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Random Politics & Religion #05
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By Bahamut.Milamber 2016-05-16 11:36:45
The ACA is not socialized healthcare. You are not paying for anyone's surgeries. The insurance company is, and another person's healthcare is not your business no matter how much you want to pretend like it affects you. Besides Altima, who doesn't know the difference, who else is saying that it is?
This isn't Canada™.
How is me paying a tax to subsidize insurance companies, so they can give cheaper or free healthcare to people, not paying for someone else surgeries? What tax?
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By Terlet Sangria 2016-05-16 11:37:00
"strawman" ~> "Trumping it up"
I knew I kept you around for a reason
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By Asura.Kingnobody 2016-05-16 11:44:35
The ACA is not socialized healthcare. You are not paying for anyone's surgeries. The insurance company is, and another person's healthcare is not your business no matter how much you want to pretend like it affects you. Besides Altima, who doesn't know the difference, who else is saying that it is?
This isn't Canada™.
How is me paying a tax to subsidize insurance companies, so they can give cheaper or free healthcare to people, not paying for someone else surgeries? What tax? Altima thinks that paying for somebody else's insurance is the same as paying for their surgery.
Don't mind him.
By Altimaomega 2016-05-16 11:45:52
The ACA is not socialized healthcare. You are not paying for anyone's surgeries. The insurance company is, and another person's healthcare is not your business no matter how much you want to pretend like it affects you. Besides Altima, who doesn't know the difference, who else is saying that it is?
This isn't Canada™.
How is me paying a tax to subsidize insurance companies, so they can give cheaper or free healthcare to people, not paying for someone else surgeries? What tax?
The tax for not having insurance? The taxes I pay for medicare and Medicaid, those are not really "free" you know?
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By Siren.Mosin 2016-05-16 11:46:49
I knew I kept you around for a reason
I'm not so sure the pros outweigh the cons...
By Altimaomega 2016-05-16 11:47:07
The ACA is not socialized healthcare. You are not paying for anyone's surgeries. The insurance company is, and another person's healthcare is not your business no matter how much you want to pretend like it affects you. Besides Altima, who doesn't know the difference, who else is saying that it is?
This isn't Canada™.
How is me paying a tax to subsidize insurance companies, so they can give cheaper or free healthcare to people, not paying for someone else surgeries? What tax? Altima thinks that paying for somebody else's insurance is the same as paying for their surgery.
Don't mind him.
How is it not!?! They are not paying for it! Even if they are it is at a discounted rate, thanks to the taxes I pay!
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By Lakshmi.Zerowone 2016-05-16 11:48:55
We need a thing for chronic conflating.
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By Anna Ruthven 2016-05-16 11:49:19
The ACA is not socialized healthcare. You are not paying for anyone's surgeries. The insurance company is, and another person's healthcare is not your business no matter how much you want to pretend like it affects you. Besides Altima, who doesn't know the difference, who else is saying that it is?
This isn't Canada™.
How is me paying a tax to subsidize insurance companies, so they can give cheaper or free healthcare to people, not paying for someone else surgeries? What tax? Altima thinks that paying for somebody else's insurance is the same as paying for their surgery.
Don't mind him.
How is it not!?! They are not paying for it! Even if they are it is at a discounted rate, thanks to the taxes I pay! If you're paying taxes which go to the government and the government pays Obama for being president...you're putting money directly in Obama's pocket, one fraction of a cent at a time.
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By Asura.Kingnobody 2016-05-16 11:50:06
The ACA is not socialized healthcare. You are not paying for anyone's surgeries. The insurance company is, and another person's healthcare is not your business no matter how much you want to pretend like it affects you. Besides Altima, who doesn't know the difference, who else is saying that it is?
This isn't Canada™.
How is me paying a tax to subsidize insurance companies, so they can give cheaper or free healthcare to people, not paying for someone else surgeries? What tax? Altima thinks that paying for somebody else's insurance is the same as paying for their surgery.
Don't mind him.
How is it not!?! They are not paying for it! Even if they are it is at a discounted rate, thanks to the taxes I pay! Paying for insurance is not the same as paying for the surgery.
Remember, even if the government is paying for the insurance, the insured still has to pay for the deductible. They are still paying for a portion of the surgery at hand. Unless that surgery costs more than $6,350 and/or the deductible amount of the insurance, that is.
But remember, these insurance plans the government is paying (part or all) are high deductible plans....
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By Bahamut.Milamber 2016-05-16 11:50:46
The ACA is not socialized healthcare. You are not paying for anyone's surgeries. The insurance company is, and another person's healthcare is not your business no matter how much you want to pretend like it affects you. Besides Altima, who doesn't know the difference, who else is saying that it is?
This isn't Canada™.
How is me paying a tax to subsidize insurance companies, so they can give cheaper or free healthcare to people, not paying for someone else surgeries? What tax? Altima thinks that paying for somebody else's insurance is the same as paying for their surgery.
Don't mind him.
How is it not!?! They are not paying for it! Even if they are it is at a discounted rate, thanks to the taxes I pay! If you're paying taxes which go to the government and the government pays Obama for being president...you're putting money directly in Obama's pocket, one fraction of a cent at a time. 
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By Asura.Kingnobody 2016-05-16 11:50:50
The ACA is not socialized healthcare. You are not paying for anyone's surgeries. The insurance company is, and another person's healthcare is not your business no matter how much you want to pretend like it affects you. Besides Altima, who doesn't know the difference, who else is saying that it is?
This isn't Canada™.
How is me paying a tax to subsidize insurance companies, so they can give cheaper or free healthcare to people, not paying for someone else surgeries? What tax? Altima thinks that paying for somebody else's insurance is the same as paying for their surgery.
Don't mind him.
How is it not!?! They are not paying for it! Even if they are it is at a discounted rate, thanks to the taxes I pay! If you're paying taxes which go to the government and the government pays Obama for being president...you're putting money directly in Obama's pocket, one fraction of a cent at a time. Damn you General Fund! Damn you I say!
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By Lakshmi.Zerowone 2016-05-16 11:51:46
The ACA is not socialized healthcare. You are not paying for anyone's surgeries. The insurance company is, and another person's healthcare is not your business no matter how much you want to pretend like it affects you. Besides Altima, who doesn't know the difference, who else is saying that it is?
This isn't Canada™.
How is me paying a tax to subsidize insurance companies, so they can give cheaper or free healthcare to people, not paying for someone else surgeries? What tax? Altima thinks that paying for somebody else's insurance is the same as paying for their surgery.
Don't mind him.
How is it not!?! They are not paying for it! Even if they are it is at a discounted rate, thanks to the taxes I pay! If you're paying taxes which go to the government and the government pays Obama for being president...you're putting money directly in Obama's pocket, one fraction of a cent at a time.
You're the Spicoli of P and R. Don't ever change.
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By Anna Ruthven 2016-05-16 11:51:54
Unless that surgery costs more than $6,350 From what I've heard; it's about like buying a car outright.
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By Anna Ruthven 2016-05-16 11:53:20
The ACA is not socialized healthcare. You are not paying for anyone's surgeries. The insurance company is, and another person's healthcare is not your business no matter how much you want to pretend like it affects you. Besides Altima, who doesn't know the difference, who else is saying that it is?
This isn't Canada™.
How is me paying a tax to subsidize insurance companies, so they can give cheaper or free healthcare to people, not paying for someone else surgeries? What tax? Altima thinks that paying for somebody else's insurance is the same as paying for their surgery.
Don't mind him.
How is it not!?! They are not paying for it! Even if they are it is at a discounted rate, thanks to the taxes I pay! If you're paying taxes which go to the government and the government pays Obama for being president...you're putting money directly in Obama's pocket, one fraction of a cent at a time.
You're the Spicoli of P and R. Don't ever change. If you're here and I'm here, doesn't that make this our time?
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By Asura.Kingnobody 2016-05-16 11:55:06
Unless that surgery costs more than $6,350 From what I've heard; it's about like buying a car outright. Naw, it's part of the ACA, one of the few parts that actually made sense.
That's the limit, and it's not adjusted for inflation, so that limit stays. It's a yearly limit, though.
By Altimaomega 2016-05-16 11:55:27
The ACA is not socialized healthcare. You are not paying for anyone's surgeries. The insurance company is, and another person's healthcare is not your business no matter how much you want to pretend like it affects you. Besides Altima, who doesn't know the difference, who else is saying that it is?
This isn't Canada™.
How is me paying a tax to subsidize insurance companies, so they can give cheaper or free healthcare to people, not paying for someone else surgeries? What tax? Altima thinks that paying for somebody else's insurance is the same as paying for their surgery.
Don't mind him.
How is it not!?! They are not paying for it! Even if they are it is at a discounted rate, thanks to the taxes I pay! If you're paying taxes which go to the government and the government pays Obama for being president...you're putting money directly in Obama's pocket, one fraction of a cent at a time.
The country voted for Obama at least. They Did not vote for the ACA!
Paying for insurance is not the same as paying for the surgery.
Remember, even if the government is paying for the insurance, the insured still has to pay for the deductible. They are still paying for a portion of the surgery at hand. Unless that surgery costs more than $6,350 and/or the deductible amount of the insurance, that is.
But remember, these insurance plans the government is paying (part or all) are high deductible plans....
So none of my tax dollars go towards this? Oh, wait, they do. You just said so!
So please, explain to me why I am wrong?
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By Lakshmi.Zerowone 2016-05-16 11:56:23
In other news Sophie Trudeau wife of Canadian Prime Minister has some first world problems and managed to upset Canadians. Which is remarkable.
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By Anna Ruthven 2016-05-16 11:57:20
The country voted for Obama at least. They Did not vote for the ACA!
If you voted for Obama and Obama passed the ACA, you voted for the ACA. Same logic as taxes paying for sex changes.
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By Lakshmi.Zerowone 2016-05-16 11:57:21
The ACA is not socialized healthcare. You are not paying for anyone's surgeries. The insurance company is, and another person's healthcare is not your business no matter how much you want to pretend like it affects you. Besides Altima, who doesn't know the difference, who else is saying that it is?
This isn't Canada™.
How is me paying a tax to subsidize insurance companies, so they can give cheaper or free healthcare to people, not paying for someone else surgeries? What tax? Altima thinks that paying for somebody else's insurance is the same as paying for their surgery.
Don't mind him.
How is it not!?! They are not paying for it! Even if they are it is at a discounted rate, thanks to the taxes I pay! If you're paying taxes which go to the government and the government pays Obama for being president...you're putting money directly in Obama's pocket, one fraction of a cent at a time.
The country voted for Obama at least. They Did not vote for the ACA!
Paying for insurance is not the same as paying for the surgery.
Remember, even if the government is paying for the insurance, the insured still has to pay for the deductible. They are still paying for a portion of the surgery at hand. Unless that surgery costs more than $6,350 and/or the deductible amount of the insurance, that is.
But remember, these insurance plans the government is paying (part or all) are high deductible plans....
So none of my tax dollars go towards this? Oh, wait, they do. You just said so!
So please, explain to me why I am wrong?
Stop fronting you don't even pay taxes :p
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By Altimaomega 2016-05-16 11:58:11
Personal attack?
By Altimaomega 2016-05-16 12:00:13
The country voted for Obama at least. They Did not vote for the ACA!
If you voted for Obama and Obama passed the ACA, you voted for the ACA. Same logic as taxes paying for sex changes.
Fairly certain it has been established that the ACA was passed against the will of the people. The Democrats lost control of both the senate and the house because of it. But w/e helps you sleep at night.
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By Anna Ruthven 2016-05-16 12:01:17
More like an assumption of some sort.
The country voted for Obama at least. They Did not vote for the ACA!
If you voted for Obama and Obama passed the ACA, you voted for the ACA. Same logic as taxes paying for sex changes.
Fairly certain it has been established that the ACA was passed against the will of the people. The Democrats lost control of both the senate and the house because of it. But w/e helps you sleep at night. You leave my ambien out of this.
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By Lakshmi.Zerowone 2016-05-16 12:01:34
I think you mean "Internet Fights".
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By Asura.Kingnobody 2016-05-16 12:02:35
So none of my tax dollars go towards this? Oh, wait, they do. You just said so!
So please, explain to me why I am wrong? Follow the cash, and ownership of that cash.
When it goes from the government's hands to the insurance's hands, it stops being classified as public money and is now classified as private money.
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By Lakshmi.Zerowone 2016-05-16 12:04:24
More like an assumption of some sort.
Or a joke that peels back a layer that is intriguing about the argument.
Do you know how many complain about this topic about where taxes go but actually don't pay taxes?
By Ramyrez 2016-05-16 12:08:46
Do you know how many complain about this topic about where taxes go but actually don't pay taxes?
It's like people on disability who vote hard, hard, hard right.
Makes me laugh. In their face.
Literally.
In the correct use of the word.
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By Shiva.Viciousss 2016-05-16 12:11:46
The country voted for Obama at least. They Did not vote for the ACA!
If you voted for Obama and Obama passed the ACA, you voted for the ACA. Same logic as taxes paying for sex changes.
Fairly certain it has been established that the ACA was passed against the will of the people. The Democrats lost control of both the senate and the house because of it. But w/e helps you sleep at night.
No it hasn't. And no, losing the Senate had way more to do with the Senate map over anything else. I've said this many times, if the Senate map from 2014 and 2016 were reversed, the Dems would still easily hold the Senate with the GOP primed to take over this year. I'm guessing they would prefer this looking at the state of things.
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By Lakshmi.Zerowone 2016-05-16 12:12:12
That's just mean.
By Ramyrez 2016-05-16 12:13:36
Assuming you're referring to me, you'd be right in most cases and I wouldn't do it in most cases.
It's one very specific case.
And I can't give any more details because there's an outside chance of that person seeing this and I'd hate that person to think I'm outing them about their disability and/or political beliefs.
...that may be redundant.
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By Shiva.Viciousss 2016-05-16 12:16:11
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STOP! Hammertime?
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