Laws And Rules And Regulations...oh My!

I believe the "harm" that these laws cause is financial. It is my understanding that the more runs a driver makes, the more they get paid. Or they get bonuses for quicker delivery times. Therefore, they want to drive longer for a bigger paycheck. Why do you think truckers have always had the image of popping amphetamines on the road.

Many people have said already that the jail system needs to be reworked in many places.

Why should I search for something you made a statement of?

At least give names of people you accuse of "sympathizing with Adam Lanza and the UC Santa Barbara kid." That's always a start.

Possibly. Again, I don't know the rate structure of the industry.

when you look at the world as a whole, do you see any evidence of this order that you speak of?

is there a place where people behave well and get along with one another?

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just trying to get everyone out of their entrenched positions for a minute or two and look at things from a different perspective. that's all.

/shrug

I think what we learn in our formative years, from parents, grandparents, or whoever, ends up having more bearing on our behaviors than any law or rule could ever hope to.

I'm kind of with pleebo though, in that, what do we do with that thought, or more-over, what are we trying to accomplish once we've agreed to the premise that laws / rules are punitive and not preventative?

Long-haul truckers are frequently paid by the mile. Obviously the speed limit places a soft limit on how much they can earn per hour, with increasing technology, logs, and increasing penalties to discourage the several-ton machine from going too fast.

Laws the regulate how long they can work per day (smart!), means that they're limited to how much they can earn in a day, but because they have to travel the same distance, they spend more of their days to get there thus making less money for more time spent.

The laws are there to regulate the truckers, but they help regulate the industry too as companies are found liable when it can be proven they were overworking the trucker. The trucker doesn't escape liability, but it reaches into the company's pockets as well, and that's bad for business--so the business stops pushing individuals so hard.

I'm sorry that it has a negative effect on people's pocketbooks but it's not unreasonable that they be regulated.

I'm not against the law, I used it as an example of a good law to have.

Just to let you know.

Surely.

How many people would be religious if it weren't for the beliefs instilled by their parents?

I can tell you Jesus fed 5000 with a boy's lunch of fish and bread and some people might believe me, but what if I told you a guy did it last year at the county fair? You'd demand video evidence from five different angles and still doubt me.

Many of us don't stop believing in Santa til our parents sit us down for a talk.

A lot of ideas are instilled in us by those we willfully give authority to even past childhood. Most kids go to college, learn from liberal professors and come out very deeply liberal. The same surely happens with conservatives too but either in far less numbers, or conservative professors don't teach their students to use the internet.

Oh, I got that. I was just providing some insight.

but santa claus is real. he was a real guy.

I can't for the life of me understand why people lie to children and tell them he breaks into our homes to give us presents if we have been good....or at least not bad enough to attract his attention...

but your parents lied to you when they told you he rode in sleigh pulled by magical reindeer...

and then they lied to you again when they told you he wasn't real

why you believed anything they told you after that is the real mystery

I didn't need to be told Santa wasn't real, I was able to realize on my own that more than something was off in that story..

I think most people's daily interactions are civil and ordered. How often do situations devolve into lawlessness? It's rare and if it happened with high frequency I doubt we'd have the luxury of discussing the finer nuances of societal workings over the internet with strangers.

I didn't have to have 'the talk' because I had the internet.

I was gonna post in reply to this that all our avatars should be changed to have top hats...then I realized that Nik's actually does and he is the one who made the thread.

Mind blown.

Yeah, the internet is awful about spoilers.

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I don't recall when I realized Santa wasn't real but I realized it on my own.

I wasn't talking about religion. I was talking about something far more pervasive and far less tangible.

/looks around
with their pillow wives?
and red raw yet surprisingly soft hands ... yeah...

Obviously I was not referring to WE, the so pale we're almost green skinned borderline Hikikomori, never away from the glow of a screen, locked away in a fortress of paranoia recluses...

You know after catching up on this thread, i'm really disappointed that the "pooping on other people's car" tangent didn't last longer.

Top hats? Your wish is my command.

I think we all learned a valuable lesson about not driving convertibles with the top down in whatever city seha lives in...

>.>

We need more laws to achieve this? I'm fairly certain you are on the more laws train and not looking to get off for quite some time.

Or are you just making a blanket statement that cannot be refuted?

Also. The ACA is a law and has no affect on other peoples interactions. So we can toss it in the garbage where it belongs now right?

I practice Insanity regularly...

Canada.
In all seriousness though, we have many of the same problems, however, while I am loathe to say our "justice" system is better than America's (which, it really isn't noticeably better), we have rehabilitation practices in place of incarcerations. While I secretly hold the opinion that some people deserve the death penalty, I'm actually happy that we have this thing called "Due Process", in which we up hold the finer tenets of our Canadian Constitution.
Secondly, Even in the remote possibility that taking a life is granted under the law, it's never an easy thing for the administrators to do it. There is a heavy burden that proponents of a Death Penalty seem to ignore, or simply can't grasp: And that is that the Justice Systems are not foolproof, and many innocent people have been convicted, made out to be murderers, evidence tampered with, etc. in order to make someone a murderer, just so that *someone* is punished. Where does that "Eye for an Eye" garbage lead us then? Who then gets to seek retribution for the man killed, if it comes to light that the man doing the lethal injection killed an innocent person?

These questions are why the checks and balances are in place to begin with
"An Eye for an Eye, and a tooth for a tooth, leaves the whole world blind with nothing to say" is also a more notable concept of a civilized society.

Right now, there is an excess of laws, with next to no ability to enforce them, and others that have no purpose at all, except to appeal to the "feels" of the suffered. There are laws, of course, that are out there that work as intended. However, in both the US and Canadian Constitutional building blocks, there are laws and amendments that certain rights and freedoms are secondary due to the fact that the greater safety of the populace can not be trumped by the rights and freedoms of the individual.

Additionally, the trucking Industry is rapidly expanding, and paying extremely well. I have family in the industry, and none of their rights or freedoms have come under fire from these new and already existing laws. It's given them more rights and freedoms from being overworked and underpaid. Being on the road for 16 hours a day is extremely taxing physically, and mentally (unless of course, you're a brain dead moron), where as most employers would rather sacrifice the lives of their drivers for the bottom line. Part of the biggest reason vehicles become such deadly weapons isn't solely because of people being under the influence of drugs or alcohol, is because drivers are sleep deprived, which stunts your cognitive motor control and response time in much the same way drugs and alcohol can.

Don't presume my thinking. The topic has to do with the general concept of laws so "more laws" doesn't mean anything without any context. I answered the question as asked.

Wait, you don't believe America has due process also?

How else do you think OJ Simpson got away with murder?


Absolutely false. Not only would the company be held liable for the death of the driver, replacing said driver will also cost a lot of money.

A study also showed that truckers generally stay in the industry (not necessary in the same job) more. So, there goes your premise out the window....

never mind him...

first off, I want to argue that we in the USA don't live in a "civil and ordered" society as you have suggested.

Based on the 2015 crime statistics. A violent crime happens every 27.1 seconds

So he that goes to law, as the proverb is, holds a wolf by the ears, or, as a sheep in a storm runs for shelter to a briar, if he prosecute his cause he is consumed, if he surcease his suit he loseth all; what difference?
—Robert Burton

I won't pretend that academia isn't filled with leftists, but the way it's portrayed by the far right is more of an insult to them. Professors don't teach students what to think, they teach them how to think and how to test their conclusions.