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By Asura.Saevel 2016-04-06 21:59:31
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Bahamut.Ravael said: »
Hmm, four posts from Floppy in a single page that I gave a [+] to.

*Looks outside*

Huh, flying pigs. At least that explains it.

It's the white power at play. We all gotta stick together to oppress these non-white peoples...
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By Altimaomega 2016-04-06 22:12:06
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Was just surfing the facebook and thought of Raenil.. fml.

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By Cerberus.Pleebo 2016-04-06 22:20:30
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The Congressional White Caucus is just called Congress.
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By Sylph.Jeanpaul 2016-04-06 22:35:26
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The point Raenil was making about disparity was fairly accurate, even if he didn't articulate it as well as he could have. You guys can argue all day long over who's racist and who isn't, but I would consider someone ignorant if they don't think racial disparity is a real and serious issue.
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By Asura.Saevel 2016-04-06 22:37:19
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Josiahkf said: »
But because Racism is a systemic oppression of a minority by a majority, any other form of discrimination is moreso prejudice, not racism.

No.

Racism isn't systematic, it's simply actions taken due to a prejudiced belief. The "system" part was added by progressives as an excuse to blame anything they want for anything. Because the "system" part is amorphous and very generic / broad, it can never truly be "defeated" and thus is a reason to continue the war effort.
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By Altimaomega 2016-04-06 22:37:50
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Cerberus.Pleebo said: »
The Congressional White Caucus is just called Congress.

Oh you mean those people that get voted in as representatives.. My bad, I thought I was onto something.
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By Shiva.Viciousss 2016-04-06 22:40:11
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I wonder if he ever gets tired of his completely off-base rantings about "progressives."
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By Altimaomega 2016-04-06 22:43:25
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Part of the problem is groups of people lacking adequate representation in the government and we all have the same problem in other countries, not just the USA.

But because Racism is a systemic oppression of a minority by a majority, any other form of discrimination is moreso prejudice, not racism.

For example I could go work in an aboriginal reserve or something similar and since my skin is lighter color than a treaty native american there is a lot of hatred and prejudice towards people like me. My being metis doesn't mean much.

Now as an individual I can leave this reserve and move back to any of hundreds or thousands of cities across the planet where my skin color might be part of the majority of people there. Where I do not face that same prejudice.

But as for the treaty native americans on that reserve? They are stuck in a world where they will always be a minority and face racism no matter where they go. It's a helplessness you must face when someone is racist towards you in that situation. A helplessness that doesn't translate in the inverse direction. that's why white people don't experience, "racism" but, "prejudice."

Try walking around downtown Detroit as a white male.

(I dunno if Detroit even exists anymore actually it has been awhile since I have been there. Something about Democrats running it straight into the ground blah blah.)
 
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By Altimaomega 2016-04-06 22:45:05
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Shiva.Viciousss said: »
I wonder if he ever gets tired of his completely off-base rantings about "progressives."

You never get tired of saying nothing while still actually typing out words. It truly is an art and you are the master.
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By Bahamut.Ravael 2016-04-06 22:45:07
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Shiva.Viciousss said: »
I wonder if he ever gets tired of his completely off-base rantings about "progressives."

Here's an idea. How about not saying "nuh uh" for once and actually giving a thought-out response? If you don't like his definition of progressives, give one yourself.
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By Bahamut.Ravael 2016-04-06 22:52:39
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Asura.Floppyseconds said: »
Altimaomega said: »
Shiva.Viciousss said: »
I wonder if he ever gets tired of his completely off-base rantings about "progressives."

You never get tired of saying nothing while still actually typing out words. It truly is an art and you are the master.

Calling people on their *** is important,IMO.

That moment when you can't tell if Floppy is backing Altima or Vic (or both?).
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By Altimaomega 2016-04-06 22:52:45
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Josiahkf said: »
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Part of the problem is groups of people lacking adequate representation in the government and we all have the same problem in other countries, not just the USA.

But because Racism is a systemic oppression of a minority by a majority, any other form of discrimination is moreso prejudice, not racism.

For example I could go work in an aboriginal reserve or something similar and since my skin is lighter color than a treaty native american there is a lot of hatred and prejudice towards people like me. My being metis doesn't mean much.

Now as an individual I can leave this reserve and move back to any of hundreds or thousands of cities across the planet where my skin color might be part of the majority of people there. Where I do not face that same prejudice.

But as for the treaty native americans on that reserve? They are stuck in a world where they will always be a minority and face racism no matter where they go. It's a helplessness you must face when someone is racist towards you in that situation. A helplessness that doesn't translate in the inverse direction. that's why white people don't experience, "racism" but, "prejudice."

Try walking around downtown Detroit as a white male.

(I dunno if Detroit even exists anymore actually it has been awhile since I have been there. Something about Democrats running it straight into the ground blah blah.)
Even if you were 100% right (for argument's sake) I mentioned one town and you mentioned one city. How does that have any effect on my point at all? It doesn't change anything about a planet or a continent of being minority or majority.

You said white people don't experience this. I showed you they do. What was your point again?
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By Altimaomega 2016-04-06 22:54:27
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Bahamut.Ravael said: »
Asura.Floppyseconds said: »
Altimaomega said: »
Shiva.Viciousss said: »
I wonder if he ever gets tired of his completely off-base rantings about "progressives."

You never get tired of saying nothing while still actually typing out words. It truly is an art and you are the master.

Calling people on their *** is important,IMO.

That moment when you can't tell if Floppy is backing Altima or Vic (or both?).

I was thinking the same thing. I actually try and give my opinion though, most the time.. So.. I still am not sure! lol
 
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By Shiva.Viciousss 2016-04-06 23:02:53
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Bahamut.Ravael said: »
Shiva.Viciousss said: »
I wonder if he ever gets tired of his completely off-base rantings about "progressives."

Here's an idea. How about not saying "nuh uh" for once and actually giving a thought-out response? If you don't like his definition of progressives, give one yourself.

Why bother? I asked him the other night to name one of the "virtually all outgoing Presidents that are unpopular" and he completely failed on it, letting AO carry on the failure. All he wants to do is put "progressives" on a lower caste than himself, and he never passes up the opportunity to do so. Anyone on this site he disagrees with is a "progressive" in his eyes and he sees them as beneath him. If the moderation team tells him to stop he just labels them as "progressive mods." He is a child with a serious superiority complex. Always has been.
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By Asura.Saevel 2016-04-06 23:03:04
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But because Racism is a systemic oppression of a minority by a majority, any other form of discrimination is moreso prejudice, not racism.
No.

Racism isn't systematic, it's simply actions taken due to a prejudiced belief. The "system" part was added by progressives as an excuse to blame anything they want for anything. Because the "system" part is amorphous and very generic / broad, it can never truly be "defeated" and thus is a reason to continue the war effort.
I refuse to admit the bolded you've claimed because I think we can overcome racism and we are moving forward every year as a society.

But it being systemic means it's part of our culture and society and it's been ingrained in youth for many years. It's not something we can take for granted and even for argument's sake if I said you were correct and agreed with you about the italic, is that a negative thing in your eyes? Us being forever aware of racism and always fighting it and the ignorance that creates it?

You can believe whatever you want, it's your right as a sentient being. Doesn't stop it from being complete ***.

There is no "system", there is no "racist culture" or any other such crap. It's just stuff your fed to make you angry and easily controllable by those who wish to exploit you.

"Your life could be so great, if only those evil racist people weren't oppressing you"

"All those wrongs would of never been committed had those evil racist people not oppressed you"

"We can't trust those evil racist people, join me in our quest to take back the power"

Sound familiar? Those are very old methods used to incite a group of people to do great damage to another group. Feed them enough lies and one sided spins and they will believe anything. The Nazi regime used these same tactics to convince the German people that the evil European Jews were responsible for all the social and economic problems Germany was facing. This is how they got into power, promising the German people that they would fight the "Jewish oppression". Whenever someone brought up that there were "good Jews", Jewish people that ran shops, bakeries and were just as poor as the native Germans, the standard reply was that even if they were Jewish, the problem was "systemic". Basically they blamed Jewish culture and people as the fault.

It was a bunch of ***, but it was effective at galvanizing an entire populations anger and directing it at a common enemy for the agenda of the ruling political party.
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By Bahamut.Ravael 2016-04-06 23:11:00
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I've lived in 3 states, all red but with very different racial diversity, and perceivable racism has been such a rare occurrence that I don't even have a clue what people are referring to most of the time. I have definitely seen a difference in "privileges" as a result of wealth, but when I look through Facebook the people who have worked hard are doing well, and those that screwed around aren't, regardless of race or sexual orientation. I've seen much more racism against black people coming from Mexicans than I have from whites.

Racism exists, sure. It's out there, and probably more so in places that I've never been to. But I've got a sinking feeling that most of people talking about white-on-minority racism probably haven't experienced much of it, look the other way when the shoe's on the other foot, and blindly accept the media's magnifying glass view of the outliers as the status quo.
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By Altimaomega 2016-04-06 23:11:30
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Bismarck.Josiahfk said: »
you completely missed my point. Reread the post and examine what I'm bolding for you.

Nope I understand.

Do you understand that the USA is actually filled with cities like Detroit?

Bismarck.Josiahfk said: »
move back to any of hundreds or thousands of cities across the planet where my skin color might be part of the majority of people there. Where I do not face that same prejudice.

So could they, key word, planet. Do you understand now?
 
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By Asura.Saevel 2016-04-06 23:13:04
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Bahamut.Ravael said: »
Racism exists, sure. It's out there, and probably more so in places that I've never been to. But I've got a sinking feeling that most of people talking about white-on-minority racism probably haven't experienced much of it, look the other way when the shoe's on the other foot, and blindly accept the media's magnifying glass view of the outliers as the status quo.

Having lived abroad in countries where "white" is an extreme minority I've experienced actual racism. Not this *** "invisible yet omnipresent all-powerful systematic" racism, but actual to my face, accepted by government officials and media racism.
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By Ackeron 2016-04-06 23:17:14
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So yeah, just a heads up for those of you who think the report button is a way to get rid of people you don't like, I will be topic banning you till the next RP&R thread and removing your report functions if I get any more BS reports.

Tired of opening up the report section just to see reports against each other cause you have differing opinions. Part of debating isn't crying to mommy because you can't think up something to dispute the other person.

Keep calm and carry on.
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By Asura.Saevel 2016-04-06 23:17:23
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Josiahkf said: »
I don't agree. We're talking about people who have always been here versus people that have spread across the planet and taken it over.

You cannot tell people in their own native land to just leave if they don't like the racism of the worldwide invaders and solve the problem

And now we know the true source of the anger and hate.

Josiah is angry, hates white people and is actually prejudiced. That is then projected onto others as he assumes they must hate him/her as much as he hates them. That or he/she is white and it's a form of self loathing.
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