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By Siren.Mosin 2016-04-06 17:39:32
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Asura.Floppyseconds said: »
Last time I went to church to make someone happy they didn't talk to me for over a year.

One of my grandmas thought I was a good catholic boy all the way to the end. 900 miles and alzhiemer's can do wonders.
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By Lakshmi.Zerowone 2016-04-06 17:40:34
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Siren.Mosin said: »
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is it apathy, or is it really too late to combat and we prefer to ignore it?

A healthy mixture of both for me. The apathy is obvious, but the loss of the battle lies to me in the necessity of capital to fight a campaign against those whose capital flows as freely as the Chimay into the defeated's mouths. It's been over for a while. Citizens united was the final nail in the coffin.

Your analogy was cheap. Ftfy. Now it's classy.
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By Asura.Saevel 2016-04-06 19:05:02
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Bismarck.Josiahfk said: »
that's a very naive thing to say senor, if you genuinely believe in your capitalism world that anyone's religious beliefs are being put above their profits.
Actually, they are.

Remember the baker who refused to bake a wedding cake for a gay couple?

There are examples of religion trumping capitalism (granted, on an individual basis).

I would posit that this is, rather, exactly capitalism, and someone is hedging that enough people are on their side that they can use their religion to garner support, publicity, and -- in the end -- more money.

Whether it works or not is merely the natural extension of capitalist risk.
I don't know.

Capitalism requires companies/people to sell to other companies/people without prejudice. Meaning, I'll sell you land over the Atlantic Ocean if you are willing to pay for it, and it doesn't matter if I'm anti-gay and you are married to Pleebo.

Only time where capitalism requires you to not sell to another is if you know or you have a good cause to not sell based on the ability to receive funds. Again, using the example, I wouldn't sell you that land over the Atlantic Ocean if I knew or had reason to believe that you wouldn't pay me. Even though you may be willing to buy that land, your lack of funds prevent us from having a transaction.

That baker wasn't participating in capitalism when he choose not to sell to that gay couple. He participated in discrimination.

So why did it take the US until the 1960s to magically become free for people of all genders and races to participate in the market?
Are you confusing economic systems with social systems again?

To progressives they are the same thing. Ergo every wealthy white heterosexual male is an oppressor, and every poor black homosexual female is the oppressed. I wonder if our voices would carry more weight if we were poor black-hispanic transgender otherkin?
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By Shiva.Viciousss 2016-04-06 19:10:07
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Oh jeez, there Saevel goes again lying about "progressives."
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By Ragnarok.Nausi 2016-04-06 19:38:57
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Asura.Saevel said: »
To progressives they are the same thing. Ergo every wealthy white heterosexual male is an oppressor, and every poor black homosexual female is the oppressed. I wonder if our voices would carry more weight if we were poor black-hispanic transgender otherkin?

I want to put all the victim classes in a wrestle mania steel cage and let them all fight it out.
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By Ragnarok.Raenil 2016-04-06 19:51:32
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Asura.Saevel said: »
To progressives they are the same thing. Ergo every wealthy white heterosexual male is an oppressor, and every poor black homosexual female is the oppressed. I wonder if our voices would carry more weight if we were poor black-hispanic transgender otherkin?
Nah, Keanu Reeves is a pretty solid dude.

And your voice carries plenty of weight. After all, our law makers are and always have been nearly all white males.

12,177 people have served in congress since 1789. 313 Women since 1917, 146 Black since 1870, 107 Hispanic since 1822, 13 Arabic since 1973, and 37 Asian since 1899.

So please, go on about how you have no voice, despite the current congress being 80% white and 80% male.
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By Lakshmi.Zerowone 2016-04-06 19:51:48
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Asura.Floppyseconds said: »
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Oh jeez, there Saevel goes again lying about "progressives."

At least he didn't write a book about it as a response.

Then he would have had to go on the O'Reilly Factor as the oppressed conservative intellectual with a new book about evil progressives you should buy.

Maybe they can collab' and call it "Killing Progressives"
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By Asura.Saevel 2016-04-06 20:13:41
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Ragnarok.Raenil said: »
So please, go on about how you have no voice, despite the current congress being 80% white and 80% male.

Because not all whites are on a single team to beat everyone else. Those same 80% white males screw me over the same as they do everyone else.

This is the core issue of identity politics and victim special Olympics, its discriminatory to put everyone in large categories based on the color of their skin or their sexual orientation.

Just because someone has the same color skin as someone else, does not put them on the same team nor does it mean they will help each other out.
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By Asura.Saevel 2016-04-06 20:14:13
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Ragnarok.Nausi said: »
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To progressives they are the same thing. Ergo every wealthy white heterosexual male is an oppressor, and every poor black homosexual female is the oppressed. I wonder if our voices would carry more weight if we were poor black-hispanic transgender otherkin?

I want to put all the victim classes in a wrestle mania steel cage and let them all fight it out.

Just follow the reactions if you want to see who's really prejudice and who's not.
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By Altimaomega 2016-04-06 20:19:20
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So I had responded to this earlier but ran into a snag when I hit the submit button.. Now that that is taken care of.
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Your definition of fetus is terrible and deliberately vague, and your idea of a fertilized egg being a human being with rights is incorrect.
Yes, It is deliberately vague. What gives you or I the right to decide when a unborn child is a human. What gives anyone the right to kill a unborn child or treat it differently than a human?

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Like I said before here, countless fertilized eggs die each year by failing to attach to the uterus wall.
I didn't see you say this, even if you did it is meaningless since it is a completely natural event. You will have a hard time finding anyone to argue with over that.. The problem is when a doctor intercedes and actually kills the unborn child.

Now remember your solutions that you just presented give this unborn child rights because everyone is equal and we don't have to worry about religion or discrimination getting in the way anymore.

Josiahkf said: »
We cannot take away a born human being's rights on whims of people like you and deliberately vague definitions

Show me one post where I have ever advocated taking away anyone's rights. Don't waste your time, none exist.

I ask you what gives anyone the right to take away anyone's life?


Josiahkf said: »
At that point people like you are giving corpses more rights than living human women. (allowing them to dictate in life how their bodies in death can be used)
I guess I don't understand this. I think you mean "people like me want to give an unborn child rights, while taking them away from the mother" or you're going on about the natural process that rejects a fertilized embryo and think people like me somehow have control over that?

I'll go with what I think you said.. Since the other thing doesn't really make sense..

Does the mothers right to not give birth, trump a child's life?
Remember, Religion has nothing to do with this and you cannot discriminate against the unborn child.
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By Caitsith.Zahrah 2016-04-06 20:22:25
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Asura.Saevel said: »
Because not all whites are on a single team to beat everyone else.

I think this just eclipsed the "Slavery! Just Run!" moment.
 
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Wait, people of the same race and gender can have differing ideals? Mind blown.


Fact of the matter is, race and gender has a rather large influence on how you experience life. Someone from another demographic generally can't understand that and can't really be trusted to vote on matters concerning your demographic in a manner benefiting you.

Such as men writing laws concerning women reproductive rights, despite having no *** clue what they're doing.
 
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By Ragnarok.Raenil 2016-04-06 20:29:43
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Asura.Saevel said: »
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So please, go on about how you have no voice, despite the current congress being 80% white and 80% male.

Because not all whites are on a single team to beat everyone else.
Nope, not all of them. But enough of them are that it's sort of a problem.
 
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By Ragnarok.Raenil 2016-04-06 20:35:08
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Except the others lack the potential numbers.

Even if only half of the white demographics are 100% for/against something, that's still 40% of congress.
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By Asura.Saevel 2016-04-06 20:36:13
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Ragnarok.Raenil said: »
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So please, go on about how you have no voice, despite the current congress being 80% white and 80% male.

Because not all whites are on a single team to beat everyone else.
Nope, not all of them. But enough of them are that it's sort of a problem.

Hot damn, so all this time I've had a secret team of bond villains I could of called on to help me out? *** why didn't anyone tell me that before, I really gotta check my Evil-White-European-Male mailbox more often, obviously I didn't get the memo or the membership card.
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Psst, btw

That concept is one of the most laughably absurd thing ever said. No wonder the left is so radicalized.
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By Altimaomega 2016-04-06 20:37:14
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Asura.Floppyseconds said: »
Altimaomega said: »
So I had responded to this earlier but ran into a snag when I hit the submit button.. Now that that is taken care of.
Josiahkf said: »
Your definition of fetus is terrible and deliberately vague, and your idea of a fertilized egg being a human being with rights is incorrect.
Yes, It is deliberately vague. What gives you or I the right to decide when a unborn child is a human. What gives anyone the right to kill a unborn child or treat it differently than a human?

Umm, science, reason, logic, and common sense mixed into a concoction called reasonable judgement. You know, the stuff they decide in court and things. Sorta like Roe vs Wade, but yet you seem to prefer neither and rather do the backstroke.

I mean you could just reverse the question and ask what gives you the right to be deliberately vague in the inverse.

Thi~nk about it AO. Come on man we know you can.

I am being deliberately vague since I don't want to get into an abortion argument and this discussion we are having isn't really about abortion to begin with. It is a good base example to use against her solutions since it reflects how hypocritical her/his thinking is.

I like how you compare science, reason, logic, and common sense mixed into a concoction called reasonable judgement to our court system. Because that is how our courts work. /heavysarcasmincaseyoucannottell.
 
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Asura.Floppyseconds said: »
Ragnarok.Raenil said: »
Wait, people of the same race and gender can have differing ideals? Mind blown.


Fact of the matter is, race and gender has a rather large influence on how you experience life. Someone from another demographic generally can't understand that and can't really be trusted to vote on matters concerning your demographic in a manner benefiting you.

Such as men writing laws concerning women reproductive rights, despite having no *** clue what they're doing.

I don't disagree with the notion that men shouldn't decide women's rights, but at the same time I find that to be a *** argument to use. You don't need a pussy to legislate one.

Umm. Stop the presses and hold the phones... Floppy and I agree on something!
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