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By Ramyrez 2016-04-08 12:18:32
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Josiahkf said: »
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...I just wrote a whole post, hit submit, and it went away.

Not *** cool.
I always control A control C before hitting submit after typing a big post.

you never know when you'll get *** over right?

Normally when it's going to do that to me it stalls out and I quick ctrl+A/C also. But it didn't stall that time. Just...submit and gone!
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By Jetackuu 2016-04-08 12:19:36
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Ramyrez said: »
Josiahkf said: »
Ramyrez said: »
...I just wrote a whole post, hit submit, and it went away.

Not *** cool.
I always control A control C before hitting submit after typing a big post.

you never know when you'll get *** over right?

Normally when it's going to do that to me it stalls out and I quick ctrl+A/C also. But it didn't stall that time. Just...submit and gone!
There was a program I was running for a bit that was for form recovery, it was a browser plugin. I'll see if I can find it.
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By Jetackuu 2016-04-08 12:19:54
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https://addons.mozilla.org/en-us/firefox/addon/lazarus-form-recovery/
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By Ramyrez 2016-04-08 12:21:15
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Not so helpful to me here b/c I'm at work but definitely will grab it for home for other applications.

Thanks.~
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By Jetackuu 2016-04-08 12:22:43
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You may be able to enable in like firefox portable.
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By Valefor.Sehachan 2016-04-08 12:34:11
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Altimaomega said: »
Does anyone else find it interesting that no matter what the subject the same people are always arguing against each other..?
You chose the one conversation where this theory doesn't apply lol.
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By Asura.Kingnobody 2016-04-08 12:53:15
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Ramyrez said: »
The vast majority of kids who receive corporal punishment/spanking/whatever you want to call it...get it far too much. Certainly disproportionate to what was called for based on their actions. And it negatively impacts them (literally and figuratively).
That's hard to quantify.

How do you define "too much" in this case?
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By Cerberus.Anjisnu 2016-04-08 12:59:32
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To put into perspective I was spanked maybe 5 times ever? But those 5 times made a hell of an impact lol I still struggle with certain sociopathic issues for example when my daughter was born I had to learn to love her which is a frightening thing
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By Garuda.Chanti 2016-04-08 13:11:12
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I hardly ever got spanked. My mom preferred sarcasm.

It doesn't work too well on a 5 year old. Even a bright one.
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By Cerberus.Anjisnu 2016-04-08 13:16:43
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if my mom hadn't smacked me what she would have conveyed to [bold]ME[/bold] would have been received as such "go do whatever the hell you want nobody will stop you and there will be no repercussions " that's how I would have perceived timeouts, groundings, etc.
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By Cerberus.Anjisnu 2016-04-08 13:18:08
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Failed to bold that but I think it made it draw attention even more lol
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By Altimaomega 2016-04-08 13:21:59
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Ramyrez said: »
My point was, TL;DR

The are a very small minority of kids who need a literal firm hand and a majority of that small number never actually get it and they grow up into psychos because they were never taught empathy the only way it can be taught to that select few (As Anji suggests).

The vast majority of kids who receive corporal punishment/spanking/whatever you want to call it...get it far too much. Certainly disproportionate to what was called for based on their actions. And it negatively impacts them (literally and figuratively).

Okay. Lets play the example game.

Your 3yr old child gets next to the wood stove, you tell him no and that it will hurt if he ever touches it and get him away.

He listens, this time and doesn't go by it for a week. (No reason exists for the child to be around it) You then are checking the fire and he wanders into the room and gets to close again. You again say no, explain to him the dangers and set him of the couch to think about it. The next day this it happens again.

What do you do? I know exactly what I did and he NEVER went by it again...............
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By Asura.Kingnobody 2016-04-08 13:22:08
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Josiahkf said: »
Asura.Kingnobody said: »
Ramyrez said: »
The vast majority of kids who receive corporal punishment/spanking/whatever you want to call it...get it far too much. Certainly disproportionate to what was called for based on their actions. And it negatively impacts them (literally and figuratively).
That's hard to quantify.

How do you define "too much" in this case?
why did you remove the italic emphasis ramy made on those three words?
I didn't, Rooks failed us yet again!

That's what happens when you don't keep formatting if you are highlight quoting somebody remove the edit button Rooks!

#OccupyP&Rthreads! We are the 99% who can't edit!
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By Altimaomega 2016-04-08 13:23:49
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This is the problem with people that do not have children. They can mean well but until they are actually in the position to teach a child that does not understand or refuses to listen, your opinions mean nothing.
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By Ramyrez 2016-04-08 13:27:48
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Asura.Kingnobody said: »
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The vast majority of kids who receive corporal punishment/spanking/whatever you want to call it...get it far too much. Certainly disproportionate to what was called for based on their actions. And it negatively impacts them (literally and figuratively).
That's hard to quantify.

How do you define "too much" in this case?

You're right. It is difficult to quantify.

But here's the thing. Once you've started using pain as a means of discipline, you've sort of hit a wall. Because where do you go from there?

Some parents -- many, even? It's hard to say -- are perfectly capable of delivering one or two spankings in a child's entire life for serious transgressions, and the point gets across. If the parent then sparingly threatens a spanking for specific egregious actions, and it prevents those actions, then while some may feel it's not appropriate, I don't think it's anyone else's place to judge.

But that doesn't go for everyone. For some people, it worked once, and they're going to make it work every time after that. Is it their own anger issues or violent outbursts they can't control? Are they just that bad at being parents (or decent human beings?)

What I do know is that when you're striking a child in the face for minor annoyances, you're a bad person. And maybe you're honestly not aware that happens a lot in this country.

But it does.

So that is what I mean when I say that far too often, kids who don't really deserve or require it get the rod far too often, and it certainly pales in comparison to the extreme few who need said rod and got spoiled instead.
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By Ramyrez 2016-04-08 13:30:40
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Altimaomega said: »
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My point was, TL;DR

The are a very small minority of kids who need a literal firm hand and a majority of that small number never actually get it and they grow up into psychos because they were never taught empathy the only way it can be taught to that select few (As Anji suggests).

The vast majority of kids who receive corporal punishment/spanking/whatever you want to call it...get it far too much. Certainly disproportionate to what was called for based on their actions. And it negatively impacts them (literally and figuratively).

Okay. Lets play the example game.

Your 3yr old child gets next to the wood stove, you tell him no and that it will hurt if he ever touches it and get him away.

He listens, this time and doesn't go by it for a week. (No reason exists for the child to be around it) You then are checking the fire and he wanders into the room and gets to close again. You again say no, explain to him the dangers and set him of the couch to think about it. The next day this it happens again.

What do you do? I know exactly what I did and he NEVER went by it again...............

We're a lot closer to agreeing than you realize. Hopefully my second post explained a bit better.

What I'm saying is that there are way too many parents in America for whom physical punishment is option A1.
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By Ramyrez 2016-04-08 13:32:40
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Also, through no fault of my parents or other adult supervision I burned my hand at a young age and learned that particular pain association lesson the burny way.

Didn't really sweat out the genetic affinity for playing with fire though.
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By Sylph.Jeanpaul 2016-04-08 13:33:19
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Altimaomega said: »
What do you do? I know exactly what I did and he NEVER went by it again...............
Did you just let him touch the stove? Cuz that's what I would have done.
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By Ramyrez 2016-04-08 13:36:16
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Sylph.Jeanpaul said: »
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What do you do? I know exactly what I did and he NEVER went by it again...............
Did you just let him touch the stove? Cuz that's what I would have done.

Now see, this is an interesting topic.

I think a literal light slap on the wrist -- an idiom we, in fact, use to describe the situation of a weak, borderline insufficient, punishment -- is valid in this circumstance and certainly trumps the "learn through pain via burned hand" method.

In fact, I can attest to it. See above anecdote.
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By Ramyrez 2016-04-08 13:42:22
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Does it feel like I'm playing both sides of this argument? It feels to me like I'm playing both sides of this argument.

I think it's because I'm aware of how much child abuse is out there. Which -- contrary to people thinking I'm just a misanthrope who wants the human race to go away -- is a large part of my position on having children, our population, etc.

And the abuse out there is absolutely stomach churning.

But the thing is, I also don't like the NEVER STRIKE A CHILD IN ANY WAY EVER camp. Sometimes a slap on the wrist is actually a better option for the child than the potential negative behavior.

And maybe that's the litmus test, then.

"Are you employing corporal punishment for their benefit or for your own convenience and comfort?"
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By Ragnarok.Raenil 2016-04-08 13:43:30
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In my case, my parents tried the slap on the wrist, but I didn't really learn until I tried to pull a burning stick out of a campfire.
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By Sylph.Jeanpaul 2016-04-08 13:44:34
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I mean, I'm not in Altima's house to see this stove, like is the kid at risk of getting a blister, or a 3rd degree burn? Is he gonna accidentally set his clothes on fire? His ability to feel temperature and pain will probably teach him to not get too close.
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By Jetackuu 2016-04-08 13:52:11
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Ramyrez said: »
But the thing is, I also don't like the NEVER STRIKE A CHILD IN ANY WAY EVER camp. Sometimes a slap on the wrist is actually a better option for the child than the potential negative behavior.
There's a difference between a preventative measure and a purely emotional reactive measure.
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By Valefor.Sehachan 2016-04-08 13:53:00
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It really matters how dangerous this stove is to decide what to do.
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until they are actually in the position to teach a child that does not understand or refuses to listen
Laughed heartily.
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By Ramyrez 2016-04-08 13:53:13
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Josiahkf said: »
A more fun question would be:
if altima pulled out his phone and recorded his kid learning this lesson, would you consider him a good parent or a bad parent.

I think this needs a first part.

"Is he a good person or a bad person for slapping the child's hand."

And then, "if bad, is he a good person or a bad person for video taping the result?"
 
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By Ramyrez 2016-04-08 13:54:12
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Jetackuu said: »
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But the thing is, I also don't like the NEVER STRIKE A CHILD IN ANY WAY EVER camp. Sometimes a slap on the wrist is actually a better option for the child than the potential negative behavior.
There's a difference between a preventative measure and a purely emotional reactive measure.

Kinda what I'm getting at.

I see a lot of the latter from emotionally stunted people.
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