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Laws And Rules and Regulations...oh my!
By Jetackuu 2016-02-02 14:50:03
The same book, the same testament also says "an eye for an eye" and God protects his children as they go to war.
That really explains where you get your demented "morals" from.
I cannot fathom why people would want a society that doesn't consider death a reasonable penalty for murder without justification and especially mass murders.
Because we're not all followers of a bronze-age wet dream?
My point was that the bible says thou shalt not kill and yet God abides killing when it is necessary, or seem to. So clearly, even by God's standards, there is a time for killing.
It's ludicrous to punish group murderers by providing them food/housing/psychological help for the rest of their lives OR, laughably, letting them go. That's really teaching them!
Your point is that the god of the bible is a contradictory ***? Yeah, we're rather aware.
It's ludicrous to call ourselves a civilized society when people still promote the execution of those who incarcerated.
Edit: There is no *teaching them*. They deserve exactly the same cruelty they gave.
That's your opinion, and you're entitled to it. We're also free to think that it's horrendously stupid and barbaric.
By Altimaomega 2016-02-02 14:50:51
It's ludicrous to punish group murderers by providing them food/housing/psychological help for the rest of their lives OR, laughably, letting them go. That's really teaching them!
Edit: There is no *teaching them*. They deserve exactly the same cruelty they gave.
Personally i think the people that think otherwise should keep these people in their own homes.
By Jetackuu 2016-02-02 14:51:30
It's ludicrous to punish group murderers by providing them food/housing/psychological help for the rest of their lives OR, laughably, letting them go. That's really teaching them!
Edit: There is no *teaching them*. They deserve exactly the same cruelty they gave.
Personally i think the people that think otherwise should keep these people in their own homes.
It's illegal to hold people against their will unless you're the government.
edit: Or paid to do so by the government (hello private prisons).
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By Cerberus.Pleebo 2016-02-02 14:51:31
I'd almost believe that if you have ever shown the desire to have a conversation. Nice insult btw. smh You can either answer the question (that wasn't really directed at you) or continue with your obvious grudge.
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By Altimaomega 2016-02-02 14:54:03
I'd almost believe that if you have ever shown the desire to have a conversation. Nice insult btw. smh You can either answer the question (that wasn't really directed at you) or continue with your obvious grudge.
I'm not the one tossing around insults. I'm not going to answer your ridiculous question because you cannot separate your obvious grudge from a conversation.
By Altimaomega 2016-02-02 14:56:13
It's ludicrous to punish group murderers by providing them food/housing/psychological help for the rest of their lives OR, laughably, letting them go. That's really teaching them!
Edit: There is no *teaching them*. They deserve exactly the same cruelty they gave.
Personally i think the people that think otherwise should keep these people in their own homes.
It's illegal to hold people against their will unless you're the government.
edit: Or paid to do so by the government (hello private prisons). I never said hold them. They get to live with you for free until a medical professional says they will never kill again.
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By Valefor.Omnys 2016-02-02 14:56:49
That's your opinion, and you're entitled to it. We're also free to think that it's horrendously stupid and barbaric.
It's some kind of barbaric and a whole lot of stupid to tell the families of victims that the closest thing to justice that their loved once will ever get is the criminal getting free room-and-board for the rest of his life.
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By Asura.Kingnobody 2016-02-02 14:56:50
Just report and ignore him Altima.
Although reporting him won't do any good. He can go on a tirade and get away with it, but all you have to do is indirectly insult him and you get a 6 month ban.
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By Valefor.Sehachan 2016-02-02 14:57:04
That's really teaching them! You're behaving like Nik said: applying revenge.
By Jetackuu 2016-02-02 14:57:33
That's your opinion, and you're entitled to it. We're also free to think that it's horrendously stupid and barbaric.
It's some kind of barbaric and a whole lot of stupid to tell the families of victims that the closest thing to justice that their loved once will ever get is the criminal getting free room-and-board for the rest of his life.
Your concept of justice is very morbid. Also your concept of "barbaric" is rather unique.
By Jetackuu 2016-02-02 14:58:19
It's ludicrous to punish group murderers by providing them food/housing/psychological help for the rest of their lives OR, laughably, letting them go. That's really teaching them!
Edit: There is no *teaching them*. They deserve exactly the same cruelty they gave.
Personally i think the people that think otherwise should keep these people in their own homes.
It's illegal to hold people against their will unless you're the government.
edit: Or paid to do so by the government (hello private prisons). I never said hold them. They get to live with you for free until a medical professional says they will never kill again.
Like I said, it's illegal to hold people against their will unless you're the government, and or paid to do so by them.
I'm sorry that you cannot grasp the difference between what you say and reality.
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By Valefor.Sehachan 2016-02-02 14:58:34
Personally i think the people that think otherwise should keep these people in their own homes. I lost braincells reading this reply.
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By Cerberus.Pleebo 2016-02-02 14:59:21
If you're getting banned and I'm not, perhaps I'm not the problem.
It was an honest post. Deal with it.
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By Altimaomega 2016-02-02 14:59:24
It's ludicrous to punish group murderers by providing them food/housing/psychological help for the rest of their lives OR, laughably, letting them go. That's really teaching them!
Edit: There is no *teaching them*. They deserve exactly the same cruelty they gave.
Personally i think the people that think otherwise should keep these people in their own homes.
It's illegal to hold people against their will unless you're the government.
edit: Or paid to do so by the government (hello private prisons). I never said hold them. They get to live with you for free until a medical professional says they will never kill again.
Like I said, it's illegal to hold people against their will unless you're the government, and or paid to do so by them.
I'm sorry that you cannot grasp the difference between what you say and reality.
That's cool I can compromise, the government can pay for it. You are missing the entire point anyways.
By Jetackuu 2016-02-02 15:00:09
That's cool I can compromise, the government can pay for it. You are missing the entire point anyways. Yet I'm not, you are the one who is. You cannot grasp the ridiculousness of your hypothetical scenario and how it doesn't compare to reality.
By Jetackuu 2016-02-02 15:00:42
Personally i think the people that think otherwise should keep these people in their own homes. I lost braincells reading this reply.
Aneurysms suck, no?
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By Valefor.Omnys 2016-02-02 15:01:36
I won't deny the obvious similarity that revenge and eye-for-an-eye justice share.
Equal punishment for a crime is the only true justice. What's one human life worth? One human life. It's not worth an amount of money or someone spending time in prison.
These monsters themselves set the value of a victim's life at the cash in their wallet, or a car, but we want to act like the criminal's life is so valuable.
By Jetackuu 2016-02-02 15:03:03
I won't deny the obvious similarity that revenge and eye-for-an-eye justice share.
Equal punishment for a crime is the only true justice. What's one human life worth? One human life. It's not worth an amount of money or someone spending time in prison.
These monsters themselves set the value of a victim's life at the cash in their wallet, or a car, but we want to act like the criminal's life is so valuable. Your concept of justice is very morbid.
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By Caitsith.Zahrah 2016-02-02 15:03:11
and that's revenge. pure and simple. What gives someone the right to kill someone else? I read a story once that god had these words etched with lightning into stone....
Thou Shall Not Kill
and yet for reasons that escapes my understanding we seem to have added several exclusions for ourselves..
unless war is declared
or they killed someone first
or their crime is shocking and horrible
self defense
crime of passion
temporary insanity
they are so rich they don't know right from wrong (*Affluenza teen again)
You call it revenge, I'd call it justice. I honestly believe death sentences for willfully causing someone else's death is the only proper response (outside of self-defense/defense of someone else).
The same book, the same testament also says "an eye for an eye" and God protects his children as they go to war.
I cannot fathom why people would want a society that doesn't consider death a reasonable penalty for murder without justification and especially mass murders.
Our legal system would be much better if it operated, in all things, on an eye-for-an-eye policy. From violent crime to business crime. Companies making hundreds of millions of dollars based on fraud and getting fined millions.
Not sure what you're expecting from FFXIAH. People here have sympathized and have turned themselves inside-out trying to justify people like Adam Lanza and the UC Santa Barbara kid.
It's a pretty dismal perusing mass shooting threads, and realizing that there are some who believe that these actions don't deserve consequences of some sort.
In most cases, I'm not even remotely in favor of the death penalty, but there is a line.
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By Valefor.Sehachan 2016-02-02 15:03:21
You don't have the authority to draw the line. Life is to be preserved, even if you don't like the individual.
edit: it was a reply to Omnys but somehow Z' post ended with a line lol
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By Asura.Kingnobody 2016-02-02 15:03:58
People here have sympathized and have turned themselves inside-out trying to justify people like Adam Lanza and the UC Santa Barbara kid. huh?
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By Jetackuu 2016-02-02 15:04:29
People here have sympathized and have turned themselves inside-out trying to justify people like Adam Lanza 
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By Altimaomega 2016-02-02 15:05:33
That's cool I can compromise, the government can pay for it. You are missing the entire point anyways. Yet I'm not, you are the one who is. You cannot grasp the ridiculousness of your hypothetical scenario and how it doesn't compare to reality.
Whaaa? I give up. You win. Let all the murders free!
By Jetackuu 2016-02-02 15:06:25
That's cool I can compromise, the government can pay for it. You are missing the entire point anyways. Yet I'm not, you are the one who is. You cannot grasp the ridiculousness of your hypothetical scenario and how it doesn't compare to reality.
Whaaa? I give up. You win. Let all the murderers free!
I never suggested such a thing. Also, ftfy.
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By Altimaomega 2016-02-02 15:06:40
I don't understand how I can totally disagree with you Jet and still +1 certain posts.. Damn internet.
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By Valefor.Omnys 2016-02-02 15:11:25
You don't have the authority to draw the line. Life is to be preserved, even if you don't like the individual.
edit: it was a reply to Omnys but somehow Z' post ended with a line lol don't, but why don't we? What is so wrong with the government executing a murderer? Life is only equivalent to life, and so that's the only true justice.
There is no justice, none of any kind, in having a murderer spend a few years in prison and then be released.
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By Cerberus.Pleebo 2016-02-02 15:13:51
We at least like to pretend that imprisonment is rehabilitive (with some notable exceptions).
By Jetackuu 2016-02-02 15:20:42
We at least like to pretend that imprisonment is rehabilitive (with some notable exceptions).
Which is another issue, we really should separate the rehabilitate class of prisoners with the ones who will be in for life. Then again that's just one of many things wrong with our criminal "justice" system.
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By Caitsith.Zahrah 2016-02-02 15:24:15
People here have sympathized and have turned themselves inside-out trying to justify people like Adam Lanza and the UC Santa Barbara kid. huh?
Is the search function still broken? Have at it.
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By Valefor.Omnys 2016-02-02 15:25:12
In arguing with you guys. I considered that maybe, maybe, life in prison is equal punishment for death. Maybe.
But then they get free room and board, possibly maintain contact with loved ones, are a direct burden on the state or whoever the state is paying to house them (previously mentioned food, housing plus rehabilitation programs--whether or not they work, medical and schooling which we pay for!). They actually get to live a better life than some of the lowest classes of our society (homeless, very poor).
Why attempt to 'save' a person who did something terribly wrong, when they took the most precious thing from a person/people that did nothing wrong? Why give someone a second chance who took someone else's first chance?
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you're probably breaking the law right now
In the now locked gun thread I was trying to have a discussion about laws and their impact... So why not make it it's own thread and carry it over here!
"These people have made many rules that the rich may break but the poor may not. They take their tithes from the poor and weak to support the rich and those who rule." Sitting Bull
“Behold, the Spring has come; the earth has received the embraces of the sun and we shall soon see the results of that love!
Every seed is awakened and so has all animal life. It is through this mysterious power that we too have our being, and we therefore yield to our neighbors, even our animal neighbors, the same right as ourselves, to inhabit this land.
Yet, hear me, people, we have now to deal with another race – small and feeble when our fathers first met them but now great and overbearing. Strangely enough they have a mind to till the soil and the love of possession is a disease with them. These people have made many rules that the rich may break but the poor may not. They take their tithes from the poor and weak to support the rich and those who rule.
They claim this mother of ours, the earth, for their own and fence their neighbors away; they deface her with their buildings and their refuse. The nation is like a spring freshet that overruns its banks and destroys all that are in its path.
We cannot dwell side by side. Only seven years ago we made a treaty by which we were assured that the buffalo country should be left to us forever. Now they threaten to take that away from us. My brothers, shall we submit or shall we say to them: 'First kill me before you take possession of my land”
― Sitting Bull
So let's get into it. Whether it's gun laws or speed limits, every day we create more laws that few follow.... and whether or not you "get away with" breaking laws is typically decided by how much money you have. (*See Affluenza Teen)
What good are laws that regulate the caliber of a bullet or the size of a magazine when those that have no respect for laws are breaking one of the most fundamental and harshly punished laws already, MURDER. Who do we imagine would abide by these additional laws we consider writing?
What law ever stopped a crime from happening or undid the horror of it's impact?
Do laws and rules make you feel safe? If laws don't stop a crime from happening what is their purpose? Perhaps they exist only to create a recourse for revenge against those that break them, are unlucky enough to get caught and then can't afford to buy their way out of trouble.
tl;dr locks only keep people without tools out...justice is the whim of a judge...and other mad ramblings of a deranged lunatic.
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