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Do you think America has a war on Christmas?
By Ramyrez 2015-12-24 09:55:33
Asura.Floppyseconds said: »I just have found myself in many-a-time where I have told people "Happy Holidays" and they get all pissy and say "Merry Christmas".
Coworkers who act upset "I don't care what you believe. This is Christmas, and blah blah", and the obnoxious "Keep Christ in Christmas" bumper magnets.
I have been lucky enough to have to have dealt with none of these people in person. Maybe that's the thing. Most of the people I deal with in real life are entirely reasonable; I have to come to the internet to speak to these people.
Bumper stickers I do see, and every time I see a "keep Christ in Christmas" or "Jesus is the reason for the season" bumper sticker I do weigh the price of my deductible very carefully to see if rear-ending them would be worth the satisfaction.
It hasn't been yet, but who knows. Some day.
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By Cerberus.Anjisnu 2015-12-24 09:58:06
i always say happy holidays as i don't *** know what some random *** stranger celebrates lol if they get pissed off oh well i have a saying "if your mindgina gets *** by my thoughtcock you deserve your sadness"
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By Cerberus.Anjisnu 2015-12-24 09:59:48
and i don't do that to avoid trampling on someone's religion as i quite enjoy that i do it because if they get lippy i might do something stupid lol
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By Cerberus.Anjisnu 2015-12-24 10:08:05
only thing i truly enjoy about christmas is seeing how fast i can get uninvited to pre-zombie jesus's bday shindig
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By Cerberus.Anjisnu 2015-12-24 10:11:17
on a somewhat related sidenote i seen a yard with merry xmas in lights but the x was a swastika and i had half a diet dr. pepper come out my nose
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By Clinpachi 2015-12-24 10:13:27
http://www.whychristmas.com/cultures/
Almost the entire world celebrates it in their own way. Happy Holidays, Merry Christmas. It makes no difference. Spend time with family, eat food, and reflect on your life.
I like the color black.
I like the flavor vanilla.
I prefer Chicken to Steak.
People all over this forum and the entire world will try to tell me why my choices are wrong and why I should go kill myself. How black represents evil or how Vanilla means I'm a plain person. ect ect ect.
Do what makes you happy and keep to yourself and your family for a change. No point in trying to argue about this on the internet. ESPECIALLY on this site of all places.
By Ramyrez 2015-12-24 10:22:58
I prefer Chicken to Steak.
This aggression will not stand, man.
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By Clinpachi 2015-12-24 10:49:19
Asura.Floppyseconds said: »
All those 1% of Chinese people off celebrating it! Whew! China!
I wonder what Christmas looks like in Syria and Iraq..
It says only 1% of the Chinese are actually Christian. According to the article it's still widely celebrated in the country even though most people don't understand the songs and stories. Other traditions are put in place of westernized ones.
By Clinpachi 2015-12-24 11:21:05
Asura.Floppyseconds said: »Asura.Floppyseconds said: »
All those 1% of Chinese people off celebrating it! Whew! China!
I wonder what Christmas looks like in Syria and Iraq..
It says only 1% of the Chinese are actually Christian. According to the article it's still widely celebrated in the country even though most people don't understand the songs and stories. Other traditions are put in place of westernized ones.
Quote: In China, only about one percent of people are Christians, so most people only know a few things about Christmas. Because of this, Christmas is only often celebrated in major cities.
Widely?
Courtesy of Google:
China has 14 cities of over 5 million people (Shanghai, Beijing, Tianjin, Guangzhou, Shenzhen, Dongguan, Taipei, Chengdu, Hong Kong, Nanjing, Wuhan, Shenyang, Hangzhou, and Chongqing)
Yes Widely. Meaning not entirely or the remote small areas.
Also courtesy of Google. I love you Google.
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By Leviathan.Chaosx 2015-12-24 11:31:46
The Chinese have their own version of everything! Including Christianity.
Quote: It is said to be China's biggest church and on Easter Sunday thousands of worshippers will flock to this Asian mega-temple to pledge their allegiance – not to the Communist Party, but to the Cross.
The 5,000-capacity Liushi church, which boasts more than twice as many seats as Westminster Abbey and a 206ft crucifix that can be seen for miles around, opened last year with one theologian declaring it a "miracle that such a small town was able to build such a grand church".
The £8 million building is also one of the most visible symbols of Communist China's breakneck conversion as it evolves into one of the largest Christian congregations on earth.
"It is a wonderful thing to be a follower of Jesus Christ. It gives us great confidence," beamed Jin Hongxin, a 40-year-old visitor who was admiring the golden cross above Liushi's altar in the lead up to Holy Week.
"If everyone in China believed in Jesus then we would have no more need for police stations. There would be no more bad people and therefore no more crime," she added.
Officially, the People's Republic of China is an atheist country but that is changing fast as many of its 1.3 billion citizens seek meaning and spiritual comfort that neither communism nor capitalism seem to have supplied.
Christian congregations in particular have skyrocketed since churches began reopening when Chairman Mao's death in 1976 signalled the end of the Cultural Revolution.
Less than four decades later, some believe China is now poised to become not just the world's number one economy but also its most numerous Christian nation.
"By my calculations China is destined to become the largest Christian country in the world very soon," said Fenggang Yang, a professor of sociology at Purdue University and author of Religion in China: Survival and Revival under Communist Rule.
"It is going to be less than a generation. Not many people are prepared for this dramatic change."
China's Protestant community, which had just one million members in 1949, has already overtaken those of countries more commonly associated with an evangelical boom. In 2010 there were more than 58 million Protestants in China compared to 40 million in Brazil and 36 million in South Africa, according to the Pew Research Centre's Forum on Religion and Public Life.
Prof Yang, a leading expert on religion in China, believes that number will swell to around 160 million by 2025. That would likely put China ahead even of the United States, which had around 159 million Protestants in 2010 but whose congregations are in decline.
By 2030, China's total Christian population, including Catholics, would exceed 247 million, placing it above Mexico, Brazil and the United States as the largest Christian congregation in the world, he predicted. China on course to become 'world's most Christian nation' within 15 years
The Chinese truly are God's chosen people.
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By Clinpachi 2015-12-24 11:32:24
To be honest the true people who WANT to ACTUALLY wage war on Christmas probably just weren't hugged enough as a child. I'd LIKE to think that nobody would be against food, family, friends, and reflection on life or your own religious choices. Only those without any value, compassion, or a proper childhood would want to destroy something that other people hold dear.
Humanity has a habit of loathing what we as individuals can't have.
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By Bahamut.Kara 2015-12-24 11:40:49
Asura.Floppyseconds said: »But the real funny part is when the avid atheists spend their time making fun of Christians, and yet they themselves celebrate Christmas as a holiday.
How unfortunate that Yule happens to fall on the same day. Hmmm....
I can count on one hand the number of times I've heard someone actually say that they're celebrating Yule. Actually, make that zero hands.
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By Bahamut.Ravael 2015-12-24 11:43:40
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By Clinpachi 2015-12-24 11:43:46
Someday we will all bang-a-rang eachother into one single race of humans with the most mutt mix of genes ever conceived. Maybe within that time frame aliens will visit us. Slavery and rights to voting returns. Inter species relationship debates! She's my four eyed gleep glorp and I'll love who I want!
By volkom 2015-12-24 11:47:38
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By Phoenix.Demonjustin 2015-12-24 12:26:08
There's no war on Christmas, simply overreaction from people who don't like change and reactionaries who're just as stupid as they sound.
You take offense from something said with intent to bring joy and togetherness? You're a moron.
You take offense from the fact that people say "Happy Holidays" rather than "Merry Christmas" so that all people may feel included in your wises? You're a moron too.
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By Asura.Kingnobody 2015-12-24 12:28:57
Phoenix.Demonjustin said: »There's no war on Christmas Nikolce says otherwise. He declared war on Christmas about 30 years ago.
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By Ragnarok.Nausi 2015-12-24 13:08:27
Phoenix.Demonjustin said: »There's no war on Christmas, simply overreaction from people who don't like change and reactionaries who're just as stupid as they sound.
You take offense from something said with intent to bring joy and togetherness? You're a moron.
You take offense from the fact that people say "Happy Holidays" rather than "Merry Christmas" so that all people may feel included in your wises? You're a moron too.
Another one who doesn't get it.
You're not endorsing someone's holiday when you wish them a merry Christmas, you're telling them you are celebrating Christmas. When you wish someone a happy birthday you're celebrating their birthday.
The reason people say happy holidays instead of saying merry Christmas is because there are people who are simply offended at Christmas. Yes they do exist, but in a country where over 95% of people celebrate the holiday, it's stupid that we need to water it down a bit as to not offend anyone.
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By Lakshmi.Sparthosx 2015-12-24 13:11:52
The only war during Christmas is the battle of keeping your credit score from looking like it took a pipe bomb to the face.
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By Ragnarok.Nausi 2015-12-24 13:25:13
Asura.Floppyseconds said: »Phoenix.Demonjustin said: »There's no war on Christmas, simply overreaction from people who don't like change and reactionaries who're just as stupid as they sound.
You take offense from something said with intent to bring joy and togetherness? You're a moron.
You take offense from the fact that people say "Happy Holidays" rather than "Merry Christmas" so that all people may feel included in your wises? You're a moron too.
Another one who doesn't get it.
You're not endorsing someone's holiday when you wish them a merry Christmas, you're telling them you are celebrating Christmas. When you wish someone a happy birthday you're celebrating their birthday.
The reason people say happy holidays instead of saying merry Christmas is because there are people who are simply offended at Christmas. Yes they do exist, but in a country where over 95% of people celebrate the holiday, it's stupid that we need to water it down a bit as to not offend anyone.
No we say happy holidays because simply there are other holidays besides Christmas near or at the same time. Which other holidays do you celebrate?
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By Ragnarok.Nausi 2015-12-24 13:42:11
Asura.Floppyseconds said: »It is not about what I celebrate. You don't know anything about the other person. So instead of being presumptuous you can say happy holidays as there are other holidays.
I wouldn't tell an orthodox Jew "Merry Christmas" because that is just silly. I might as well ask him if he likes bacon and shrimp.
Your argument comes down to "don't wish someone a holiday if they don't celebrate it".
How do you know anyone celebrates any holiday? Some people don't celebrate st patricks day, are you not suppose to say happy st patty's day when it's st patty's day? Some people hate valentines day, so that means you shouldn't wish anyone a happy valentines day?
Do people still say happy holidays on new year's eve?
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By Bismarck.Dracondria 2015-12-24 13:52:30
Asura.Floppyseconds said: »But the real funny part is when the avid atheists spend their time making fun of Christians, and yet they themselves celebrate Christmas as a holiday.
How unfortunate that Yule happens to fall on the same day. Hmmm....
I can count on one hand the number of times I've heard someone actually say that they're celebrating Yule. Actually, make that zero hands. 
God Jul!
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The Syrian Conflict Won't Steal My Christmas
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Quote: This post is part of a special series of articles by blogger and activist Marcell Shehwaro, describing the realities of life in Syria during the ongoing armed conflict between forces loyal to the current regime, and those seeking to oust it.
Quote: Christmas used to have a special meaning in my family, full of spiritual and familial rituals. As children, my sister Leila and I used to take turns throughout the night watching out for Santa Claus, waiting to catch him “in the act”. I cannot remember clearly when we realized it was a trick played by our parents, or when we found all our letters to him, written over the years, safely stashed away by our parents. Even after growing up and realizing that Santa did not exist, my mother insisted that exchanging the gifts under the tree remain an annual ritual. A ritual that stopped, obviously, after she was gone.
At the beginning of December, she used to ask each of us what we needed, what we wished for, and she made sure that each of us bought gifts for the others. We would spend Christmas morning exchanging gifts and letters, after which I would spend hours upon hours getting ready. The hairdo, the makeup, the new clothes. I kept on buying new clothes—“Christmas clothes”—every year until I was 28. I used to look very colorful at Christmas. My hair would be, contrary to the norm, well styled. I used to practice using different colors on my eyelids. I would even sometimes go all out and draw a butterfly tattoo on my shoulder—“It’s Christmas!” I would then go to mass, followed by a party where Santa would show up and give us balloons and hats, and we would dance to “Jingle Bells”.
When my father died many Christmas rituals disappeared from our household. The tree disappeared, for instance, but my mother retained the rituals of love and gift-giving, as well as her insistence every year that we go out to celebrate with our friends and leave her by herself. Today I regret every time I left her alone, as a teenager, to go out to celebrate with friends.
After my sister’s marriage and birth of her first child, Christmas regained its familial flair and my mother regained her smile. The ritual of decorating the tree was revived and she celebrated with the grandchildren. The number of letters to Santa increased and we all got creative in inventing new scenarios for Santa to show up and distribute the gifts.
Then the revolution started.
The first Christmas is as ordinary as possible. I try to ignore the imminent threat and have an ordinary family Christmas, trying to ease my mother’s fears and wishes for me to stay safe.
The following year it is impossible to ignore all that. My last day in our house is New Year’s. Security forces are already on my trail because of what I was writing, and what some people—people with whom I used to spend Christmas, signing, dancing and celebrating—were writing to the security forces about me.
That day was my last day on the western side of Aleppo which, to this day, remains under Assad’s control, making it impossible for me to go there. I crossed the border into Turkey and re-entered from the liberated side of the city. To make the crossing between the two territories I had to use a fake identity and disguise myself with a head scarf. And to evade the regime's snipers targeting crossers, we had to race between the crossing’s two points. Those were the most dangerous five minutes ever. Crossing, without any goal worthy of this sacrifice except the “memory of the New Year”. Christmas as an act of resistance—I wasn’t going to let them steal my Christmas.
I crossed safely to the other side: a “Christmas miracle”, maybe. And I celebrated Christmas and New Year’s with the friends who loved me so much they took the risk of celebrating with me. I then returned to the liberated part of Aleppo, making that my last visit to my house, to those streets and to Christmas as I knew it.
At the same time that year another miracle happens in my city: my best friend survives a shelling at a new year’s party. I’m still grateful for that. The most beautiful miracle of my life.
The following year finds ISIS on my tail. It is very dangerous for me, as a Christian, to be in areas where they roam freely, kidnapping revolutionaries, first the Muslims among them. But despite the danger I insist on putting up a Christmas tree at my house. During wartime, there is no place you can easily buy a Christmas tree. I had to buy it in Turkey, at a price that I could ill afford then. I wrapped its various parts in clothing and smuggled it all the way to Aleppo. I hid the decorations inside boxes of tissues. Two hours on the road during which I feigned confidence at every checkpoint so that my clothes wouldn’t be not searched and my smuggled tree wouldn’t be exposed.
At an ISIS checkpoint at the city’s entrance a guard asks: “Who is this suitcase for?”
It’s mine. I make a move to open it but the driver answers: “It’s for the woman.”
The guard loses interest in searching it, and I pass safely into Aleppo. Another miracle? I don’t know.
I gather friends around me. Most of them are decorating a Christmas tree for the first time and even though the ritual has no religious meaning for them, they came and stayed around me to share my joy.
Jawad, the weirdest among them, says cheerfully: “Christian feasts are really nice.” And we all laugh.
Ali, my friend in the Free Syrian Army, approaches carrying a gift he wants me to put under the tree. I take it—I’m stunned with terror. A very small assassination pistol. He says: “It’s nothing. Is case they come for you,”—he means ISIS – “don’t let them get you alive.”
The thought is terrifying. It’s terrifying that someone’s love for you suggests your suicide. He realizes that I cannot kill, so he didn’t even try to convince me to defend myself. The pistol was eventually stolen, along with the laptop and other items in the house, and we never needed to use it. A miracle, again.
Today that tree lies in a house in the neighbourhood of Al Sukkari; a house its owner sealed up with bricks before fleeing to we don’t know where.
Maybe this is what Christmas is all about.
To be naïve among the people you love, defying death and loneliness.
To ignore the fact that Santa Claus is really your parents.
To brave the possibility of sniper fire so you can spend New Year’s Eve with friends.
To smuggle a Christmas tree through ISIS checkpoints.
To set goals for the New Year, knowing you cannot achieve them.
To pray from the heart that the doors do not close in the faces of the refugees from your country like they were closed in the faces of Mary and Joseph on Christmas Eve.
To try and find a miraculous way to penetrate an extremely painful memory and paint some love into it.
Maybe this is what Christmas is all about. To be naïve enough to write a letter wishing for “freedom”.
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