Random Politics & Religion #01

Did I ever say otherwise? Way to miss the point.

The questions was basically, "How did the poor European Immigrants gain their wealth?" European Immigrants implies we're talking about what eventually became and currently is the United States of America.

Just because other societies have done the same, doesn't mean it wasn't a factor. A huge one, at that.

It's almost like we're having a conversation here about American issues and not some broad global discussion. Maybe.

It's almost as derpy as the "Africans sold slaves!" dismissal argument like somehow some black guys met some white guys at a dock and foisted some people on them. "No no, we insist!" "Well....if we have no choice.... FINE"

Again, not the point. The point was land that eventually become extremely expensive was sold at relatively low costs to people who already had plenty of money/land. Which made them even more money.

But go ahead and pointlessly push your partisan agenda in an unrelated discussion.

You must be new here. No discussion is unrelated in these here forums.


A finite resource that raises in price as it gains in demand.
Who knew!

Funny, w/e I do that it always goes into global discussion. Sucks doesn't it.

No ***? Who'd have thought!

The point of that, since you never seem to be capable of understanding the point of anything, is that the eventual wealth gained from that was through exploitation and not hard work.

Which, according to Savael, is how a large majority of wealthy people gained said wealth.

Completely baseless other than random.
Don't believe him.

No you're the one missing the point here buddy.
Nobody has ever gained wealth without using others to do it.
No matter what system is in place someone is always at the top telling others what to do and distributing the rewards of the work.

You think it is easy being that guy at the top? Especially back in the day.

Not the discussion.

The discussion is about people who had the advantage of perpetual underclasses to EXPLOIT legally and how that has consequences in the present.

I didn't say it was easy. But I hardly think it's so demanding that you need to make nearly as much or more than all of your employees combined. Along with world class health care while only being willing to provide the absolute minimum to your employees that you can possibly get away with.

I like how your implying just because something is the norm, means it's fine and doesn't need to be fixed.

No he is trying to use.

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With this.


Generations removed from poor European Immigrants.


Because you make zero sense!

Don't work for them or buy their products.


The Government "fixed" this 5-6yrs ago? Oh wait.. No.. They made it insanely worse...

Never have I ever said or implied this. Lots of ***needs fixing and reducing the size of our overly massive POS Government would do A lot towards that.

Ah, right. I forget that money totally doesn't pass from generation to generation when you have excessive amounts of it.

I know that I, personalty, will request to be buried with all my worldly treasures when I die.

That's the egyptian way!! *starts amassing lego blocks for a pyramid*

Why is this a bad thing? This is part of the American Dream! Being able to leave your descendants better off than you ever was!

I'll be putting all my grain in my pyramid.

The problem is the government wants to take that money that YOU have amassed and use it for who knows what while leaving your descendants reliant on them instead of in control of their lives!

YOU and YOUR family*

And what about the people who were denied the American Dream because they were born slightly off-white?

I mean you only need look at Hispanic communities where being born lighter means you're more valuable than the browner folk in the SAME culture. Why do you think this is?

Easier to spot in the dark.

We still pretending that Obama has increased the size of the government more than Bush? Ok, let's conmtinue with the lulz.

*Smile so I can see you ^.O*

I come from the line who you broadly call "riding off the backs of their ancestors...".

But you know what? I create additional wealth from that money. Those who squander their money (Waltons, for example) generally don't stay that way for long. 1, maybe 2 generations of squandering and their family line is no longer rich.

It happens to everyone. If you have a talent and sell that talent better than anyone, you get into a situation where you are better off than your parents.

You then have 2 options:

1) Teach your children your talent and/or have them develop their own talent and show them how to sell it better than anyone, so they can become better than you. Parents would always love to have their children have a better life than their own.

2) Don't do anything, let your children squander your wealth, and hope and pray that your grandchildren have some of your hard-earned money to squander for themselves. Because why should you tell your children what to do? What are you, a helicopter parent? For shame!

But rich families don't stay rich for long if they wastefully spend their money and don't do a damn to earn it, either by hard work or smart investment (more than likely both). So, your anger is really invalid.

Why are you dwelling in the past? Are we doing this today?

Answer: No.

We already paid reparations to the Native Americans many times over. Hell, the US government is still paying reparations today.

As for slavery, are you going to go after families of old slavers who may or may not be in a position to pay? Remember what I said about squandering wealth. After the Civil War, many slave owners lost their land, and those families aren't as wealthy (if they are) as they once were.

You may be able to go after a few slaver families, but what are you going to say? Pay me money because 10 generations ago your great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-grandfather kept my great(x8) grandfather as a slave? You would be laughed right off their property.

Don't focus so much on an irrelevant past (as it applies today). Learn from it, know that it will never happen again, and Moveon.org™

Bull *** ***.

Anyone who says that doesn't know anything about how to create wealth.

Wealth is created by selling something somebody wants to buy. How you come across that "something" depends on your talent.

If your talent is to sell your knowledge on tax law, that is not exploiting.
If your talent is to sell land, that is not exploiting.
If your talent is to sell technology, that is not exploiting.

There are a few ways to exploit wealth, but the US government is generally the only one to do that. Are you going to go after the US government? Didn't think so.

Did you set out to completely miss the point of that conversation on purpose or did it just happen naturally?

Considering that conversations only point was misinformation coming from Raenil?

http://www.themonitor.com/news/local/bp-council-says-catch-and-release-policy-continues-fueling-illegal/article_b48caa0c-f92c-11e5-914a-671ec164babb.html

I mean, if you want to ignore me specifically pointing out the American Government throwing a *** ton of Japanese-Americans into internment camps, repossessing all of their property, liquidating the physical assets, and then selling off what eventually became some of the most expensive property in the entire country for relatively cheap prices...

Then yeah, I'm compleeeeeeeeeeeeeeeetely ignoring the governments wrongdoings.

Oh, and implying we've paid proper reparations for nearly wiping them off the face of the planet if hi-***-larious. "Here, have a miniscule amount of land we stole from you while ruthlessly slaughtering your entire race! Oh, and some money, that at one point meant nothing to you or your peoples way of life so you can sorta function under our rule!"

The past isn't irrelevant, it's literally what shaped out government and culture and way of life into what it is today. And sweeping the bad ***under the rug doesn't help or fix anything. Which people are still trying to do with current issues. So yes, it is still happening, to a less horrifying (no genocide so far) degree.