Republican National Committee, accusing the party of bailing too quickly on their only chance to stop Hillary Clinton.

“These are all establishment guys who have never supported him, and they’re using this latest thing as a pretext for withdrawing their support,” said Corey Stewart, the Trump Virginia director. (Stewart was quickly terminated by the campaign on Monday afternoon for his role in the protest.)

“This latest thing” is the newly leaked “Access Hollywood” video from 2005 in which Trump can be heard claiming to grope women’s genitals with impunity because he’s a celebrity. The casual boasting about sexual assault was finally the scandal that sent Republicans fleeing.

But Trump — who said over the weekend that there’s “zero chance” that he’ll drop out of the race — lashed out at Ryan, tweeting, “Paul Ryan should spend more time on balancing the budget, jobs and illegal immigration and not waste his time on fighting Republican nominee.” ...
And so much more...

He might mud wrestle Ryan rather than Hillary!

YES!!!! SAMPSON IN THE TEMPLE!!! I called it ever so long ago.

How can we get the democrats to implode like this?
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By Odin.Slore 2016-10-10 20:16:08
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He is still the best choice of the two.
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By Bismarck.Dracondria 2016-10-10 20:17:51
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Odin.Slore said: »
He is still the best choice of the two.

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By Garuda.Chanti 2016-10-10 20:20:03
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The GOP tumbles toward anarchy: ‘It’s every person for himself or herself’
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The Republican Party tumbled toward anarchy Monday over its presidential nominee, as House Speaker Paul D. Ryan (Wis.) cut Donald Trump loose in an emergency maneuver to preserve the party’s endangered congressional majorities.

Ryan’s announcement that he would no longer defend or campaign with Trump prompted biting condemnations from within his caucus and from Trump himself, who publicly lashed out at the speaker.

It was an extraordinary display of personal animus just four weeks before the election, destroying any semblance of party unity behind a nominee who many GOP leaders said they could no longer stomach because of his character traits and tawdry campaign tactics.

New national and battleground-state polls showed Trump sliding since Friday’s publication of a 2005 video of him bragging about sexual assault, putting Clinton in position for a possible electoral landslide. Clinton surged to an 11 percentage point lead nationally in an NBC News-Wall Street Journal poll conducted over the weekend.

“It’s every person for himself or herself right now,” former senator Judd Gregg (R-N.H.) said. “The nominee for president is so destructive to everyday Republicans.”

Republican National Committee Chairman Reince Priebus pledged complete fidelity to Trump in a conference call with RNC members and denied rumors that the national party was redirecting its resources to down-ballot races, according to a person on the call.

With Republicans at war amongst themselves, Democratic nominee Hillary Clinton moved swiftly Monday to pry away moderate Republican-leaning voters who are turned off by Trump. Her campaign launched an advertising blitz featuring testimonials from ordinary Republicans explaining why they were voting for Clinton.

“She is reaching out to voters that may well have supported Mitt Romney in 2012 and in a normal year might also be inclined to support the Republican nominee but are so troubled by Donald Trump they are open to supporting Hillary Clinton,” Clinton spokesman Brian Fallon said. He added that nasty personal attacks by Trump at Sunday’s second presidential debate in St. Louis “only helped us close the sale.”

Ryan’s move, announced on a contentious conference call with House GOP members, was seen as a concession that Trump could no longer win the presidency and that the party must devote itself to retaining its majorities in the House and Senate.

Unlike Ryan, Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell (R-Ky.) was rendered mute on the subject Monday. He told a business group in Kentucky that if they wanted to hear his thoughts on Trump, they “might as well go ahead and leave,” according to the Associated Press.

Still, there was no wave of defections Monday from Trump, who in an aggressive performance in Sunday night’s debate reassured the conservative base that he would be a relentless aggressor against the party’s shared enemies: Clinton and her husband, former president Bill Clinton. Trump leveled a stream of harsh charges at Hillary Clinton during the event, claiming she attacked women who accused her husband of sexual abuse and promising to send the former secretary of state to jail if he is president.

“They’ve really raised the ante on Republicans who want to cut and run,” said former House speaker Newt Gingrich (R-Ga.), a Trump ally. “How can you have watched that debate without knowing he won?”

One important conservative who was enthused was Indiana Gov. Mike Pence, the vice-presidential nominee, who made clear Monday that he would be loyal soldier even as their campaign took a dark turn.

Campaigning in Charlotte, Pence said that he does not condone what Trump said in the 2005 video, but that as a man of faith “I believe in forgiveness.”

Trump, he added, “showed the American people what’s in his heart. He showed humility to the American people and then he fought back and turned the focus to the choice that we face, and I’m proud to stand with Donald Trump.”

But Democrats insisted that Trump’s lewd comments and description of predatory behavior in the video would haunt him for the remainder of the campaign.

“It’s not behind him,” said Sen. Claire McCaskill (D-Mo.). “No. I guarantee you. Women do not forget being talked about that way, because all women have had a man in their life who has been in a position of power that has treated them without respect.”

Many Republican elected officials felt paralyzed Monday, disgusted with Trump’s candidacy but afraid to withdraw their endorsements and feel the wrath of his supporters. The situation was most precarious for politicians in battleground states such as Florida, Ohio and Pennsylvania, who can save their seats only if they get votes from the most fervent Trump supporters as well as moderates uneasy about him.

Rep. Greg Walden (Ore.), chairman of the National Republican Congressional Committee, told House members on the conference call with Ryan that navigating the election was now like “landing an airplane in a hurricane,” according to a lawmaker on the call who spoke on the condition of anonymity to speak candidly.

Trump is exacerbating the tensions by rebuking any Republican who betrays him and using the party leadership as a foil. Trump tweeted on Sunday: “So many self-righteous hypocrites. Watch their poll numbers — and elections — go down!”

Trump’s high command is keeping track of Republicans who break from the nominee. As he climbed into a waiting SUV late Sunday in St. Louis with other Trump advisers, former New York mayor Rudy Giuliani coolly said that Trump “will remember” who was with him and who was not — and vowed that the outsider candidate would win the White House irrespective of the party leaders’ wishes.

On Monday, Ryan was at the center of the GOP’s existential crisis. The norms and ideological orthodoxy that have shaped his career no longer define the party or provide him with the means of counterbalancing Trump. So instead of directly confronting Trump, Ryan sought a middle ground by personally backing away from Trump without rescinding his endorsement.

On the call, Ryan instructed fellow House Republicans to make their own calculations about Trump based on the politics of their districts. The speaker was challenged by at least a half-dozen members, from California to Ohio, who bristled at any attempt to distance the party from Trump, people on the call said.

“He got huge pushback like I’ve never seen before from members from across the country just saying that was the wrong move — and even if it cost them the House,” said one lawmaker on the call, who, as others who were interviewed, spoke on the condition of anonymity to candidly describe the private discussion.

Late in the call, Ryan got back on the line to respond to the criticism by assuring his conference that he would not take back his endorsement, though that offered little assurance to the pro-Trump contingent.

Trump publicly chastised the speaker, tweeting, “Paul Ryan should spend more time on balancing the budget, jobs and illegal immigration and not waste his time on fighting Republican nominee.”

Rep. Charlie Dent (R-Pa.), who has called on Trump to step aside, vented his frustrations in an interview. “I for one am getting a little tired of being told that I have to fall in line and behave,” Dent said. “I’m not the one making all these outlandish and incendiary comments. People should stop screaming at the firefighters.”

Trump has done little to put the fire out. He and his campaign have fully committed to a final month of harsh combat by airing allegations of sexual assault by Bill Clinton.

Following Sunday’s debate, Omarosa Manigault, Trump’s African American outreach director, brought up Clinton’s affair with Monica Lewinsky to reporters and accused the 42nd president and his wife of having “preyed on this intern” and “destroyed her as a human being.”

“This is not a couple you want in the White House,” Manigault said. “People say, ‘Oh, Hillary’s separate from her husband.’ But if you get Hillary in the White House, you also get Bill, and Lord have mercy on us if we have to go through four more years of that.”

This approach is galvanizing Trump’s grass-roots supporters. Steven Mnuchin, Trump’s national finance chairman, said the campaign received “a big surge” of small-dollar donations and positive feedback from the debate.

“I’m getting calls all day from people who want to come to the Vegas debate and want the excitement of what people expect will be another great debate,” Mnuchin said, referring to the Oct. 19 debate in Las Vegas.

On the stump Monday in Ambridge, Pa., Trump broadened the scope of his critique to taint the entire Democratic Party as sordid, recounting the late senator Edward M. Kennedy’s 1969 car crash that killed a 28-year-old woman on Chappaquiddick Island, Mass.

Trump’s blistering method is being orchestrated by Stephen K. Bannon, the campaign’s chief executive and former head of the acerbic conservative website Breitbart, who has become a near-omnipresent counselor at Trump’s side. He has urged Trump not to worry about any cleavage in party ranks and instead to target Clinton.

For her part, Clinton seized on Trump’s negativity as a way to taunt him and argue that he is unfit to be president.

“Donald Trump spent his time attacking when he should have been apologizing,” Clinton said in Detroit in reference to the debate. “Now, there are a lot of things he should apologize for, right?”
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By Shiva.Viciousss 2016-10-10 20:32:00
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Its interesting because in January if you asked me if the Dems could retake the House I would have said no way, not realistic. But now, it looks more than possible, I would even say it could be a coin flip at this point. And its not just because of Trump's negative campaign, Paul Ryan has done nothing since taking over.
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By Odin.Slore 2016-10-10 20:44:04
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Obamas 12 vetos say Hi.
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By Shiva.Viciousss 2016-10-10 20:51:34
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Odin.Slore said: »
Obamas 12 vetos say Hi.

Incredibly small number, all justified, good vetoes, not at all relevant to Paul Ryan's pathetic leadership.
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By Odin.Slore 2016-10-10 20:54:13
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Shiva.Viciousss said: »
Odin.Slore said: »
Obamas 12 vetos say Hi.

Incredibly small number, all justified, good vetoes, not at all relevant to Paul Ryan's pathetic leadership.

Yeah Keystone was a great veto. You know you can disagree with the dems sometimes. It won't make you a bad person, honest.
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By Shiva.Viciousss 2016-10-10 20:55:47
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Odin.Slore said: »
Shiva.Viciousss said: »
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Obamas 12 vetos say Hi.

Incredibly small number, all justified, good vetoes, not at all relevant to Paul Ryan's pathetic leadership.

Yeah Keystone was a great veto. You know you can disagree with the dems sometimes. It won't make you a bad person, honest.

Yeah, it was. It did nothing for the United States. The workers that would have built it went on to build a different pipeline. Nobody in the pipeline industry gave a ***about keystone.
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By Garuda.Chanti 2016-10-10 21:18:59
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Keystone died from economics not politics.

Price of gas plummeted like Monty Python sheep. Operating American oil wells that had high extraction costs shut down. And their extraction costs are WAY less than tar sand extraction costs.

No oil to sell to China, no money to lobbyists, no interest from politicians.
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By Phoenix.Amandarius 2016-10-10 23:13:15
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Two things:

I believe with enthusiasm overwhelmingly on Trump's side that Hillary is making a huge mistake by keeping this campaign so negative. I think she is killing the turnout of people that are on the fence but leaning towards her by allowing people to just get disgusted with the whole thing. Also the more millennials learn about the Clinton's disgusting past their turnout will be smaller. She needs them. She should have turned positive and inspired with lofty goals months ago.

Second, that douche Paul Ryan made a collosal mistake. This is a very weak man and a coward.
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By Shiva.Viciousss 2016-10-10 23:17:10
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Hillary has nothing to do with Trump being in the gutter. Funny post tho.
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By Phoenix.Amandarius 2016-10-10 23:41:07
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She's spent nearly a billion dollars on negative ads. Her two debates were just barrages of random attacks on Trump. Nothing positive besides regurgitating Michelle Obama's one high road line, then it's right back down to the low road.
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By Bismarck.Dracondria 2016-10-10 23:42:18
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No one outside of the US has seen those ads and we still think he's a complete moron
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By Shiva.Viciousss 2016-10-10 23:46:43
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Bismarck.Dracondria said: »
No one outside of the US has seen those ads and we still think he's a complete moron

Its always been all in Aman's head.
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By Phoenix.Amandarius 2016-10-11 00:16:39
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Are you saying she has not run hundreds of millions of dollars worth of negative campaign ads attacking Trump?

She, on the debate stages, hasn't called him racist, sexist, xenophobic, brought up calling Rosie Odonnel a pig, brought up Miss Universe, tax cheat, accused him if not paying contactors, being a Russian plant, going to start nuclear war, hates immigrants, talking about the recording; what an i missing?

Yeah Bud, that aint the high road.
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By Bismarck.Dracondria 2016-10-11 00:26:18
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Phoenix.Amandarius said: »
She, on the debate stages, hasn't called him racist, sexist, xenophobic, brought up calling Rosie Odonnel a pig, brought up Miss Universe, tax cheat, accused him if not paying contactors, being a Russian plant, going to start nuclear war, hates immigrants, talking about the recording; what an i missing?

What is wrong with this again? He's said these things himself, she's just pointing it out

He's an idiot
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By Shiva.Viciousss 2016-10-11 00:30:58
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Phoenix.Amandarius said: »
Are you saying she has not run hundreds of millions of dollars worth of negative campaign ads attacking Trump?

She, on the debate stages, hasn't called him racist, sexist, xenophobic, brought up calling Rosie Odonnel a pig, brought up Miss Universe, tax cheat, accused him if not paying contactors, being a Russian plant, going to start nuclear war, hates immigrants, talking about the recording; what an i missing?

Yeah Bud, that aint the high road.

Yes, she has told the truth about Trump during the debates, and he has spiraled. He is guilty of all of those things and more, especially the sex offender part. Today he threatened to talk more about Bill Clinton, yep, thats a good plan. Enjoy that double digit deficit.
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By Bahamut.Ravael 2016-10-11 00:35:43
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Bismarck.Dracondria said: »
No one outside of the US has seen those ads and we still think he's a complete moron

Gee, I can't imagine why European leftists would dislike Trump. Have Clinton's lies also rung true across the great blue?
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By Bismarck.Dracondria 2016-10-11 00:38:35
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It's not just the left here though
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By Eboneezer 2016-10-11 01:00:43
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Shiva.Viciousss said: »
Yes, she has told the truth about Trump during the debates, and he has spiraled. He is guilty of all of those things and more, especially the sex offender part. Today he threatened to talk more about Bill Clinton, yep, thats a good plan. Enjoy that double digit deficit.

I'd be interested to see the evidence to all of those things that you say he's guilty of...other than Rosie Odonell, which he was correct about.
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By Phoenix.Amandarius 2016-10-11 01:04:48
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Well at least Vic came around to acknowledging my point in his own way on the third try. So back to what I was saying; Hillary remaining so negative I BELIEVE is going to hurt her turnout. She should be going all out positive, but she won't to her own detriment. The enthusiasm to vote for Trump is huge, much more powerful than the enthusiasm to vote against him because she is also a bad option in the eyes of most.
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By Shiva.Viciousss 2016-10-11 01:10:50
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Phoenix.Amandarius said: »
Well at least Vic came around to acknowledging my point in his own way on the third try. So back to what I was saying; Hillary remaining so negative I BELIEVE is going to hurt her turnout. She should be going all out positive, but she won't to her own detriment. The enthusiasm to vote for Trump is huge, much more powerful than the enthusiasm to vote against him because she is also a bad option in the eyes of most.

Unfortunately, your point remains incorrect. Hillary is not running the negative campaign that you are fantasizing about. She has spent no time on the campaign trail being negative, laughing at Trump is not negative.
The idea that Trump is exciting anyone other than his most ardent supporters has pretty much been blown up in the last week. Republicans are running away, independents are running away, he trails in all polls, he trails in all battleground states, he trails in red states, he has run the worst campaign in history.
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By Valefor.Sehachan 2016-10-11 05:42:56
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Clinton spends way too much time for me just degrading her opposition(in every instance, so not just now with Trump). I don't know if that's what you mean by negative campaign, but that's kind of stuff that really makes me roll my eyes and gives me no admiration for her.
Both of these shitty candidates are demagogues, and you're full of a big pile of ***if you say otherwise about either.

But Trump is a complete idiot, and I can't stress enough how appalling it is to see him with that 30ish% of support in such a big and developed country. He's the Duterte of the United States, and with all due respect to the Filippines, but you are expected to do much better than that.

I can definetely sympathize with the disugst of putting in charge another one of the known corrupt politicians that have been driving the metaphorical plane for long enough, but what's the point of this moral stance if in that place you put someone who is just as corrupt, just as selfish, but with the addendum of utter stupidity and incompetence?

Not that I expect these words to resonate with anyone...
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