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By Ramyrez 2016-05-16 11:01:53
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You went to a total extreme, which is what happens with EVERY single topic. I should have just ignored 100% of what you said, but I had to point out the horribleness.

I did not go to an extreme. I suggested the problem with your blanket statement which -- in and of itself -- is extreme by quashing all things cosmetic without consideration of context.
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By Valefor.Sehachan 2016-05-16 11:02:08
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Ramyrez said: »
"straw man" should become ban-able offenses
When it's thrown around incorrectly *** yes it should!
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By Asura.Kingnobody 2016-05-16 11:02:52
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In the grand scheme of things, what we say is hypothetical in nature anyway.

Sure, we have opinions on how to run this country, but in reality, all we can do is watch the world burn what happens in Congress, White House, and Supreme Court.

If Obama signs an executive order on what schools should do with the kid's bathrooms, then we can debate on the legality of it. Also, debate as to why in the hell did he wait until this became a hot-topic issue instead of doing it at the start of his terms.
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By Ramyrez 2016-05-16 11:03:43
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Valefor.Sehachan said: »
When it's thrown around incorrectly *** yes it should!

When it's used at all at this point, as it's become, well.

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By Altimaomega 2016-05-16 11:03:44
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Ramyrez said: »
Altimaomega said: »
You went to a total extreme, which is what happens with EVERY single topic. I should have just ignored 100% of what you said, but I had to point out the horribleness.

I did not go to an extreme. I suggested the problem with your blanket statement which -- in and of itself -- is extreme by quashing all things cosmetic without consideration of context.

I figured it would be common knowledge that cosmetic and reconstructive are considered different? My bad?

From where I sit you was just trying to be difficult and could care less about anything else.
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By Asura.Kingnobody 2016-05-16 11:04:20
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Ramyrez said: »
I swear to ***the words "victim card" and "straw man" should become ban-able offenses.
Not going to happen. Those cards get played way too often.

Now, if you were to include actually making strawman arguments to become a banable offence, then I might side with you on that one.
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By Shiva.Viciousss 2016-05-16 11:05:35
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Ramyrez said: »
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We aren't agreeing with altima, therefore, victim card. Circle of life indeed.

Not helping.

I swear to ***the words "victim card" and "straw man" should become ban-able offenses.

I'm not trying to "help." It took one contrary post for altima to start complaining. It happens on every topic, including this one.
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By Altimaomega 2016-05-16 11:10:05
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Shiva.Viciousss said: »
Ramyrez said: »
Shiva.Viciousss said: »
We aren't agreeing with altima, therefore, victim card. Circle of life indeed.

Not helping.

I swear to ***the words "victim card" and "straw man" should become ban-able offenses.

I'm not trying to "help." It took one contrary post for altima to start complaining. It happens on every topic, including this one.

I'm actually complaining in 99% of my posts. It's part of talking Politics.

Anyways. Why are you even here? Not like you say anything, and you admit to "not helping"..
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By Terlet Sangria 2016-05-16 11:14:10
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Ramyrez said: »
Shiva.Viciousss said: »
We aren't agreeing with altima, therefore, victim card. Circle of life indeed.

Not helping.

I swear to ***the words "victim card" and "straw man" should become ban-able offenses.

My text-replacer does still work; maybe I should turn it back on. Suggestions for what to replace them with?
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By Shiva.Viciousss 2016-05-16 11:14:33
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No actually, resorting to complaining in every post about the state of the conversation is not and has never been part of "talking politics."
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By Anna Ruthven 2016-05-16 11:14:35
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I think if you wanted to label gender reassignment surgery as 'cosmetic' you'd have to further define cosmetic which, iirc, is "just for looks with no function"

I get the argument for it being labelled as cosmetic, but it actually has function. No, it can't cause a genetic male to give birth or a genetic female to impregnate but it does allow sexual function, more so in male-to-female operations than in female-to-male operations which is why many transmen opt for use of prosthesis or other procedures than full GRS.

Let's clear one thing up, a transgender person is not like me or, most if not all of you. A transwoman isn't a man who wakes up one day and thinks "I want to be a woman so I'm going to have this lopped off." or "I bet if I get a sex change I can go into the women's bathroom and..." ...do whatever you people think they are doing. Usually, by most accounts I've read, it's not something you just hear about and think "that might be fun!" It's something that is kinda in the back of your head since early childhood.

These thoughts of transpeople being pervs just because they become a different gender is flabbergasting. We went through this with gays, saying "well, what if two men are having sex in the park while your kids are playing?" then we finally realize that gay people are just like everyone else and straight people are just as likely to do that ***as gays are. Trans are the same. Being gay or trans is not the same as being a pervert.

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By Ramyrez 2016-05-16 11:15:00
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Altimaomega said: »
Anyways. Why are you even here? Not like you say anything, and you admit to "not helping"..

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By Ramyrez 2016-05-16 11:15:45
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Terlet Sangria said: »
My text-replacer does still work; maybe I should turn it back on. Suggestions for what to replace them with?

Something reflexive and deliciously depraved, the more offense the better.
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By Lakshmi.Zerowone 2016-05-16 11:16:13
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So in other news Venezuela a country I am banned from declared a state of emergency over the weekend. Sounds like a weird hijacking of the state is going on based on the reasons why it was declares.

But zerowone why were you banned? Chavez wasn't a fan of Mercenaries' 2.
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By Shiva.Viciousss 2016-05-16 11:19:00
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Lakshmi.Zerowone said: »
So in other news Venezuela a country I am banned from declared a state of emergency over the weekend. Sounds like a weird hijacking of the state is going on based on the reasons why it was declares.

But zerowone why were you banned? Chavez wasn't a fan of Mercenaries' 2.

Is there anything going right in South America?
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By Altimaomega 2016-05-16 11:19:08
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Anna Ruthven said: »
I think if you wanted to label gender reassignment surgery as 'cosmetic' you'd have to further define cosmetic which, iirc, is "just for looks with no function"

I get the argument for it being labelled as cosmetic, but it actually has function. No, it can't cause a genetic male to give birth or a genetic female to impregnate but it does allow sexual function, more so in male-to-female operations than in female-to-male operations which is why many transmen opt for use of prosthesis or other procedures than full GRS.

Let's clear one thing up, a transgender person is not like me or, most if not all of you. A transwoman isn't a man who wakes up one day and thinks "I want to be a woman so I'm going to have this lopped off." or "I bet if I get a sex change I can go into the women's bathroom and..." ...do whatever you people think they are doing. Usually, by most accounts I've read, it's not something you just hear about and think "that might be fun!" It's something that is kinda in the back of your head since early childbirth.

That's fine.. Get a Job and pay for it. Nobody should be paying for it for you.
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By Anna Ruthven 2016-05-16 11:21:27
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Altimaomega said: »
Anna Ruthven said: »
I think if you wanted to label gender reassignment surgery as 'cosmetic' you'd have to further define cosmetic which, iirc, is "just for looks with no function"

I get the argument for it being labelled as cosmetic, but it actually has function. No, it can't cause a genetic male to give birth or a genetic female to impregnate but it does allow sexual function, more so in male-to-female operations than in female-to-male operations which is why many transmen opt for use of prosthesis or other procedures than full GRS.

Let's clear one thing up, a transgender person is not like me or, most if not all of you. A transwoman isn't a man who wakes up one day and thinks "I want to be a woman so I'm going to have this lopped off." or "I bet if I get a sex change I can go into the women's bathroom and..." ...do whatever you people think they are doing. Usually, by most accounts I've read, it's not something you just hear about and think "that might be fun!" It's something that is kinda in the back of your head since early childbirth.

That's fine.. Get a Job and pay for it. Nobody should be paying for it for you.
Not me. I self identify as a treekin and have a total lower branch for Groot.

You can't kill me ***, I'm a goddamn tree!
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By Asura.Kingnobody 2016-05-16 11:24:06
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Terlet Sangria said: »
Ramyrez said: »
Shiva.Viciousss said: »
We aren't agreeing with altima, therefore, victim card. Circle of life indeed.

Not helping.

I swear to ***the words "victim card" and "straw man" should become ban-able offenses.

My text-replacer does still work; maybe I should turn it back on. Suggestions for what to replace them with?
"victim card" should be replaced with "Thanks Obama"

"strawman" should be replaced with "Happy Happy Fun Time"
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By Cerberus.Pleebo 2016-05-16 11:24:54
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The ACA is not socialized healthcare. You are not paying for anyone's surgeries. The insurance company is, and another person's healthcare is not your business no matter how much you want to pretend like it affects you.
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By Asura.Kingnobody 2016-05-16 11:25:49
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Anna Ruthven said: »
I think if you wanted to label gender reassignment surgery as 'cosmetic' you'd have to further define cosmetic which, iirc, is "just for looks with no function"

I get the argument for it being labelled as cosmetic, but it actually has function. No, it can't cause a genetic male to give birth or a genetic female to impregnate but it does allow sexual function, more so in male-to-female operations than in female-to-male operations which is why many transmen opt for use of prosthesis or other procedures than full GRS.

Let's clear one thing up, a transgender person is not like me or, most if not all of you. A transwoman isn't a man who wakes up one day and thinks "I want to be a woman so I'm going to have this lopped off." or "I bet if I get a sex change I can go into the women's bathroom and..." ...do whatever you people think they are doing. Usually, by most accounts I've read, it's not something you just hear about and think "that might be fun!" It's something that is kinda in the back of your head since early childhood.

These thoughts of transpeople being pervs just because they become a different gender is flabbergasting. We went through this with gays, saying "well, what if two men are having sex in the park while your kids are playing?" then we finally realize that gay people are just like everyone else and straight people are just as likely to do that ***as gays are. Trans are the same. Being gay or trans is not the same as being a pervert.

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Like I said before, there is already a tax law in place that determines what is considered reconstruction and what is considered cosmetic.

And yes, reconstruction includes surgeries for transgender people.
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By Altimaomega 2016-05-16 11:26:15
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Anna Ruthven said: »
You can't kill me ***, I'm a goddamn tree!

My Furnace says otherwise. xD
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By Altimaomega 2016-05-16 11:27:25
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The ACA is not socialized healthcare. You are not paying for anyone's surgeries. The insurance company is, and another person's healthcare is not your business no matter how much you want to pretend like it affects you.

Talk about semantics.
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By Asura.Kingnobody 2016-05-16 11:28:36
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Cerberus.Pleebo said: »
The ACA is not socialized healthcare. You are not paying for anyone's surgeries. The insurance company is, and another person's healthcare is not your business no matter how much you want to pretend like it affects you.
Besides Altima, who doesn't know the difference, who else is saying that it is?

This isn't Canada™.
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By Terlet Sangria 2016-05-16 11:29:22
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Asura.Kingnobody said: »
"victim card" should be replaced with "Thanks Obama"

"strawman" should be replaced with "Happy Happy Fun Time"

Can't do BBCode in the replacer, sadly. BBCode is interpreted at post time, replacement happens at render time (which is how I can turn it on/off).

victim card -> Thanks Obama is decent, but it'd make things read funny. Ideally we just replace nouns with nouns, so people backreading without the context are like "what in the HELL?"
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By Terlet Sangria 2016-05-16 11:30:14
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Altimaomega said: »
Cerberus.Pleebo said: »
The ACA is not socialized healthcare. You are not paying for anyone's surgeries. The insurance company is, and another person's healthcare is not your business no matter how much you want to pretend like it affects you.

Talk about semantics.

Uh, that's not semantics. That's a pretty big difference.

One of them, you'd be paying for it via taxes, and the other, you aren't.

That's not a minor nitpick.
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By Altimaomega 2016-05-16 11:32:15
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Asura.Kingnobody said: »
Cerberus.Pleebo said: »
The ACA is not socialized healthcare. You are not paying for anyone's surgeries. The insurance company is, and another person's healthcare is not your business no matter how much you want to pretend like it affects you.
Besides Altima, who doesn't know the difference, who else is saying that it is?

This isn't Canada™.

How is me paying a tax to subsidize insurance companies, so they can give cheaper or free healthcare to people, not paying for someone else surgeries?
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By Altimaomega 2016-05-16 11:32:40
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Terlet Sangria said: »
Uh, that's not semantics. That's a pretty big difference.

One of them, you'd be paying for it via taxes, and the other, you aren't.

That's not a minor nitpick.

See above post please.
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By Altimaomega 2016-05-16 11:34:27
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Terlet Sangria said: »
so people backreading without the context

You should ban this! Probably where most of the problems arise.
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By Asura.Kingnobody 2016-05-16 11:34:28
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Terlet Sangria said: »
victim card -> Thanks Obama is decent, but it'd make things read funny.
Why do you think I said both of those things?

April Fools Day™ all over again!

But here are some other suggestions:

"victim card" ~> "crybaby card"

"strawman" ~> "Trumping it up"

"personal attacks" ~> "Internet fights"
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