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By Garuda.Chanti 2016-02-03 09:31:12
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Because its relevant:

A Record Number Of People Were Exonerated In 2015 For Crimes They Didn’t Commit
"Making A Murderer" isn't just a problem in Manitowoc, Wisconsin.

HuffPo. So King can deny its real.

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Researchers found that 149 people were cleared in 2015 for crimes they didn't commit -- more than any other year in history, according to a report published Wednesday by the National Registry of Exonerations, a project of the University of Michigan Law School. By comparison, 139 people were exonerated in 2014. The number has risen most years since 2005, when 61 people were cleared of crimes they didn't commit....

Here are some patterns the organization found in 2015 exonerations:
Official Misconduct

About 40 percent of the 2015 exonerations involved official misconduct, a record. About 75 percent of the homicide exonerations involved misconduct.

The wrongful conviction of Debra Milke, detailed in the report, was among them. Authorities accused Milke of conspiring with two men who shot her son in the back of the head to keep him from her ex-husband and to cash in on an insurance policy. Milke’s conviction was built largely on the testimony of now-retired Phoenix police Detective Armando Saldate Jr., who said Milke offered him sex during questioning and confessed to the murder. The interrogation wasn't recorded, and Milke’s defense argued Saldate had a long history of misconduct that the state had concealed. In multiple other cases, the defense lawyers said, judges had tossed out confessions or indictments because Saldate had lied or violated defendants' rights....

False Confessions

Almost 20 percent of exonerations in 2015 were for convictions based on false confessions -- a record. Those cases overwhelmingly were homicides involving defendants who were under 18, intellectually disabled, or both.

Bobby Johnson, of New Haven, Connecticut, was 16 years old with an IQ of 69 -- just below the threshold for intellectual disability -- without a parent or guardian present when he confessed to two detectives that he murdered 70-year-old Herbert Fields....

Guilty Pleas

An innocent person pleading guilty to a crime they didn’t commit may seem unfathomable. But the National Registry of Exonerations said the number of false guilty pleas has been increasing for seven years, and has risen sharply in the past two years.

More than 40 percent of people exonerated in 2015 were convicted based on guilty pleas made by an innocent defendant, a record. The majority of these cases involved drugs. Some were homicide cases....

Plea bargains can be an efficient way to resolve cases without draining taxpayer resources. They aren’t always bad. But a 2013 Human Rights Watch study found the U.S. system often creates situations where a federal prosecutor will "strong-arm" a defendant into a plea deal. And the deep fear of a harsh sentence -- one “so excessively severe, they take your breath away,” in the words of Judge John Gleeson of the Eastern District of New York -- can lead a defendant to plead guilty in order to obtain a shorter prison term, even if they're accused wrongfully....

No Crime Was Actually Committed

In about half of the exonerations in 2015, no crime was actually ever committed by the people put behind bars -- a record, according to the report. Most of these cases involved drugs. Some included homicide or arson....

Flawed Forensic Evidence

Many of last year's exonerations involved flawed or invalid forensic evidence. According to the Innocence Project, improper forensic science is a leading cause of wrongful conviction.

Too often, the group says, forensic experts speculate when they testify, asserting conclusions that stretch the science. Further, some forensic techniques aren't backed by research, but are nevertheless presented to juries as fact. And there are honest mistakes. The FBI has admitted that from 1972 to 1999, almost every examiner in the bureau's elite forensics unit gave flawed testimony in nearly every trial in which they presented evidence....

Faulty Eyewitness Identification

False identifications of innocent people happened in several cases the exoneration registry report outlined.

The Innocence Project says eyewitness misidentification of a suspect plays a role in more than 70 percent of convictions that are later overturned through DNA evidence. Hundreds of studies have shown that eyewitness identification is frequently inaccurate and that human memories are not reliable, especially with traditional identification procedures. While simple reforms have been proposed, only about 14 U.S. states have implemented them, according to Innocence Project....
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By Shiva.Nikolce 2016-02-03 09:48:44
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Garuda.Chanti said: »
HuffPo. So King can deny its real.


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By Shiva.Nikolce 2016-02-03 10:07:03
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Bloodrose said: »
Canada.

We're talking about real places that exist... like the United States of America...
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By Shiva.Nikolce 2016-02-03 10:10:57
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slightly more serious reply...

Bloodrose said: »
Right now, there is an excess of laws, with next to no ability to enforce them, and others that have no purpose at all

how many laws are there in canada?

google tells me "there are, as of january 1st 2016, 4,668,934 laws in Canada"

but I have nothing to back that claim up
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By Bloodrose 2016-02-03 10:15:30
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Asura.Kingnobody said: »
Bloodrose said: »
I'm actually happy that we have this thing called "Due Process", in which we up hold the finer tenets of our Canadian Constitution.
Wait, you don't believe America has due process also?

How else do you think OJ Simpson got away with murder?

Bloodrose said: »
where as most employers would rather sacrifice the lives of their drivers for the bottom line.

Absolutely false. Not only would the company be held liable for the death of the driver, replacing said driver will also cost a lot of money.

A study also showed that truckers generally stay in the industry (not necessary in the same job) more. So, there goes your premise out the window....
You're as bad as some people when it comes to reading comprehension... Pulling half of a sentence or paragraph out to make some kind of point that doesn't exist. If you had read it, you would know it was in response to Omnys's post, and that Due Process itself is necessary.
Secondly, without the rules and regulations in the trucking industry, you can absolutely be sure that these business owners would, and have taken advantage of their employees. Additionally, your link actually supported the rest of my claim that Truckers are lasting longer and receiving better benefits from the existing and added regulations, due to better treatment. So not sure if you quoted the right person, or you dun goofed on what you were reading.

You know as well as I do, that the laws and regulations in any industry is there to hold them accountable, which was the entire basis of the argument.
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By Altimaomega 2016-02-03 10:17:06
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I won't pretend that academia isn't filled with leftists, but the way it's portrayed by the far right is more of an insult to them. Professors don't teach students what to think, they teach them how to think and how to test their conclusions.

Got anything to back up that claim? My experiences have shown the exact opposite to be true.
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By Bloodrose 2016-02-03 10:18:43
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Shiva.Nikolce said: »
Bloodrose said: »
Canada.

We're talking about real places that exist... like the United States of America...
Sorry, I forgot Canada is like Narnia to you guys down south...
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By Valefor.Sehachan 2016-02-03 10:22:02
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The restricted sample of your experiences is not indicative of the entirety of reality.


..and I'm shocked you even got a college education.
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By Bloodrose 2016-02-03 10:24:19
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Shiva.Nikolce said: »
slightly more serious reply...

Bloodrose said: »
Right now, there is an excess of laws, with next to no ability to enforce them, and others that have no purpose at all

how many laws are there in canada?

google tells me "there are, as of january 1st 2016, 4,668,934 laws in Canada"

but I have nothing to back that claim up
I have no idea how many laws there are, but if that number is even remotely accurate, that's an obvious amount that's far too much to enforce, since it's a strain on the resources (Canada's cities, as small as they are compared to US cities, are severely lacking in manpower, and many cities have had to recruit policemen and women from Britain - no Joke, almost half of Calgary's police force is now British [ok that might be a tad exaggerated as I don't know the actual number]) or recruiting people with no experience, training, or knowledge, just to *try* and keep enforceable laws on the books.
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By Bloodrose 2016-02-03 10:26:03
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I also pointed out to king and a few others, in other threads, that Canada, as well as other first world countries, have taken the example of the US Constitution as the basis of our own.

So I know he's intentionally being dense with his reply.
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By Shiva.Nikolce 2016-02-03 10:45:06
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Bloodrose said: »
I have no idea how many laws there are

Is there anyone smarter nearby that you could ask?

An adult perhaps...
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By Bloodrose 2016-02-03 10:49:01
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Shiva.Nikolce said: »
Bloodrose said: »
I have no idea how many laws there are

Is there anyone smarter nearby that you could ask?

An adult perhaps...
I can ask Donkey.

DONKEH!
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By Altimaomega 2016-02-03 10:53:01
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Valefor.Sehachan said: »
The restricted sample of your experiences is not indicative of the entirety of reality.


..and I'm shocked you even got a college education.

Not only did I receive a college education, I payed for my two sisters as well. Which only lead to grief for me later I might add. I'm shocked that people think someone needs a college education to have valid opinions!

Anyways, Jassik is most likely using his restricted experiences as a gauge and I don't see you berating his post!

The reality is college professors are teaching kids how to be more liberal when they should be teaching them what they are getting paid to teach.
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By Valefor.Sehachan 2016-02-03 10:56:48
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Altimaomega said: »
I'm shocked that people think someone needs a college education to have valid opinions!
If this is to me, I didn't say that.
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By Bloodrose 2016-02-03 10:57:19
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Altimaomega said: »
Valefor.Sehachan said: »
The restricted sample of your experiences is not indicative of the entirety of reality.


..and I'm shocked you even got a college education.

Not only did I receive a college education, I payed for my two sisters as well. Which only lead to grief for me later I might add. I'm shocked that people think someone needs a college education to have valid opinions!

Anyways, Jassik is most likely using his restricted experiences as a gauge and I don't see you berating his post!

The reality is college professors are teaching kids how to be more liberal when they should be teaching them what they are getting paid to teach.
Teachers can choose how to teach a class full of students the required material, and is often the realm and right of the teacher/professor *as is a requirement* to teach critical thinking skills. Because a student has been taught how to use critical thinking whilst having an open mind, doesn't mean the teacher is teaching them to be more liberal. It's actually managed to teach these kids to come to their own conclusions.

As long as the course material is covered. Which it is.
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By Shiva.Nikolce 2016-02-03 11:02:51
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Altimaomega said: »
The reality is college professors are teaching kids how to be more liberal when they should be teaching them what they are getting paid to teach.

I don't want to derail... but are you talking about liberal arts colleges?

"A liberal arts college aims to impart a broad general knowledge and develop general intellectual capacities, in contrast to a professional, vocational, or technical curriculum
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By Bahamut.Omael 2016-02-03 11:07:16
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Bloodrose said: »
As long as the course material is covered. Which it is.

Is the material being covered, or is it being covered liberally?
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By Bloodrose 2016-02-03 11:08:00
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Bahamut.Omael said: »
Bloodrose said: »
As long as the course material is covered. Which it is.

Is the material being covered, or is it being covered liberally?
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By Shiva.Nikolce 2016-02-03 11:12:30
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ok... well....we can just give him a moment or two to recover from the shock of finding liberals at the liberal arts college and move on...


found this funny advertisement

what are liberal arts
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By Altimaomega 2016-02-03 11:30:14
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Bloodrose said: »
Teachers can choose how to teach a class full of students the required material, and is often the realm and right of the teacher/professor *as is a requirement* to teach critical thinking skills. Because a student has been taught how to use critical thinking whilst having an open mind, doesn't mean the teacher is teaching them to be more liberal. It's actually managed to teach these kids to come to their own conclusions.

Why is it that every single person that seems to have critical thinking skills tend to be Conservative then? And everyone that tends to be more liberal lacks said skills?

I know you're going to say I'm being biased and that my personal experiences don't count. However, what else is there to base my conclusions on? Studies done by liberal or conservative professors?

Shiva.Nikolce said: »
I don't want to derail... but are you talking about liberal arts colleges?

"A liberal arts college aims to impart a broad general knowledge and develop general intellectual capacities, in contrast to a professional, vocational, or technical curriculum

Actually no.. sense many things taught in liberal arts are considered Conservative.
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By Valefor.Sehachan 2016-02-03 11:32:13
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Please, don't try to kill us with laughter.
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By Artemicion 2016-02-03 11:35:51
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I'm sure there's a significant handful of professors that use their tenure as a means to be more of a mouthpiece to their students (regardless of leaning left or right), than focusing solely on the curriculum at hand. However, in the end, that's strictly anecdotal evidence, and ultimately comes down to many variables. Such as the course, the university/campus location, and of course the instructor him/herself.
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By Cerberus.Pleebo 2016-02-03 11:51:54
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Altimaomega said: »
Why is it that every single person that seems to have critical thinking skills tend to be Conservative then? And everyone that tends to be more liberal lacks said skills?

I know you're going to say I'm being biased and that my personal experiences don't count. However, what else is there to base my conclusions on? Studies done by liberal or conservative professors?
Your critical thinking skills in action? Dazzling.
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By Altimaomega 2016-02-03 11:54:22
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Cerberus.Pleebo said: »
Altimaomega said: »
Why is it that every single person that seems to have critical thinking skills tend to be Conservative then? And everyone that tends to be more liberal lacks said skills?

I know you're going to say I'm being biased and that my personal experiences don't count. However, what else is there to base my conclusions on? Studies done by liberal or conservative professors?
Your critical thinking skills in action? Dazzling.
Coming from you.. Priceless..
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By Shiva.Nikolce 2016-02-03 12:35:43
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do both of you young gentlemen want to spend some time in the time out corner HUMMM!?

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By Bloodrose 2016-02-03 12:37:33
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Shiva.Nikolce said: »
do both of you young gentlemen want to spend some time in the time out corner HUMMM!?

Nikolce uses /stern look
Stern look is ineffective!
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By Jassik 2016-02-03 14:18:53
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Altimaomega said: »
Jassik said: »
I won't pretend that academia isn't filled with leftists, but the way it's portrayed by the far right is more of an insult to them. Professors don't teach students what to think, they teach them how to think and how to test their conclusions.

Got anything to back up that claim? My experiences have shown the exact opposite to be true.

Unless you're claiming that the vast majority of educated people are liberal, I don't know what you're asking for.
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By Altimaomega 2016-02-03 14:46:39
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I figured as much.
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By Jassik 2016-02-03 14:51:48
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Altimaomega said: »
I figured as much.

Is that supposed to sound clever?
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By Altimaomega 2016-02-03 14:55:29
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Jassik said: »
Altimaomega said: »
I figured as much.

Is that supposed to sound clever?

Um.. No.. Is that? lol
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