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Random Politics & Religion #05
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By Lakshmi.Sparthosx 2016-05-13 14:26:26
Anyone other than Zero have an answer?
Trump accidentally referred to 9/11 as 7-11 while in New York. You might recognize New York as being one of the 57 states. Lakshmi.Sparthosx said: »Watch the woman to Trump's right after he says 7-11 instead of 9-11. Thanks, I appreciate it.
So, he made a mistake, so what?
I didn't realize that we put our politicians up on a pedestal so high that we expect them to not only be perfect, but so perfect that they are practically like gods.
I think we all know he made a mistake but Trump makes it very easy to hate him when all he's done this cycle is bash the ever living ***out of tons of people.
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By Asura.Kingnobody 2016-05-13 14:26:34
And you're just repeating the same old crap about Bernie because you can't grasp the concepts. It's not fantasy. It's not "expecting something for free." There's a plan. There's a method. And it very well could work if people would give it a chance. Maybe you can go into greater detail then of what exactly Bernie is promiscing his supporters. His for the ppl. His for the ppl method. Enlighten me. Sander's plan is to tax the hell out of the American public, but he is packaging it up as "tax the rich only" plan. He also wants to tax the hell out of American businesses, but he doesn't realize that it will just be passed on to the American consumer.
So, in order to pay for all of the "free" ***he promises, Americans will have to pay for it out of their own pockets indirectly through higher priced products and less wages. Also, economists already are saying that his plan will put the US economy in a deeper depression than what happened in 2008.
As opposed to Trump who says he's going to cut taxes and still up spending on a bunch of things somehow...? Hey, I don't like Trump's plan any more than anyone else, but it's still better than Hillary's or Sander's plans.
See, this is what I don't get about you, KN. Of all the people here, you should really be a Hillary supporter. Status quo profits you the most, if I understand people's reported situations correctly. Maybe I want to improve everyone's way of life even if it means that I will be worse off than before, temporarily. Which, in the long run, if everyone's lives are better, mine will be too.
By Ramyrez 2016-05-13 14:28:49
Ya'll have Faith. Put it into Politicians. New guy. New promisce. New begining.
Are you talking about Trump?
I'm supposed to put faith in what about him, precisely?
His questionable-at-best feelings on women and minorities? His history of dodgy business practices? His rampant ego problems that have been mocked since the 80s? His habit of being gaudy, ostentatious, and basically defining a generation of stereotypes about the wealthy?
No one should have any faith in Donald Trump to help anyone but Donald Trump.
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By Siren.Akson 2016-05-13 14:29:00
Ya'll have Faith. Put it into Politicians. New guy. New promisce. New begining.
Same ***. Same story. Different day. - hoax So edgy. It's reality... It's a joke. Why would I support a clown on stage that comes to power on behalf of middle class and continues on furthering the same quoto as always.
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By Asura.Kingnobody 2016-05-13 14:29:21
Maybe you can go into greater detail then of what exactly Bernie is promiscing his supporters. His for the ppl [plan]. Enlighten me. Really the only promise I can remember Bernie making is to raise taxes.
But speaking about taxes, there are reasons Trump doesn't want us to see his tax returns.
1, He is only worth about $2b not $10b. His tax returns would show that.
2, He pays an absurdly low low amount for his income. This is speculation but I figure he can afford to hire a bunch of top flight accountants who earn their keep with perfectly legal tax avoidance. Tax returns doesn't show a person's worth. It shows how much money he made that year.
I don't blame him on not showing his tax returns. For one, it's nobody's business, for another, it's not a law requiring candidates to disclose their tax returns, and for a third, it's really nobody's business.
What people will get from his tax returns is misguided information made by people who can't even read tax returns.
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By Cerberus.Pleebo 2016-05-13 14:31:09
Maybe I want to improve everyone's way of life even if it means that I will be worse off than before, temporarily. Which, in the long run, if everyone's lives are better, mine will be too. Quote: I don't care what people will say about me on this, I rather live in a world by myself than to deal with all the stupidity that is humanity. Quote: Personally, I would rather live a world with the population of 1 human.
I don't want to control population, I want it gone for good. Less stupidity in the world that way. Bad day yesterday?
By Ramyrez 2016-05-13 14:32:18
Maybe I want to improve everyone's way of life even if it means that I will be worse off than before, temporarily. Which, in the long run, if everyone's lives are better, mine will be too.
I'd say no one is going to live better under the Donald's plans, but it's actually really hard to say because he hasn't actually released a coherent plan that economists haven't slapped down immediately.
Even the most conservative of economists has said at least Bernie's plans would take a few years to really ***the bed. Donald just wants to spend, spend, spend out of nowhere and make...someone else?...foot the bill, "not Americans."
That'd be some trick.
By Altimaomega 2016-05-13 14:32:18
Ya'll have Faith. Put it into Politicians. New guy. New promisce. New begining.
Same ***. Same story. Different day. - hoax So edgy.
This is still a thing?
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By Altimaomega 2016-05-13 14:34:27
Even the most conservative of economists has said at least Bernie's plans would take a few years to really ***the bed.
Well that settles it then.
By Altimaomega 2016-05-13 14:35:21
Ya'll have Faith. Put it into Politicians. New guy. New promisce. New begining.
Same ***. Same story. Different day. - hoax So edgy. It's reality... It's a joke. Why would I support a clown on stage that comes to power on behalf of middle class and continues on furthering the same quoto as always.
I don't know but trying to decipher the ***you type has me convinced we're not spending enough on public education.
Did we not learn anything from last night?
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By Asura.Kingnobody 2016-05-13 14:36:29
Donald just wants to spend, spend, spend out of nowhere and make...someone else?...foot the bill, "not Americans." Other than the Mexican Wall, where in the world do you get this?
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By Altimaomega 2016-05-13 14:36:55
Did we not learn anything from last night?
Akson likes to vape.
So do millions of other people. Still, not the point of my post.
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By Cerberus.Pleebo 2016-05-13 14:37:47
Even if Bernie's plan made perfect economic sense the same people would be against it ideologically.
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By Asura.Kingnobody 2016-05-13 14:39:15
Even if Bernie's plan made perfect economic sense the same people would be against it ideologically. Not really.
If Sander's plan made perfect economic sense, I believe we would all support it.
Mainly out of shock, because a politician finally made a plan that's not only worth getting into, but also shows the intelligence of the individual themselves.
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By Ramyrez 2016-05-13 14:44:10
Donald just wants to spend, spend, spend out of nowhere and make...someone else?...foot the bill, "not Americans." Other than the Mexican Wall, where in the world do you get this?
Because you say his "plans" are better than Hillary or Bernie's, but there's no viable way you can back that up because he doesn't have any.
He wants to increase spending without having it come from anywhere, which actually what people accuse Bernie of when at least Bernie has said where the money is coming from...even if people don't like it.
Donald's just like "increased spending. No new taxes. Word to your mother."
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By Lakshmi.Sparthosx 2016-05-13 14:44:58
I'd buy this if Trumps lower taxes plans if they were also followed by lowering military spending but instead his plans are essentially cut taxes while also deploying more forces in Asia to remind China that America, *** yeah.
Instead we're made to believe we'll have our cake and eat it too. Like it worked for the Bush plans.
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By Ramyrez 2016-05-13 14:45:37
Even the most conservative of economists has said at least Bernie's plans would take a few years to really ***the bed.
Well that settles it then.
I mean that "conservative ideologically, therefore against him in principle," not "that's the longest it would take to happen."
Yeesh.
By Ramyrez 2016-05-13 14:47:26
I don't blame him on not showing his tax returns. For one, it's nobody's business, for another, it's not a law requiring candidates to disclose their tax returns, and for a third, it's really nobody's business.
I agree there's not much information to be gleaned assuming it's just about his money. But it's also become tradition and the precedent is set.
Then again, Obama also didn't share his college transcripts and that wasn't really a big issue, so who knows.
By Ramyrez 2016-05-13 14:48:44
Did we not learn anything from last night?
Look I'm sorry but some of the things he types are severely deficient in basic sentence structure. Typos and the like are one thing. I make enough of them myself and I'm not the kind to jump all over people's every little error, but there are times he straight-up makes no sense.
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By Siren.Mosin 2016-05-13 14:51:34
I would support free college with really high standards for acceptance. divert the others to community college. hhhmmmm-mmmmmm.
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By Ramyrez 2016-05-13 14:57:00
I would support free college with really high standards for acceptance. divert the others to community college. hhhmmmm-mmmmmm.
Yeah. Well, the structure of electives would have to change, things like that. Most electives are *** anyhow though so colleges can milk you for more money.
I am a full supporter of well-rounded educations, but if you're a history education major you really don't need an intro to computer science course than in five years isn't going to help you so much as assist your school's networking guy resetting a server, etc.
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By Caitsith.Zahrah 2016-05-13 15:02:13
I would support free college with really high standards for acceptance. divert the others to community college. hhhmmmm-mmmmmm.
For this to work, we would have to have a consistent curriculum nation-wide at the HS level so each state will be held to the same standards of education. You would have to enforce weighted GPA on every district, also.
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By Asura.Kingnobody 2016-05-13 15:02:19
Because you say his "plans" are better than Hillary or Bernie's, but there's no viable way you can back that up because he doesn't have any. .
He wants to increase spending without having it come from anywhere, which actually what people accuse Bernie of when at least Bernie has said where the money is coming from...even if people don't like it. You know, I looked for his "spend spend spend" plan you keep referring to, other than that Mexico wall, but I can't seem to find it.
Can you at least show the class where you get your information?
Lakshmi.Sparthosx said: »I'd buy this if Trumps lower taxes plans if they were also followed by lowering military spending but instead his plans are essentially cut taxes while also deploying more forces in Asia to remind China that America, *** yeah.
Instead we're made to believe we'll have our cake and eat it too. Like it worked for the Bush plans. I really don't think Trump wants to start a war here....
I don't even think he wants to create tension with any new conflicts either.
Then again, Obama also didn't share his college transcripts and that wasn't really a big issue, so who knows. If it's ok for Obama to not show his college transcripts, then it's ok for Trump to not show his tax returns.
Both are private information, and both don't give a flying ***, because both only effect the men they are named for.
Siren.Mosin
By Siren.Mosin 2016-05-13 15:05:18
For this to work, we would have to have a consistent curriculum nation-wide at the HS level so each state will be held to the same standards of education. You would have to enforce weighted GPA on every district, also.
seems like a good idea to me, however intrusive on the states rights it may be.
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By Asura.Kingnobody 2016-05-13 15:07:14
I would support free college with really high standards for acceptance. divert the others to community college. hhhmmmm-mmmmmm.
For this to work, we would have to have a consistent curriculum nation-wide at the HS level so each state will be held to the same standards of education. You would have to enforce weighted GPA on every district, also. We will also need to have a retention plan that will force students to stay in school and not drop out after 6 months.
That's where a good chunk of costs come from. Not finishing school.
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Garuda.Chanti
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By Garuda.Chanti 2016-05-13 15:17:39
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What people will get from his tax returns is misguided information made by people who can't even read tax returns. Again we agree on something.
Siren.Akson
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By Siren.Akson 2016-05-13 15:18:51
The Bernie-ator
Quote: The American people must make a fundamental decision. Do we continue the 40-year decline of our middle class and the growing gap between the very rich and everyone else, or do we fight for a progressive economic agenda that creates jobs, raises wages, protects the environment and provides health care for all? We're off to see the Bernie..... If ever a wonderful Bernie was. The Bernie of Oz is one because... cuz, cuz, cuz, because
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Hate to burst your Bernie-Bubble on ya but...
Caitsith.Zahrah
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By Caitsith.Zahrah 2016-05-13 15:19:24
I would support free college with really high standards for acceptance. divert the others to community college. hhhmmmm-mmmmmm.
For this to work, we would have to have a consistent curriculum nation-wide at the HS level so each state will be held to the same standards of education. You would have to enforce weighted GPA on every district, also. We will also need to have a retention plan that will force students to stay in school and not drop out after 6 months.
That's where a good chunk of costs come from. Not finishing school.
Yeah, I'm pretty sure some of us remember the fly-by-night, "FASFA check hit!", caution to the wind nutters.
Thanks for supplying the keg! I think you're a short-sighted dumbass, though.
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