Random Politics & Religion #01

That is why we have three branches of government. The problem is when the government defies the will of the people that elect them. case in point. Obamacare.

I would posit that this is, rather, exactly capitalism, and someone is hedging that enough people are on their side that they can use their religion to garner support, publicity, and -- in the end -- more money.

Whether it works or not is merely the natural extension of capitalist risk.

The fact that it's allowed in science class at your children school make it a terrible school, and a medieval level of state policy.

I guess you don't know how to put that word in proper context.

It is my belief that in our free country people should be able to reject services to whoever they want.

The beauty of capitalism is for everyone that refuses service, three others will step up.

/laugh

I don't know.

Capitalism requires companies/people to sell to other companies/people without prejudice. Meaning, I'll sell you land over the Atlantic Ocean if you are willing to pay for it, and it doesn't matter if I'm anti-gay and you are married to Pleebo.

Only time where capitalism requires you to not sell to another is if you know or you have a good cause to not sell based on the ability to receive funds. Again, using the example, I wouldn't sell you that land over the Atlantic Ocean if I knew or had reason to believe that you wouldn't pay me. Even though you may be willing to buy that land, your lack of funds prevent us from having a transaction.

That baker wasn't participating in capitalism when he choose not to sell to that gay couple. He participated in discrimination.

It is rated Grade A by the State. W/E.

So why did it take the US until the 1960s to magically become free for people of all genders and races to participate in the market?

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Kojo Edit: This user was banned for this post.

And your solution is?

Honestly, I'd prefer to see this because it'd mean I could actively choose not to support these people. I wouldn't even pitch a fit since anyone crazy enough to deny money based on sexual orientation or race is so throughly off the map that they deserve to be driven into the ground.

You're in a predominantly Catholic nation. The Episcopal, Presbyterian, and ELCA Lutheran churches accept gay marriage and ordain LGBT clergy. Methodists are on a state-by-state basis last time I checked.

No, the problem is when the Government defies the rights of the people, the will is irrelevant.

Woah! Someone actually got bounced from here?

KN ate a buffed Ban Sickle :/

Are you confusing economic systems with social systems again?

April Foo......crap, that was last Friday.

Economic systems don't operate in vacuums.

Every day can be April Fool's if you believe in your heart

But economic systems have little to no effect on social systems.

Except when confused people want to blame something and turn to a system that, when removed, creates a worse economic situation than before.

#OccupyWallStreet

Except you know, capitalist framework being built upon hierarchies which are by definition divisive, creating social stratification and the codification of these strata. The same could be said about feudalism, totalitarian governments or a theocracy. Economic systems and dispersal of capital impacts every aspect of social life.

This country has never had pure anything and attempting to separate the social effects of economic policy is operating in a bubble.

To an extent I agree with you... There comes a point when you get to everyday necessities though that you shouldn't be allowed to discriminate... power water food? There aren't always viable alternatives in the area that are feasible...

Also, dependent on where you are there aren't always three others that are stepping up to fill in a Service that was denied to someone else...

And finally if someone is going to deny service to anyone for any reason they should also be willing to face the backlash that comes along with it... Just like they can deny service other can refuse to use that service... Death threats and all that nonsense are definitely unacceptable but refusing to use that service and spreading the knowledge that this place refuses service because of x y or z is expected for sure...

You are giving social systems more overreach than it deserves.

Did businesses automatically thrive, all of the sudden when discrimination was considered illegal? Or did the discriminated, who remember which businesses did or did not allow them to conduct business with them, kept with the same businesses they frequented while discriminated?

What you are implying would take place over centuries. We have not had the luxury of that, yet.

Hell, people here still think they are discriminated against! Even though they generally cannot prove it, other than "I don't like him, so he must be discriminating against me!"