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Random Politics & Religion #01
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Caitsith.Zahrah
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By Caitsith.Zahrah 2016-04-11 21:11:47
Asura.Floppyseconds said: »This isn't a common occurrence.
Of course it isn't, we've always had rules keeping men out of the women's room.
You act as if men uncontrollable are going to Borat over the woman's stall wall while they are in the bathroom.
That once they see some fat *** sit down they can't help themselves and just start sexually harassing and assaulting them.
As if this doesn't already happen regardless.
This wouldn't be an issue anymore than it exists now with single bathrooms for both genders.
Would have worded a little differently, but most of the arguments I've seen on here on this topic really seems like a backhand to their own gender without them realizing it.
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By Drama Torama 2016-04-11 21:22:42
Asura.Floppyseconds said: »Always prepare myself when I see green or red in a thread I have been in. That I am about to get scolded or kicked out.
Have you done something I'd need to kick you out for?
Would have worded a little differently, but most of the arguments I've seen on here on this topic really seems like a backhand to their own gender without them realizing it.
So, honest question for the proponents of the law: why the focus on trans in a bathroom? Because this seems like a really dumb hill to die on. From the thread, the incidents being brought up have nothing to do with trans people in the first place. Why fight this battle?
Caitsith.Zahrah
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By Caitsith.Zahrah 2016-04-11 21:31:09
So, honest question for the proponents of the law: why the focus on trans in a bathroom? Because this seems like a really dumb hill to die on. From the thread, the incidents being brought up have nothing to do with trans people in the first place. Why fight this battle?
Good point, especially since it's been the same discussion that always ends in the same stalemate. Not my hill to die on.
I know this was probably addressed to the general population of AH, but maybe the people who bring it up can explain why the repetition is needed. We're dying to know.
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Asura.Saevel
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By Asura.Saevel 2016-04-11 21:32:49
So, honest question for the proponents of the law: why the focus on trans in a bathroom? Because this seems like a really dumb hill to die on. From the thread, the incidents being brought up have nothing to do with trans people in the first place. Why fight this battle?
Because it piss's off team red and anything that piss's off team red must be good for team blue.
That's all there is to it. The current system in place works perfectly fine. Humans with male parts go to the male bathroom, humans with female parts go to the female bathroom. Works for over ~99.9999% of the population, there might be another 9 in there.
The only people the current system would possibly have a negative effect on would be transsexuals who don't want a sex change operation and are psychologically weak that they are traumatized by a picture of a guy / girl on the door they walk into.
There are so many other things that have a greater impact on our society to worry about, like fluffy or non-fluffy toilet paper and salt or no-salt crackers.
So yeah, it's literally just something the left use's to antagonize the right. And those on the right, like idiots, buy right into the troll attempt and take them seriously.
Garuda.Chanti
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By Garuda.Chanti 2016-04-11 21:36:32
Brazil has taken the first step!
Brazil congressional committee recommends impeaching Rousseff
Reuters
Quote: A committee of Brazil's lower house of Congress voted 38-27 on Monday to recommend the impeachment of President Dilma Rousseff, who faces charges of breaking budget laws to support her re-election in 2014.
A vote in the full lower house is expected to take place on Sunday. If two-thirds vote in favor, the impeachment will be sent to the Senate.
If the upper house decides by a simple majority to put Rousseff on trial, she will immediately be suspended for up to six months while the Senate decides her fate, and Vice President Michel Temer will take office as acting president.
It would be the first impeachment of a Brazilian president since 1992 when Fernando Collor de Mello faced massive protests for his ouster on corruption charges and resigned moments before his conviction by the Senate. There is more to the article.
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By Altimaomega 2016-04-11 21:37:16
Wow, went to town, ate dinner, ran some errands.. This is still going on..
why the repetition is needed. We're dying to know. You've never been bored before?
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By Shiva.Viciousss 2016-04-11 21:38:46
Once again Saevel misplays the victim card and ignores the fact that this topic originated from the right and was nonsense from the start...
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Cerberus.Pleebo
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By Cerberus.Pleebo 2016-04-11 21:42:06
The current system where we all use the facilities associated with our gender IS the current *** system. Trans people have been following normal etiquette before these stupid laws and they'll continue using their gender appropriate bathroom long after the courts start striking those laws down.
By Altimaomega 2016-04-11 21:45:57
Why are we having a 9 page debate about gender natural bathrooms then?
By Altimaomega 2016-04-11 21:48:16
neutral.. fml
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By Altimaomega 2016-04-11 21:52:18
Bismarck.Josiahfk said: »Why are we having a 9 page debate about gender natural bathrooms then? Because you were being deliberately obtuse about my points and I was too stubborn to just let it go.
Sigh. I guess I should have used sarcasm tags.
I'm not the one being obtuse here.
By Altimaomega 2016-04-11 21:57:26
Bismarck.Josiahfk said: »You're right. /brain implodes
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Siren.Mosin
By Siren.Mosin 2016-04-11 22:17:11
Ha! One down, 16 more posters to crack...
Ragnarok.Nausi
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By Ragnarok.Nausi 2016-04-11 22:30:25
1) Enable pervs to invade women's bathrooms by attacking people who want to keep men out.
2) ???
3) Act shocked when pervs invade women's bathrooms.
Yay liberalism!
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By Shiva.Viciousss 2016-04-11 22:32:57
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By Altimaomega 2016-04-11 22:34:41
Getting a bit blatant are we not?
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By Drama Torama 2016-04-11 22:35:02
1) Enable pervs to invade women's bathrooms by attacking people who want to keep men out.
What this says is that you don't think transgendered is a thing; like, it just doesn't exist. Is that your stance? I don't see any other way to read this.
3) Act shocked when pervs invade women's bathrooms.
You have yet to show a case where this has happened.
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Continually repeating your talking points in convenient South Park format is not an argument. I asked for your rationale, and as far as I can tell, it's "I think transgender is made up, and purely an excuse for toilet snooping". Which, if that's what you believe, then say so.
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By Drama Torama 2016-04-11 22:35:58
None of that. Attack the position, not the poster.
I'm going to move this to a new thread soon, and getting topicbanned at the last minute just means I'll carry it over.
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By Shiva.Viciousss 2016-04-11 22:40:58
None of that. Attack the position, not the poster.
We did that for 8 pages, we debunked him at every turn, we repeatedly asked him to point out the relationship between the Toronto incidents and the "bathroom rule," YOU asked him to do the same thing, and he has failed, repeatedly, he just keeps spamming the same nonsense over and over without actually making a point.
By Altimaomega 2016-04-11 22:43:46
he just keeps spamming the same nonsense over and over without actually making a point.
You do the same thing. Yet we cannot attack you.
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By Drama Torama 2016-04-11 22:45:35
We did that for 8 pages, we debunked him at every turn, we repeatedly asked him to point out the relationship between the Toronto incidents and the "bathroom rule," YOU asked him to do the same thing, and he has failed, repeatedly, he just keeps spamming the same nonsense over and over without actually making a point.
Yeah, but we have actual rules about going after people, and as of yet we don't have one for nonsense.
We've gotten to fifty pages without a real incident (other than a too-quick trigger finger on my part), so honestly? I'm pretty proud of this so far. Still gotta follow the rules, though. If someone cannot engage on the topic, then that's either block territory, or report territory. Either way, the personal infighting and directed attacks is exactly what I set out to stop.
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By Shiva.Viciousss 2016-04-11 22:46:31
he just keeps spamming the same nonsense over and over without actually making a point.
You do the same thing. Yet we cannot attack you.
No, I don't. Nice try tho, I know you will never stop making this assumption up about me, even though nobody cares and it only serves to make us all laugh.
By Altimaomega 2016-04-11 22:48:02
I don't make assumptions.
Ragnarok.Nausi
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By Ragnarok.Nausi 2016-04-11 22:48:17
1) Enable pervs to invade women's bathrooms by attacking people who want to keep men out.
What this says is that you don't think transgendered is a thing; like, it just doesn't exist. Is that your stance? I don't see any other way to read this.
3) Act shocked when pervs invade women's bathrooms.
You have yet to show a case where this has happened.
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Continually repeating your talking points in convenient South Park format is not an argument. I asked for your rationale, and as far as I can tell, it's "I think transgender is made up, and purely an excuse for toilet snooping". Which, if that's what you believe, then say so.
When did you do this?
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