Random Politics & Religion #05

Pre or post transition doesn't matter at all.

Those are basically private rooms not large lavatories.

What was the vote?

What was the vote?

Yes, it does, or we wouldn't be having this conversation.

But it solves the problem before it starts. Yes?

A transwoman is a woman, regardless of her stage of transition.

A transman is a man, regardless of his stage of transition.

The end.

The policy was introduced as a compromise measure in 1993 by President Bill Clinton who campaigned in 1992 on the promise to allow all citizens to serve in the military regardless of sexual orientation.[30] Commander Craig Quigley, a Navy spokesman, expressed the opposition of many in the military at the time when he said, "Homosexuals are notoriously promiscuous" and that in shared shower situations, heterosexuals would have an "uncomfortable feeling of someone watching".[31]

During the 1993 policy debate, the National Defense Research Institute prepared a study for the Office of the Secretary of Defense published as Sexual Orientation and U.S. Military Personnel Policy: Options and Assessment. It concluded that "circumstances could exist under which the ban on homosexuals could be lifted with little or no adverse consequences for recruitment and retention" if the policy were implemented with care, principally because many factors contribute to individual enlistment and re-enlistment decisions.[32] On May 5, 1993, Gregory M. Herek, associate research psychologist at the University of California at Davis and an authority on public attitudes toward lesbians and gay men, testified before the House Armed Services Committee on behalf of several professional associations. He stated: "The research data show that there is nothing about lesbians and gay men that makes them inherently unfit for military service, and there is nothing about heterosexuals that makes them inherently unable to work and live with gay people in close quarters." Herek added: "The assumption that heterosexuals cannot overcome their prejudices toward gay people is a mistaken one."[33]

In Congress, Democratic Senator Sam Nunn of Georgia led the contingent that favored maintaining the absolute ban on gays. Reformers were led by Democratic Congressman Barney Frank of Massachusetts, who favored modification (but ultimately voted for the defense authorization bill with the gay ban language), and Barry Goldwater, a former Republican Senator and a retired Major General,[34] who argued on behalf of allowing service by open gays and lesbians. In a June 1993 Washington Post opinion piece, Goldwater wrote: "You don't have to be straight to shoot straight,"[35] after Congressional phone lines were flooded by organized anti-gay opposition, indicating substantial public opposition to Clinton's open service proposal.[clarification needed]

Congress rushed to enact the existing gay ban policy into federal law, outflanking Clinton's planned repeal effort. Clinton called for legislation to overturn the ban, but encountered intense opposition from the Joint Chiefs of Staff, members of Congress, and portions of the public. DADT emerged as a compromise policy.[36] Congress included text in the National Defense Authorization Act for Fiscal Year 1994 (passed in 1993) requiring the military to abide by regulations essentially identical to the 1982 absolute ban policy.[37] The Clinton Administration on December 21, 1993,[38] issued Defense Directive 1304.26, which directed that military applicants were not to be asked about their sexual orientation.[37] This is the policy now known as "Don't Ask, Don't Tell". The phrase was coined by Charles Moskos, a military sociologist.

In accordance with the December 21, 1993, Department of Defense Directive 1332.14,[39] it was legal policy (10 U.S.C. § 654)[40] that homosexuality was incompatible with military service and that persons who engaged in homosexual acts or stated that they are homosexual or bisexual were to be discharged.[30][37] The Uniform Code of Military Justice, passed by Congress in 1950 and signed by President Harry S Truman, established the policies and procedures for discharging service members.[41]

The full name of the policy at the time was "Don't Ask, Don't Tell, Don't Pursue". The "Don't Ask" provision mandated that military or appointed officials will not ask about or require members to reveal their sexual orientation. The "Don't Tell" stated that a member may be discharged for claiming to be a homosexual or bisexual or making a statement indicating a tendency towards or intent to engage in homosexual activities. The "Don’t Pursue" established what was minimally required for an investigation to be initiated. A "Don’t Harass" provision was added to the policy later. It ensured that the military would not allow harassment or violence against service members for any reason.[36]

The Servicemembers Legal Defense Network was founded in 1993 to advocate an end to discrimination on the basis of sexual orientation in the U.S. Armed Forces.[42]

No the end is after a transition.

So now stores/restaurants need to install 12 individual bathrooms.

A transwoman is a woman, regardless of her stage of transition.

A transman is a man, regardless of his stage of transition.

The end.

You're never going to be correct about anything, are you?

Also, you never answered my question, Altima.

When did you have to wait a few years to get a pass allowing you to use the bathroom associated with your gender identity?

Are you going to provide any information, at all, ever..? I'm guessing no, since you never do. Aman should just take his victory over you and call it a day.

Too bad once again he has whiffed. And you should probably abandon your "conversation" with Raenil because you aren't going to win that either.

You're saying a transition doesn't have an end?

despite conservativeRepublican obstruction, which continues today.

So now it doesn't matter what the vote was, it just matters that the President who did nothing to help that bill pass, who opposed it from its conception, didn't veto it despite an overwhelming majority in both chambers to ensure the bills became law, thus making him "anti-gay." This is where your claims fall apart, and its why the LBGT community continues to support the Clintons. Because they know the truth of his tenure and all the steps forward he took with them, despite conservative obstruction, which continues today.

Sure doesn't. Hormone replacement therapy is an ongoing process for the rest of their life.

I like how you just pinned decades of misrepresentation and ignorance on the community itself as if the entirety of the message about being gay, lesbian, bi, or trans is that you're born that way.

Confusion about "alternative" lifestyles has always been the underlying factor working against lgbt rights, but the appropriate reaction to confusion is to actually TRY to understand and resolve it. Instead, there's historically been a jump to ridiculous legislation that has a successful judicial track record of 0 for 0 so far.

What are you even referring to as fringe?

So the persons own body is telling them to be the gender they where born into until the day they die.

What ads oh you mean something like this:

I can ignore those but the new video ads I'm getting are terrible.

So the persons own body is telling them to be the gender they where born into until the day they die.