Random Politics & Religion #05

If you stopped for a moment you'd realize that nobody is missing any point here except for you.
No one is specifically targeting your own view of immigrants, but the topic itself. And there is a bigger picture that says that a lot of people just hate immigrants regardless of their status.

Stop getting mad at everyone and start from that notion if you want to debate this topic with others. Otherwise just enjoy the following pages of drama I guess.

If you're referring to this:
Then I'm specifically saying that these are people who are admittedly racist and using racial slurs and genuinely hateful language. They have zero tolerance for the introduction of new people and cultures into their community. These are people who wear "bigot" like it was a medal.

That I could probably agree with, look progress! Instead of relying on those hate words to make your point you just used them to show it. Big Difference!


Do you even know what Ellis Island was for? Do you really think illegal immigration is a new thing?


Dunno why people think I miss the point when they never make one.. You ever think you miss my point?

Look even more accusations!

Then why do they quote me?

Never seen that here. Got any proof?


Who said I was mad? Bloodrose is the only one that seems to even care about debate here, everyone else just wants to stray off-topic and make the conversation about anything but Illegal Immigrants. Kinda like our Government!

Who are "these people"? Do you consider having to learn English a form of bigotry and racism?

Have you thought about the question your asking from outside the perspective of being a modern day American?

I mean like say if you were part of nation or culture that was not able to successfully repel the British Empire in the past?

So, everyone here thinks that Illegal Immigrants need to be sent home IF they came here Illegally? Hence the term Illegal Immigrants that everyone seems to be having a problem using..

This is pretty prevalent over here these days

Almost every country requires newcomers to be able to speak, or learn to speak their native language, when required, usually for collective understanding and common communication between them and the government/work.

For example, in Canada, you have to be able to pick up, or already speak English or French. Although when immigrants to come in, we can provide translators for official conduct upon entry. It helps them to acclimate to our cultural diversity, rather than forcing conformation that ends up intimidating them, or causing language barriers that exist, to remain in place.

Do you?

Because you obviously don't.

Sooooo how about London and Rotterdam electing mayors that are Muslim? That's pretty progressive. Also perfect for thread that contains the tile "Politics and Religion". >.>

Good thing that America (on purpose) has no national language.

"These people" being the racists. Most immigrants are coming from Brazil, Jamaica, and eastern Europe/Russia, and the ones taking these service jobs are English speaking. Very common for them to go to the community college I teach at if they stay longer than summer.

Learning a new language is a form of adaptation. It shouldn't be required because there are other ways to adapt that can be just as effective for the life that the immigrant wants to live. If it's "Learn English or be exported/lose human rights", then yeah that's racist/bigoted.

Would you be surprised if I said yes?
Have you ever thought what the world would be like if America had never repealed the British Empire?

We most likely would not be having this discussion, since the innovative nature of Americans have propelled EVERYTHING since the revolution.

Your welcome!

Please enlighten me Mr. Information.

Again you speak of Legal Immigrants for one.

Picky picky.

It's the Official Language. Why do we want people that are unable to speak or read our laws and official documents?

and acclimate to the rest of the population?**

No it isn't.

Because it is moot.

Un-American.

Whether they're legal or not doesn't change the fact that they're subjected to bigotry, nor does it change what I said about learning English not being necessary to live here.

I'm glad to come back and see how quickly this conversation has devolved. Stay classy, P&R.

Jet's right, America doesn't have a legal standing "Official" language. It's been left open because of the nature of the country's origin, but there was a time when it could have been German or English as an official language. It's more of the unofficial "Official" Language. For Government documents, it simply makes it easier to organize, and more uniformly understood, instead of having to document each one into several categories, which would cost waaaay to damn much to be fiscally responsible.

Perhaps you should read up on words you don't know the definition to.

Acclimate: To become accustomed to a new climate or new conditions.
In this case, they would be accustomed to new or different conditions, not only in terms of climate, but also socially. However that doesn't mean they are necessarily conforming to the entire population's way of living, but taking in, and adding to the cultural diversity.

There is no quote unquote "Official Language of the USA". English is the primary language but is not the "official language".

States have official languages. But not every state does.
Here is a list:

Alabama, Alaska, Arkansas, California, Colorado, Florida, Georgia, Hawaii, Illinois, Indiana, Iowa, Kentucky, Louisiana, Massachusetts, Mississippi, Missouri, Montana, Nebraska, New Hampshire, North Carolina, North Dakota, South Carolina, South Dakota, Tennessee, Utah, Virginia, Wyoming.

Not surprising Michigan is not on that list. Might have something do with all those French and Ojibwa signs I see when I visit.

And no, the part about reading up on words you don't know the definition to, isn't a personal attack.

I read up on words I don't know the definition to as well.

But if I express indirectly that I don't understand something and you directly tell me I don't understand it = Personal Attack.

sadly that's what the powers that be seem to allow these day.

Eh, which is why I've stayed out of PnR for a long time.

I'll also look up words I'm unsure of the spelling for, or to make sure I'm using it in the right context.

If anything, I'd say this is a better example of a personal attack.

Observations like that, can definitely be personal attacks. Hell, I'd expect it to be treated like one. Even if he's not personally offended by it.

But much more to Zero's point, is that certain people take great personal offense to anything said that is contrary to their opinion, or that challenges their opinion, the content of their expressed ideas, etc. when it hasn't done anything to actually insult or belittle them, such as pointing out the flaws in their arguments.

The *** world. Go outside sometimes.

Jesus *** Christ, can we not go two days without this turning into a shitshow?

Topicbans incoming.

Topicbanned. That's a straight up attack, period.

Everything else just seems to be a lot of belligerence, but moooooostly sticking to policies and (oh boy!) semantic arguments. It's all angry as hell though, and some of us could benefit from an ambien and a nap.

While I'm here:


Conversations are not static entities. They can, and will, and should evolve. Discussion of loopholes in visa laws is as valid a topic as one can have here. Stop pouting because the topic changed.

So, deep breaths, and let's all come back down for a second and talk about a topic I know we can all have a good chuckle about:

http://www.latimes.com/politics/la-na-sanders-prayer-circle-20160514-snap-story.html

(h/t Artemas)