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By Cerberus.Pleebo 2016-03-29 16:03:08
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Do you not the potential for future problems with this trend in segregation regardless if it's done actively or passively?
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By Lakshmi.Sparthosx 2016-03-29 16:03:51
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It has nothing to do with a persecution complex and everything to do with people not exposed to other people tend to draw some very ugly conclusions about said populace.

I.E all the hardcores right now backing Trump and Muslim bans when they've probably never actually met any Muslims.
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By Asura.Kingnobody 2016-03-29 16:06:51
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Lakshmi.Sparthosx said: »
It has nothing to do with a persecution complex and everything to do with people not exposed to other people tend to draw some very ugly conclusions about said populace.

I.E all the hardcores right now backing Trump and Muslim bans when they've probably never actually met any Muslims.
And are you saying that private schooling is a direct result of said conclusions drawn?

Because I'm pretty sure, the inverse is correct. Most of the hate towards Muslims are directed because of limited information given to people who wishes to not educate themselves in said matters. You know, people who lack critical thinking that is a core aspect of what private schools are all about.

You seriously do not know anything about the education levels of private schools.
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By Asura.Kingnobody 2016-03-29 16:08:46
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Cerberus.Pleebo said: »
Do you not the potential for future problems with this trend in segregation regardless if it's done actively or passively?
I'm taking a crack at this.

"Do you not think (private school "segregation" has) the potential for future problems with this trend in segregation, regardless if it's done actively or passively?"

No, because we are not taught to hate people based by the color of their skin. That is done at the home, not at the school.
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By Lakshmi.Sparthosx 2016-03-29 16:09:24
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“The fact is that, over the years, African American families and non-white families have come to understand that these private schools are not schools that are open to them, especially in light of their traditional role and history related to desegregation of public schools,” he said.

The report recalls how private-school enrollment grew a half-century ago as courts were ordering public schools to integrate. The pattern was particularly pronounced in the South, where massive resistance to integration led to rapid private-school enrollment growth. Even as private-school enrollment has fallen across much of the country in recent decades, it has continued to grow in the South.
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By Altimaomega 2016-03-29 16:09:29
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Well we made it passed the 1st page without any wild assumptions.
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By fonewear 2016-03-29 16:11:48
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Home schooling this comes to mind:

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By fonewear 2016-03-29 16:13:04
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And this :

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By fonewear 2016-03-29 16:14:51
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Lakshmi.Sparthosx said: »
It has nothing to do with a persecution complex and everything to do with people not exposed to other people tend to draw some very ugly conclusions about said populace.

I.E all the hardcores right now backing Trump and Muslim bans when they've probably never actually met any Muslims.

That's not true I met a Muslim once at an amusement park and we steered clear of him !
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By Siren.Mosin 2016-03-29 16:15:41
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Asura.Kingnobody said: »
Lakshmi.Sparthosx said: »
It has nothing to do with a persecution complex and everything to do with people not exposed to other people tend to draw some very ugly conclusions about said populace.

I.E all the hardcores right now backing Trump and Muslim bans when they've probably never actually met any Muslims.
And are you saying that private schooling is a direct result of said conclusions drawn?

Because I'm pretty sure, the inverse is correct. Most of the hate towards Muslims are directed because of limited information given to people who wishes to not educate themselves in said matters. You know, people who lack critical thinking that is a core aspect of what private schools are all about.

You seriously do not know anything about the education levels of private schools.


If this post is an example thereof, I'd say pretty shitty, based on your grammar alone.
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By Caitsith.Zahrah 2016-03-29 16:17:35
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Lakshmi.Sparthosx said: »
Asura.Kingnobody said: »
Caitsith.Zahrah said: »
I thought this little diddy goes without saying...
Isn't that obvious? I mean, if you have a group of people who are predominately white, wouldn't it make sense that those people who sends their children to private school be...you know...predominately white?

Next thing from Washington Post: Water is wet! The discrimination of being dry when water is involved. NAADP protested in front of a water plant this afternoon in response to the wetness of water.

You realize it becomes a problem when these schools become a 'safe haven' (from the eyes of parents) from the 'undesirables'? Children will grow up dangerously naive to other groups of people, resorting to stereotypes and caricatures to fill in their gaps in knowledge.

Further, being in private school usually means being up the socioeconomic ladder which then spreads the poison of being ignorant into the societal sphere when you grow up to be someone important with the idea that 'X group is Y because Z stereotype'.

I think there's also the question as to how resources from parents within a higher income threshold would benefit and raise public school standards were they to keep their children within the public school system instead of throwing up their hands in defeat and jumping ship.
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By fonewear 2016-03-29 16:20:15
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Why does everything come back to cultural diversity aren't we diverse enough !
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By Cerberus.Pleebo 2016-03-29 16:25:19
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Asura.Kingnobody said: »
No, because we are not taught to hate people based by the color of their skin. That is done at the home, not at the school
While I appreciate the Ron Popeil "set it and forget it" approach to racial disparity, perhaps consider something less immediate than blatant racism. Like having a perpetuating gap between educational curriculum available to minority and/ disadvantaged students.
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By Lakshmi.Sparthosx 2016-03-29 16:28:44
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Caitsith.Zahrah said: »
Lakshmi.Sparthosx said: »
Asura.Kingnobody said: »
Caitsith.Zahrah said: »
I thought this little diddy goes without saying...
Isn't that obvious? I mean, if you have a group of people who are predominately white, wouldn't it make sense that those people who sends their children to private school be...you know...predominately white?

Next thing from Washington Post: Water is wet! The discrimination of being dry when water is involved. NAADP protested in front of a water plant this afternoon in response to the wetness of water.

You realize it becomes a problem when these schools become a 'safe haven' (from the eyes of parents) from the 'undesirables'? Children will grow up dangerously naive to other groups of people, resorting to stereotypes and caricatures to fill in their gaps in knowledge.

Further, being in private school usually means being up the socioeconomic ladder which then spreads the poison of being ignorant into the societal sphere when you grow up to be someone important with the idea that 'X group is Y because Z stereotype'.

I think there's also the question as to how resources from parents within a higher income threshold would benefit and raise public school standards were they to keep their children within the public school system instead of throwing up their hands in defeat and jumping ship.

It's not like I don't understand why parents want their children in the best institutions of learning. Depending on where you are, public schools aren't exactly shining beacons of quality education but it's simply a byproduct of money-driven mindsets and resources for schools being tied to property taxes.

'Pay more = get better' mindsetting pushes alot of upper echelon kids into schools surrounded by a monoculture. Completely eject the race issue out of the conversation and a child in a classroom surrounded by a mostly mono-population is going to assume that is status quo.

You only need prowl around a college to find a doe-eyed individual who can probably say with a straight face that this is the first time they've been in a classroom with something approaching some diversity and that's with college slant in play.
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By Valefor.Sehachan 2016-03-29 16:34:39
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On public vs private schooling. Tbh I only see the blame on who administers the education system for not providing a high enough standard with public schools. Public is better cause it provides a more socioculturally diverse environment to engage with, however if the education standard is much lower than private that is a point that flies out of the window. You can't blame a parent for putting educational level above diversity when chosing the learning environment for their kids. The issue is that public has, at least on average, pretty bad teaching standards, and that is not a good offer.
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By Lakshmi.Zerowone 2016-03-29 16:36:27
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Asura.Kingnobody said: »
No, because we are not taught to hate people based by the color of their skin. That is done at the home, not at the school.

...in the homes of people who choose to segregate their children via private/charter schools who cater to their disposition via selective enrollment policies.


Not all of the schools do this but to pretend it doesn't exist is what makes this so fun.
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By Phoenix.Sehachan 2016-03-29 16:37:14
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Caitsith.Zahrah said: »
I think there's also the question as to how resources from parents within a higher income threshold would benefit and raise public school standards were they to keep their children within the public school system instead of throwing up their hands in defeat and jumping ship.
Do you mean like private investments for public institutions?
 
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By Caitsith.Zahrah 2016-03-29 16:42:46
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Lakshmi.Sparthosx said: »
Caitsith.Zahrah said: »
Lakshmi.Sparthosx said: »
Asura.Kingnobody said: »
Caitsith.Zahrah said: »
I thought this little diddy goes without saying...
Isn't that obvious? I mean, if you have a group of people who are predominately white, wouldn't it make sense that those people who sends their children to private school be...you know...predominately white?

Next thing from Washington Post: Water is wet! The discrimination of being dry when water is involved. NAADP protested in front of a water plant this afternoon in response to the wetness of water.

You realize it becomes a problem when these schools become a 'safe haven' (from the eyes of parents) from the 'undesirables'? Children will grow up dangerously naive to other groups of people, resorting to stereotypes and caricatures to fill in their gaps in knowledge.

Further, being in private school usually means being up the socioeconomic ladder which then spreads the poison of being ignorant into the societal sphere when you grow up to be someone important with the idea that 'X group is Y because Z stereotype'.

I think there's also the question as to how resources from parents within a higher income threshold would benefit and raise public school standards were they to keep their children within the public school system instead of throwing up their hands in defeat and jumping ship.

It's not like I don't understand why parents want their children in the best institutions of learning. Depending on where you are, public schools aren't exactly shining beacons of quality education but it's simply a byproduct of money-driven mindsets and resources for schools being tied to property taxes.

'Pay more = get better' mindsetting pushes alot of upper echelon kids into schools surrounded by a monoculture. Completely eject the race issue out of the conversation and a child in a classroom surrounded by a mostly mono-population is going to assume that is status quo.

You only need prowl around a college to find a doe-eyed individual who can probably say with a straight face that this is the first time they've been in a classroom with something approaching some diversity and that's with college slant in play.

I absolutely agree with you.

While reading through the link to the Southern Education Foundation, the thought of drudging through to find stats on how public school performance has changed in the past half-century to see if there's any correlation would be interesting.

Either way, there's only so many hours in a day. Got to go.
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By Phoenix.Amandarius 2016-03-29 17:33:17
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Cerberus.Pleebo said: »
Asura.Kingnobody said: »
No, because we are not taught to hate people based by the color of their skin. That is done at the home, not at the school
While I appreciate the Ron Popeil "set it and forget it" approach to racial disparity, perhaps consider something less immediate than blatant racism. Like having a perpetuating gap between educational curriculum available to minority and/ disadvantaged students.


They why oh why do you support Democrats whose unholy marriage with the public school teachers union has an iron death grip on the education system so horribly failing children in disproportionately minority urban areas?
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By Lakshmi.Zerowone 2016-03-29 17:50:37
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There have been a few threads in which the subject of homeschooling versus public schooling were grazed, and the potential for lack of socialization and immersion were raised.

I need to learn more about this, curious how strong an effect it has and if homeschooling is to be completely avoided or what.

Friends of mine homeschool because he is a soccer coach and it's the only way he gets to spend time with the kids for example, better than just never seeing them except on weekends hmmm.

Wonder if he has to go through all the hoops a state certified instructor does.

Something else to consider for anyone contemplating a charter school; Administrators and teachers don't have to be state certified. Don't know if it's the same for private schools. Keep in mind many require the certification for employment. Just that it's not a non negotiable like it is in the public sector.
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By Bahamut.Ravael 2016-03-29 18:15:11
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Siren.Mosin said: »
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Lakshmi.Sparthosx said: »
It has nothing to do with a persecution complex and everything to do with people not exposed to other people tend to draw some very ugly conclusions about said populace.

I.E all the hardcores right now backing Trump and Muslim bans when they've probably never actually met any Muslims.
And are you saying that private schooling is a direct result of said conclusions drawn?

Because I'm pretty sure, the inverse is correct. Most of the hate towards Muslims are directed because of limited information given to people who wishes to not educate themselves in said matters. You know, people who lack critical thinking that is a core aspect of what private schools are all about.

You seriously do not know anything about the education levels of private schools.


If this post is an example thereof, I'd say pretty shitty, based on your grammar alone.

Your sentence isn't much better. I'm going to chalk a lot of this up to the lack of an Edit function, though. I get the feeling that we're all going to sound more stupid as a result.
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By Phoenix.Amandarius 2016-03-29 18:23:34
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more stupider

ftfy
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By Asura.Kingnobody 2016-03-29 21:14:04
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I will just ignore personal insult anyway.
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By Garuda.Chanti 2016-03-29 21:19:46
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By Asura.Kingnobody 2016-03-29 21:20:20
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By Bahamut.Baconwrap 2016-03-29 21:42:14
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Looks like AIDS Health Foundatiom is supporting Clinton. This is currently posted at the intersection of Santa Monica and Vine in Hollywood.

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By Altimaomega 2016-03-29 22:41:28
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Classy.
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By Asura.Saevel 2016-03-29 22:42:22
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That escalated quickly.


Eventually progressives might realize that wealth is generational. A single person can get rich from happenstance, but actual wealth takes generations to accumulate and is done in a progressive manner. It's also centered on family not society as a whole. Each wealthy family started with a set of parents who worked their *** off so that their kids had it marginally better then they did. Those kids then worked their *** off so that their kids had it better. Eventually you get to the point where a set of children is equipped with the right skills and motivations that they are able to take the leap and start generating wealth for the family. Sometimes it takes a single generation, often several, but it's not this impossible cliff to climb.

Progressives tend to view wealth as binary and wealth accumulation is arbitrary. Someone either is wealthy and the oppressor or they are not wealthy and the oppressed. Wealth is randomly accumulated from parents who acquired it from oppressing their neighbors. Since wealth is arbitrary, none of these people "earned" the right to it and because it's only generated from oppression it should be redistributed to the oppressed.

This view is extremely naive but makes for an easy jump to theft in the name of "social justice". Just because it's not likely for someone to go from "poor" to "super rich" in one generation, they desire to take all the wealth and ensure nobody can possess it. Well nobody except their own ministers, managers and political appointees, those are "important people" and "need" that wealth to serve "the people".

On the private school topic, successful people desire their children to be successful. Good parents will do everything in their power to set their children up for success. Education is one pathway to success if properly applied (liberal arts degree's are useless). Thus its reasonable that a successful person would chose to use their success to enhance their children's success. A poor person can not do this, nor should they. They haven't yet generated enough wealth and jumping to the top is an exercise it futility. They need to have a set of parents who actually cares enough about their child to make personal, often unpleasant, sacrifices for them. They need the children to actually care and value those sacrifices and dedicate themselves to making a better life for themselves. They then need those same children to have their own children and to pass down their values and create a culture of prosperity.

That culture of prosperity and dedication to family success is exactly how the poor Asian immigrants became the model minority and are some of the most successful people. It's how the poor European immigrants, you know those evil white overlords of the universe, became successful and wealth. Telling people they can't succeed without your help, and then keeping them reliant on your support for basic living is exactly how you set a population up for failure.
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By Altimaomega 2016-03-29 22:47:14
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You didn't build that!
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