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By Shiva.Viciousss 2016-05-19 00:03:19
The only victims of this thread are people that actually read the posts !
Its called skimming!
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By Bahamut.Ravael 2016-05-19 00:03:33
One of these days I'm going to find out what percentage of Vic's posts have references to either Aman or Nausi.
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By fonewear 2016-05-19 00:04:00
I've been trying to cut trans fat from my diet does that count ?
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By Altimaomega 2016-05-19 00:04:20
Perhaps you should backread? Its not my burden to disprove Aman. I know you think its always the left's burden to disprove the right's, regardless of topic, but it's not. Aman thinks the Clinton's hate gays, he has to prove it. He has not presented any facts thus far. I pressed him to and he folded.
He presented his opinion, I know opinions are dreadful things right? Anyways, If you feel the need to have a different opinion and think Admans is wrong, YOU need to present FACTS that disprove Admans opinion. It is not up to him to persuade you or anything, if you think he is wrong, prove it, or go away. Your constant victim card shenanigans are tiresome to say the least.
lol, so now they have gone from "claims" to "opinions", because its convenient for you? Thats cute. Capitalize all you want, it doesn't mean anything. Also, stop trying to be an arm-chair mod, nobody cares, nobody has to meet your "standards" of posting. Once again you are trying to cause drama. And lastly, I have never played the victim card, not once, thats you and nausi.
Yup, I'm the one causing drama here.. You'd better read your post a few times, you sure seem like a victim from my arm-chair.
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By Ragnarok.Raenil 2016-05-19 00:04:32
Phoenix.Amandarius said: »Certain conservative lawmakers have made it an issue by trying to scare their pants-wetting constituents with threats of bearded ladies spying over the bathroom stalls. If you're sick of hearing about it, perhaps take umbrage with them.
Does it have to be a bearded lady though? Can it just be a straight man with jeans and a t-shirt in the ladies room that wants to be in there to watch and listen? If asked to leave can he just say he is transgender and refuse? Are we going to test people like that? So, the solution is to punish innocent people because there are some sick *** in the world?
Seems legit.
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By Shiva.Viciousss 2016-05-19 00:04:48
One of these days I'm going to find out what percentage of Vic's posts have references to either Aman or Nausi.
You will be doing it pro-bono, we aren't wasting any more tax dollars on silly investigations.
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By Phoenix.Amandarius 2016-05-19 00:05:51
Perhaps you should backread? Its not my burden to disprove Aman. I know you think its always the left's burden to disprove the right's, regardless of topic, but it's not. Aman thinks the Clinton's hate gays, he has to prove it. He has not presented any facts thus far. I pressed him to and he folded.
He presented his opinion, I know opinions are dreadful things right? Anyways, If you feel the need to have a different opinion and think Admans is wrong, YOU need to present FACTS that disprove Admans opinion. It is not up to him to persuade you or anything, if you think he is wrong, prove it, or go away. Your constant victim card shenanigans are tiresome to say the least.
lol, so now they have gone from "claims" to "opinions", because its convenient for you? Thats cute. Capitalize all you want, it doesn't mean anything. Also, stop trying to be an arm-chair mod, nobody cares, nobody has to meet your "standards" of posting. Once again you are trying to cause drama. And lastly, I have never played the victim card, not once, thats you and nausi.
Are you still not tired of embarrassing yourself tonight?
Just say "fine, the Clintons were anti-gay but now they are not and I forgive them" and move on. Claiming that they were not completely antigay until two years ago is dishonest.
By Altimaomega 2016-05-19 00:05:59
Phoenix.Amandarius said: »Does it have to be a bearded lady though?
It's in the rules!
Bahamut.Ravael
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By Bahamut.Ravael 2016-05-19 00:08:17
Phoenix.Amandarius said: »Certain conservative lawmakers have made it an issue by trying to scare their pants-wetting constituents with threats of bearded ladies spying over the bathroom stalls. If you're sick of hearing about it, perhaps take umbrage with them.
Does it have to be a bearded lady though? Can it just be a straight man with jeans and a t-shirt in the ladies room that wants to be in there to watch and listen? If asked to leave can he just say he is transgender and refuse? Are we going to test people like that? So, the solution is to punish innocent people because there are some sick *** in the world?
Seems legit.
If you haven't noticed, this is insanely common. For easy examples, look at all of the laws regulating schools and airports. The actions of a few very often affect the freedoms of the many. I'm not saying whether it's right or not, I'm just saying it isn't new.
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By Shiva.Viciousss 2016-05-19 00:08:45
Phoenix.Amandarius said: »Are you still not tired of embarrassing yourself tonight?
Just say "fine, the Clintons were anti-gay but now they are not and I forgive them" and move on. Claiming that they were not completely antigay until two years ago is dishonest.
Nah I'm good. President Clinton has never been anti-gay. You haven't been able to prove to the contrary and you aren't going to be able to so whenever you want to abandon your fantasy its ok.
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By Phoenix.Amandarius 2016-05-19 00:09:08
One of these days I'm going to find out what percentage of Vic's posts have references to either Aman or Nausi.
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Although he is completely unworthy of a song this awesome.
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By Phoenix.Amandarius 2016-05-19 00:09:32
Yo the ads are getting out of control on this site. Horrible.
By fonewear 2016-05-19 00:10:42
Phoenix.Amandarius said: »Yo the ads are getting out of control on this site. Horrible.
What ads oh you mean something like this:
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Ragnarok.Raenil
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By Ragnarok.Raenil 2016-05-19 00:10:47
Phoenix.Amandarius said: »Certain conservative lawmakers have made it an issue by trying to scare their pants-wetting constituents with threats of bearded ladies spying over the bathroom stalls. If you're sick of hearing about it, perhaps take umbrage with them.
Does it have to be a bearded lady though? Can it just be a straight man with jeans and a t-shirt in the ladies room that wants to be in there to watch and listen? If asked to leave can he just say he is transgender and refuse? Are we going to test people like that? So, the solution is to punish innocent people because there are some sick *** in the world?
Seems legit. You know, to be fair, this does seem to be the United States' mentality.
Al Qaeda hiding in caves? Better bomb the cities.
ISIS in civilian filled cities? Better bomb the cities.
Iraq Resistance in civilian filled cities? Better bomb the cities.
Muslim immigrants? Better keep them the *** out.
American citizens who happen to be Muslim? Better get the the *** out.
Bahamut.Ravael
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By Bahamut.Ravael 2016-05-19 00:13:08
Phoenix.Amandarius said: »Yo the ads are getting out of control on this site. Horrible.
What ads oh you mean something like this:

Overweight, middle-aged, nerdy white dude hooking up with a young Asian model? I'd say they're tailoring ads to this site quite well.
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By Phoenix.Amandarius 2016-05-19 00:13:32
Phoenix.Amandarius said: »Are you still not tired of embarrassing yourself tonight?
Just say "fine, the Clintons were anti-gay but now they are not and I forgive them" and move on. Claiming that they were not completely antigay until two years ago is dishonest.
Nah I'm good. President Clinton has never been anti-gay. You haven't been able to prove to the contrary and you aren't going to be able to so whenever you want to abandon your fantasy its ok.
Ok you don't think Don't Ask Don't Tell was antigay. Got it. You don't think the Defense of Marriage Act was antigay. I get it. You don't think Hillary Clinton fighting in the Senate against marriage equality was antigay. I get it.
These things actually happened. You can use any source you want. These are facts. This is real History. Your opinion is they were not antigay because they are the Clintons. Anyone else that did this would be antigay though.
By Altimaomega 2016-05-19 00:14:43
So, the solution is to punish innocent people
How are these innocent people that have undergone a procedure to actually become the opposite sex being punished?
Everyone is saying give me proof of one of them doing something wrong. When that isn't even the argument..
I know! How about you give me proof of them being punished? I'm talking about real Trans here! None of those fakers.
By Altimaomega 2016-05-19 00:16:58
Phoenix.Amandarius said: »Certain conservative lawmakers have made it an issue by trying to scare their pants-wetting constituents with threats of bearded ladies spying over the bathroom stalls. If you're sick of hearing about it, perhaps take umbrage with them.
Does it have to be a bearded lady though? Can it just be a straight man with jeans and a t-shirt in the ladies room that wants to be in there to watch and listen? If asked to leave can he just say he is transgender and refuse? Are we going to test people like that? So, the solution is to punish innocent people because there are some sick *** in the world?
Seems legit. You know, to be fair, this does seem to be the United States' mentality.
Al Qaeda hiding in caves? Better bomb the cities.
ISIS in civilian filled cities? Better bomb the cities.
Iraq Resistance in civilian filled cities? Better bomb the cities.
Muslim immigrants? Better keep them the *** out.
American citizens who happen to be Muslim? Better get the the *** out.
Actually the way your data is presented it is quite American. If you lean left and don't care about reasons and things..
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By Bahamut.Ravael 2016-05-19 00:17:44
Phoenix.Amandarius said: »Phoenix.Amandarius said: »Are you still not tired of embarrassing yourself tonight?
Just say "fine, the Clintons were anti-gay but now they are not and I forgive them" and move on. Claiming that they were not completely antigay until two years ago is dishonest.
Nah I'm good. President Clinton has never been anti-gay. You haven't been able to prove to the contrary and you aren't going to be able to so whenever you want to abandon your fantasy its ok.
Ok you don't think Don't Ask Don't Tell was antigay. Got it. You don't think the Defense of Marriage Act was antigay. I get it. You don't think Hillary Clinton fighting in the Senate against marriage equality was antigay. I get it.
These things actually happened. You can use any source you want. These are facts. This is real History. Your opinion is they were not antigay because they are the Clintons. Anyone else that did this would be antigay though.
Pfft, you call that anti-gay? National legislation is nothing. Now denying them a wedding cake, that's something worth ranting on Facebook about.
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By Ragnarok.Raenil 2016-05-19 00:18:30
Phoenix.Amandarius said: »Certain conservative lawmakers have made it an issue by trying to scare their pants-wetting constituents with threats of bearded ladies spying over the bathroom stalls. If you're sick of hearing about it, perhaps take umbrage with them.
Does it have to be a bearded lady though? Can it just be a straight man with jeans and a t-shirt in the ladies room that wants to be in there to watch and listen? If asked to leave can he just say he is transgender and refuse? Are we going to test people like that? So, the solution is to punish innocent people because there are some sick *** in the world?
Seems legit.
If you haven't noticed, this is insanely common. For easy examples, look at all of the laws regulating schools and airports. The actions of a few very often affect the freedoms of the many. I'm not saying whether it's right or not, I'm just saying it isn't new. Except those were enacted after there was proof of things like that occurring.
No one gave a ***about bathroom safety for anyone until Transgender people started asking for rights. The fact is that most of the people actively protesting are assuming the actual Transgenders are the threat, not some piece of ***who needs a lot of mental help.
By Altimaomega 2016-05-19 00:19:35
Phoenix.Amandarius said: »Certain conservative lawmakers have made it an issue by trying to scare their pants-wetting constituents with threats of bearded ladies spying over the bathroom stalls. If you're sick of hearing about it, perhaps take umbrage with them.
Does it have to be a bearded lady though? Can it just be a straight man with jeans and a t-shirt in the ladies room that wants to be in there to watch and listen? If asked to leave can he just say he is transgender and refuse? Are we going to test people like that? So, the solution is to punish innocent people because there are some sick *** in the world?
Seems legit.
If you haven't noticed, this is insanely common. For easy examples, look at all of the laws regulating schools and airports. The actions of a few very often affect the freedoms of the many. I'm not saying whether it's right or not, I'm just saying it isn't new. Except those were enacted after there was proof of things like that occurring.
No one gave a ***about bathroom safety for anyone until Transgender people started asking for rights. The fact is that most of the people actively protesting are assuming the actual Transgenders are the threat, not some piece of ***who needs a lot of mental help. Sources please. As in, multiple.
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By Phoenix.Amandarius 2016-05-19 00:19:44
Phoenix.Amandarius said: »Certain conservative lawmakers have made it an issue by trying to scare their pants-wetting constituents with threats of bearded ladies spying over the bathroom stalls. If you're sick of hearing about it, perhaps take umbrage with them.
Does it have to be a bearded lady though? Can it just be a straight man with jeans and a t-shirt in the ladies room that wants to be in there to watch and listen? If asked to leave can he just say he is transgender and refuse? Are we going to test people like that? So, the solution is to punish innocent people because there are some sick *** in the world?
Seems legit.
There are a lot more sick f**ks in the World than transgender people.
But regardless of the sick f**ks, I myself simply do not want to be in a room full of women taking dumps. Call me immature. Call me uptight. I am just not there yet. I never will be. Gender neutral public restrooms is absolutely ridiculous.
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By Cerberus.Pleebo 2016-05-19 00:21:14
Nah, going back on stances is more Hillary's thing.
But anyway, I think there's more lashing out at Obama's methods more than his stance per se. Passive-agressive threats seem to be his MO.
Honestly, I think the best thing for the transgender community would be to step away from this metaphorical poo-flinging. They're reacting to the other side's arguments and getting nowhere because of it, as opposed to defining what's actually going on.
Furthering the problem is that on one hand you have the LGBT community saying that actual transgenders are rare, go through a tedious process to change, and would not be readily distinguishable from the gender they identify with in most cases. On the other you have them saying that you are the gender you identify with and should have all the rights associated with that gender, which makes it sound like I can just have a sudden change of heart as I'm standing next to the women's locker room and barge right in, because dang it that's who I decided I am and I have the right to do it! Disagree? Eat an anti-discrimination lawsuit. That's what has people concerned, and while it may sound far-fetched, the LGBT community and the Left in general isn't exactly doing a good job of lasering in on the reality and would instead rather vocally defend the fringes of their ideologies.
No wonder people are confused. I like how you just pinned decades of misrepresentation and ignorance on the community itself as if the entirety of the message about being gay, lesbian, bi, or trans is that you're born that way.
Confusion about "alternative" lifestyles has always been the underlying factor working against lgbt rights, but the appropriate reaction to confusion is to actually TRY to understand and resolve it. Instead, there's historically been a jump to ridiculous legislation that has a successful judicial track record of 0 for 0 so far.
What are you even referring to as fringe?
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By Shiva.Viciousss 2016-05-19 00:21:55
Phoenix.Amandarius said: »Phoenix.Amandarius said: »Are you still not tired of embarrassing yourself tonight?
Just say "fine, the Clintons were anti-gay but now they are not and I forgive them" and move on. Claiming that they were not completely antigay until two years ago is dishonest.
Nah I'm good. President Clinton has never been anti-gay. You haven't been able to prove to the contrary and you aren't going to be able to so whenever you want to abandon your fantasy its ok.
Ok you don't think Don't Ask Don't Tell was antigay. Got it. You don't think the Defense of Marriage Act was antigay. I get it. You don't think Hillary Clinton fighting in the Senate against marriage equality was antigay. I get it.
These things actually happened. You can use any source you want. These are facts. This is real History. Your opinion is they were not antigay because they are the Clintons. Anyone else that did this would be antigay though.
Actually no. I asked you about DOMA and DADT, and uh, you "declined" to answer. So I'll ask again, Who created them? Who authored them? Who passed them? What was the vote? You can't just type DOMA and call it a day. I know you want to, I know you wish that they were executive orders so you can just blame Clinton, but thats not how it works. Thats not what happened.
By fonewear 2016-05-19 00:22:14
Phoenix.Amandarius said: »Phoenix.Amandarius said: »Certain conservative lawmakers have made it an issue by trying to scare their pants-wetting constituents with threats of bearded ladies spying over the bathroom stalls. If you're sick of hearing about it, perhaps take umbrage with them.
Does it have to be a bearded lady though? Can it just be a straight man with jeans and a t-shirt in the ladies room that wants to be in there to watch and listen? If asked to leave can he just say he is transgender and refuse? Are we going to test people like that? So, the solution is to punish innocent people because there are some sick *** in the world?
Seems legit.
There are a lot more sick f**ks in the World than transgender people.
But regardless of the sick f**ks, I myself simply do not want to be in a room full of women taking dumps. Call me immature. Call me uptight. I am just not there yet. I never will be. Gender neutral public restrooms is absolutely ridiculous.
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Ragnarok.Raenil
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By Ragnarok.Raenil 2016-05-19 00:22:15
So, the solution is to punish innocent people
How are these innocent people that have undergone a procedure to actually become the opposite sex being punished?
Everyone is saying give me proof of one of them doing something wrong. When that isn't even the argument..
I know! How about you give me proof of them being punished? I'm talking about real Trans here! None of those fakers. Sorry, when you did you have to go through a multi-stage transition to be allowed to use the bathroom that suited your gender?
I, personally, can't remember having to go through such a thing.
Literally every transgender person who has use the bathroom they don't identify with is being punished. Pre or post transition doesn't matter at all.
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By Phoenix.Amandarius 2016-05-19 00:23:36
Phoenix.Amandarius said: »Phoenix.Amandarius said: »Are you still not tired of embarrassing yourself tonight?
Just say "fine, the Clintons were anti-gay but now they are not and I forgive them" and move on. Claiming that they were not completely antigay until two years ago is dishonest.
Nah I'm good. President Clinton has never been anti-gay. You haven't been able to prove to the contrary and you aren't going to be able to so whenever you want to abandon your fantasy its ok.
Ok you don't think Don't Ask Don't Tell was antigay. Got it. You don't think the Defense of Marriage Act was antigay. I get it. You don't think Hillary Clinton fighting in the Senate against marriage equality was antigay. I get it.
These things actually happened. You can use any source you want. These are facts. This is real History. Your opinion is they were not antigay because they are the Clintons. Anyone else that did this would be antigay though.
Actually no. I asked you about DOMA and DADT, and uh, you "declined" to answer. So I'll ask again, Who created them? Who authored them? Who passed them? What was the vote? You can't just type DOMA and call it a day. I know you want to, I know you wish that they were executive orders so you can just blame Clinton, but thats not how it works. Thats not what happened.
OK everyone involved was antigay, especially the President that signed them into law, Bill Clinton. Why didn't he veto?
By Altimaomega 2016-05-19 00:23:42
Phoenix.Amandarius said: »Gender neutral public restrooms is absolutely ridiculous.
I hate to be the bearer of bad news, and I am totally at a loss why this has never been brought up.
Guess it's wrong for every store to have one of these.
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By Shiva.Viciousss 2016-05-19 00:24:37
Phoenix.Amandarius said: »Phoenix.Amandarius said: »Phoenix.Amandarius said: »Are you still not tired of embarrassing yourself tonight?
Just say "fine, the Clintons were anti-gay but now they are not and I forgive them" and move on. Claiming that they were not completely antigay until two years ago is dishonest.
Nah I'm good. President Clinton has never been anti-gay. You haven't been able to prove to the contrary and you aren't going to be able to so whenever you want to abandon your fantasy its ok.
Ok you don't think Don't Ask Don't Tell was antigay. Got it. You don't think the Defense of Marriage Act was antigay. I get it. You don't think Hillary Clinton fighting in the Senate against marriage equality was antigay. I get it.
These things actually happened. You can use any source you want. These are facts. This is real History. Your opinion is they were not antigay because they are the Clintons. Anyone else that did this would be antigay though.
Actually no. I asked you about DOMA and DADT, and uh, you "declined" to answer. So I'll ask again, Who created them? Who authored them? Who passed them? What was the vote? You can't just type DOMA and call it a day. I know you want to, I know you wish that they were executive orders so you can just blame Clinton, but thats not how it works. Thats not what happened.
OK everyone involved was antigay, especially the President that signed them into law, Bill Clinton. Why didn't he veto?
What was the vote?
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By Phoenix.Amandarius 2016-05-19 00:25:33
Phoenix.Amandarius said: »Gender neutral public restrooms is absolutely ridiculous.
I hate to be the bearer of bad news, and I am totally at a loss why this has never been brought up.
Guess it's wrong for every store to have one of these.
Those are basically private rooms not large lavatories.
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