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By maldini 2015-12-24 01:16:40
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Valefor.Endoq said: »
Actually the more I think of it... These holidays seem to be days of celebration offered up to idols, and as a Christian I should really take no part in them because of the sake of the conscience of others who might be emboldened in a false belief or practice.
I could be wrong, I need to seek answers on this to see if there is any truth in it... But the fact that these are/were days offered up to other gods should speak for its self, and me participating would seem contrary to my beliefs in a one true God.

So I guess both sides defending/opposing Christmas are wrong.

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I am not being sarcastic..

It isn't hypocritical to wish other people "Merry Christmas" even if you yourself don't believe in it. If the concept offends your personal beliefs and you feel it has hijacked your religion, I guess saying Merry Christmas to others is out of respect for them. Many of them will be Christians who believe what you believe but won't appreciate someone giving them a lecture. Its an opportunity to wish someone well, use it. Doesn't mean you are perpetuating something you don't believe in.
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By Bahamut.Ravael 2015-12-24 01:40:18
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I don't see why people get so worked up for holidays in the first place.

"Hey man, today the Earth is in a similar position relative to the sun as it was when I was born! Treat me special!"

And then you have holidays that people celebrate for no good reason, seeing as how most people don't even have a clue what they were meant to celebrate in the first place. But hey, let's go nuts on St. Patrick's Day / Cinco de Mayo / (Insert random day where people feel the need to get drunk here)!

In spite of all that, if someone wants to wish me a Happy [Arbitrary Celebration Day] because they're really stoked about it, give me a freaking high five and own that day, because life sucks and any stupid event that we can use to commemorate something cool or make ourselves feel happy is a win in my book.
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By Altimaomega 2015-12-24 01:53:30
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Bahamut.Ravael said: »
because life sucks and any stupid event that we can use to commemorate something cool or make ourselves feel happy is a win in my book.
Bahamut.Ravael said: »
(Insert random day where people feel the need to get drunk here)!
I think you're onto something Rav.
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By Valefor.Endoq 2015-12-24 02:14:13
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maldini said: »
Valefor.Endoq said: »
Actually the more I think of it... These holidays seem to be days of celebration offered up to idols, and as a Christian I should really take no part in them because of the sake of the conscience of others who might be emboldened in a false belief or practice.
I could be wrong, I need to seek answers on this to see if there is any truth in it... But the fact that these are/were days offered up to other gods should speak for its self, and me participating would seem contrary to my beliefs in a one true God.

So I guess both sides defending/opposing Christmas are wrong.

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I am not being sarcastic..

It isn't hypocritical to wish other people "Merry Christmas" even if you yourself don't believe in it. If the concept offends your personal beliefs and you feel it has hijacked your religion, I guess saying Merry Christmas to others is out of respect for them. Many of them will be Christians who believe what you believe but won't appreciate someone giving them a lecture. Its an opportunity to wish someone well, use it. Doesn't mean you are perpetuating something you don't believe in.
Good points.
I know full well (painfully so) that my own impressions are flawed and often completely wrong. That's why I have to ask God for insight/revelation and search scriptures to confirm if it is of God or of myself.

I'm really on the fence as to if my stance on Christmas is hypocritical or not...
And while I do not like the holidays in their own rights, I do like that the gospel is spread as a result.
When someone tells me "Merry Christmas" I assume they say this for Christ sake, and that is something I cannot argue against and is something I do actually condone if it is said in the spirit of God and not in the spirit of rivalry to people who do not believe.
When someone says "Merry Christmas" I see a person who is receptive to hearing the Word and hope to be able to share it. I hope to use every opportunity to share that gospel because of the great joy and healing it has brought me in my life, and I want others to know this power of love as well, even greater than I have. I do not consider myself to be perfected, but I hope in Christ that the day will come.

So I will still say "Merry Christmas", but I say it for Christ's gospels sake, and no other reason. (My previous reasons posted do actually fall within these teachings and if I am not scripturally accurate then please inform me of my error)

Also this drawing a distinction between "Merry Christmas" and "Happy Holidays" actually seems to expose those who are more receptive and those who are not. So in a way this has become a blessing to those who are spreading the word and have realised this for what it could be.
So do not be upset when people say something other than "Merry Christmas", they say it out of disbelief, and aren't those the people that Christ has sent us to preach the Word to in gentleness and loving-kindness? So if we scorn those who do not believe then how should they ever receive us or the Word after we have wounded them in such a manner?
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By Valefor.Omnys 2015-12-24 06:52:51
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I once had a Jewish friend, who was raised in a very religious home. He since abandoned the religion, but not the tradition.

He had a deep-seeded and almost-unnatural hatred of Christmas. He was one of those people that unloaded on store clerks who were unlucky enough to say it to him.

Why? It wasn't the Christian-centric part that he hated. It was, in his own words, all the pain that Christmas caused him as a kid as his friends to awesome things and he did not. Yes, he had Hanukkah but apparently his family was not big into giving great presents.

I tried to explain to him that there are effectively holidays that happen on December 25, and he could never get it through his skull. Generally he was intelligent and open-minded but his hatred had become so ingrained, he wouldn't listen. He also started saying absurd things like he has never known a non-Christian that celebrated Christmas (in any fashion). Baloney.

There's the Christian/family-oriented Christmas. Whether you celebrate for religious reasons or entirely just enjoying the chance to be together with those you love, the chance for someone to put their entry into the years-long Great Turkey Cookoff contest. These two are one Christmas.

The other Christmas is the one that he hates, though he couldn't understand. It's the one the stores celebrate. Stores don't/have never cared about the birth of Christ (not to imply he was born 12/25) or the emotional value of togetherness. They care that we have a cultural reason to spend money, all our money, on all the people we care about. Black Friday sales are strutured around cruel lies, like sending out fliers advertising super-cheap electronics to 100,000 people when the store (seriously) has 2 or 3 of such model in stock. They embrace the fighting that may ensue because the flyer gets people in the doors.

If a thing went viral on social media today, that said we were going to, as a nation, start a Christmas scale level of giving on July 19th (random choice)--if such a thing went viral and marketing for Wal Mart, Target, Amazon, etc. all thought that it had the traction, they'd set up a Black Friday in June sometime and go with that.

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It's funny that it's politically incorrect to say Merry Christmas, and yet it's the holiday the stores care about. 99.5% chance that if you're buying lots of expensive things in mid/late December, you're buying for the 25th, and the stores love you for it but they'll still say Happy Holidays even though they're grateful for you giving them a Merry Fiscal Christmas.

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On the other hand, I once knew an old man named Larry who vehemently refused to celebrate Christmas because of pagan roots, but my response to him was the same response I give to people who won't celebrate halloween: It's a 24-hour cycle like any other, you have to get through it. You're not doing anything wrong by enjoying it with friends and family.
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By maldini 2015-12-24 07:26:08
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Valefor.Endoq said: »
maldini said: »
Valefor.Endoq said: »
Actually the more I think of it... These holidays seem to be days of celebration offered up to idols, and as a Christian I should really take no part in them because of the sake of the conscience of others who might be emboldened in a false belief or practice.
I could be wrong, I need to seek answers on this to see if there is any truth in it... But the fact that these are/were days offered up to other gods should speak for its self, and me participating would seem contrary to my beliefs in a one true God.

So I guess both sides defending/opposing Christmas are wrong.

EDIT:
I am not being sarcastic..

It isn't hypocritical to wish other people "Merry Christmas" even if you yourself don't believe in it. If the concept offends your personal beliefs and you feel it has hijacked your religion, I guess saying Merry Christmas to others is out of respect for them. Many of them will be Christians who believe what you believe but won't appreciate someone giving them a lecture. Its an opportunity to wish someone well, use it. Doesn't mean you are perpetuating something you don't believe in.
Good points.
I know full well (painfully so) that my own impressions are flawed and often completely wrong. That's why I have to ask God for insight/revelation and search scriptures to confirm if it is of God or of myself.

I'm really on the fence as to if my stance on Christmas is hypocritical or not...
And while I do not like the holidays in their own rights, I do like that the gospel is spread as a result.
When someone tells me "Merry Christmas" I assume they say this for Christ sake, and that is something I cannot argue against and is something I do actually condone if it is said in the spirit of God and not in the spirit of rivalry to people who do not believe.
When someone says "Merry Christmas" I see a person who is receptive to hearing the Word and hope to be able to share it. I hope to use every opportunity to share that gospel because of the great joy and healing it has brought me in my life, and I want others to know this power of love as well, even greater than I have. I do not consider myself to be perfected, but I hope in Christ that the day will come.

So I will still say "Merry Christmas", but I say it for Christ's gospels sake, and no other reason. (My previous reasons posted do actually fall within these teachings and if I am not scripturally accurate then please inform me of my error)

Also this drawing a distinction between "Merry Christmas" and "Happy Holidays" actually seems to expose those who are more receptive and those who are not. So in a way this has become a blessing to those who are spreading the word and have realised this for what it could be.
So do not be upset when people say something other than "Merry Christmas", they say it out of disbelief, and aren't those the people that Christ has sent us to preach the Word to in gentleness and loving-kindness? So if we scorn those who do not believe then how should they ever receive us or the Word after we have wounded them in such a manner?

Bang on. Tolerance and acceptance of diversity. Most importantly, judgment of the inner self and soul is for God, and God alone.

I hope this Christmas unites you with your loved ones and family. I hope its an opportunity for all to get away from the grind of life and think about what really matters and get some perspective.


@Omnys Marketing and PR are major culprits in what is wrong today. You touched upon the monetization of Christmas - I think you would love reading up on Edward Bernaise (Freaud's Nephew and founder of PR) and Philip Morris and how they've ruined society.

Merry Christmas to you all
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By Clinpachi 2015-12-24 07:31:46
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I'm an overly simple person sometimes. If I'm in a country that is celebrating a holiday and someone wishes something toward me regarding it, I would just say you too and move on. Holidays are supposed to be a festive and fun time for those who participate. By you trying to lecture or feel disgust toward someone wishing you well, you are just ruining it for people and being "that guy".

While America is a "melting pot" with all walks of language, religion, and ethics, we are a primarily Christian country that primarily speaks English. We celebrate Christmas nation wide. Chances are you are going to be wished Merry Christmas whether you like it or not.

I'm not Christian or religious by any means, but I'm not going to be "that guy" and just enjoy what the holidays are meant to represent.

When in Rome, do as the Romans do.
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By Ramyrez 2015-12-24 07:51:50
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I think the "war on Christmas" as complained about by the religious right is an entirely fabricated thing on their behalf to paint themselves as a persecuted majority for the sake of whipping up support internally.

I love the holiday season. Regardless of the particular holiday anyone elects to celebrate. It is, in fact, my favorite time of the year from Thanksgiving to New Years. Even at my "angriest atheist" moments I've never had a single thing against the spirit of Christmas. Whether you believe in the divinity of Christ or not, you're an *** if you can't appreciate a holiday that -- at least at its heart -- encourages people to treat each other well and warmly, with kindness, and to celebrate life as we enter a season of cold desolation in many parts of the Western world.
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By Ramyrez 2015-12-24 07:53:59
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I'm not Christian or religious by any means, but I'm not going to be "that guy" and just enjoy what the holidays are meant to represent.

This.

If you can't celebrate the intent of Christmas behind all the religious claptrap, you're not enlightened. You're just an ***.
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By fonewear 2015-12-24 08:05:26
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Merry Christmas to you terrible but lovely people !
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By fonewear 2015-12-24 08:09:40
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By Ramyrez 2015-12-24 08:10:26
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Much as I hate to admit I enjoy everyone on the FFXIAH different musings for different reasons.

I enjoy how most of the time I know I don't have to take any outrageous thing you're saying too seriously, and I can always look at your avatar to feel better.
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By fonewear 2015-12-24 08:11:40
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I'm serious about not being serious !
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By fonewear 2015-12-24 08:14:17
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I don't see why people get so worked up for holidays in the first place.

"Hey man, today the Earth is in a similar position relative to the sun as it was when I was born! Treat me special!"

And then you have holidays that people celebrate for no good reason, seeing as how most people don't even have a clue what they were meant to celebrate in the first place. But hey, let's go nuts on St. Patrick's Day / Cinco de Mayo / (Insert random day where people feel the need to get drunk here)!

In spite of all that, if someone wants to wish me a Happy [Arbitrary Celebration Day] because they're really stoked about it, give me a freaking high five and own that day, because life sucks and any stupid event that we can use to commemorate something cool or make ourselves feel happy is a win in my book.

That is why I only celebrate Grandparents day !

National Grandparents' Day in the U.S. is the first Sunday after Labor Day, in September.
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By Asura.Kingnobody 2015-12-24 08:55:12
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Valefor.Endoq said: »
Why can't Merry Christmas, Happy Chanukah, Kwanzaa(I'm not sure what the Kwanzaa greeting is), Happy Flying Spaghetti monster day, Happy new years, etc, just be taken as a wish of good will and not taken to offence?
Because feels.
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By Asura.Kingnobody 2015-12-24 08:57:01
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Bahamut.Ravael said: »
I don't see why people get so worked up for holidays in the first place.

"Hey man, today the Earth is in a similar position relative to the sun as it was when I was born! Treat me special!"

And then you have holidays that people celebrate for no good reason, seeing as how most people don't even have a clue what they were meant to celebrate in the first place. But hey, let's go nuts on St. Patrick's Day / Cinco de Mayo / (Insert random day where people feel the need to get drunk here)!

In spite of all that, if someone wants to wish me a Happy [Arbitrary Celebration Day] because they're really stoked about it, give me a freaking high five and own that day, because life sucks and any stupid event that we can use to commemorate something cool or make ourselves feel happy is a win in my book.
Remind me to give you a high five on March 2nd.

Edit: It will be a freaking high five.
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By Ramyrez 2015-12-24 09:19:21
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fonewear said: »
That is why I only celebrate Grandparents day !

Not to make this dark, but I strongly suggest in the most sincere way possible celebrating grandparents day every day you can.

Even when you do know what you've got before it's gone doesn't making losing it any easier.
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By Ramyrez 2015-12-24 09:33:51
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Christmas predates Christianity. It's just what it's called now.

Hence the celebration of the holidays in general.

Christians arbitrarily took Christians from other people anyhow, why not just keep using it in a good way?

And hey. Commercialization may not be the most endearing aspect of the holidays, but at least it helps the economy.

I don't celebrate it as a Christian tradition, or even as a pagan tradition. I celebrate it as a Western/American tradition that's been passed down and the reason doesn't really matter. I'll take the opportunity to spread a message of being not shitty to other people whenever I can, and if I have an excuse for a few days off and to exchange gifts at the same time, why not?
 
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but "the war on Christmas" is from Christians.

I said that first thing? I'm confused.

Whatever. Give me some eggnog.

And by eggnog I mean bourbon and ice cubes.
 
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By Siren.Mosin 2015-12-24 09:40:33
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If it's anything like the 'war on drugs' I wouldn't be too worried.
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I thought war involved ISIS and Muslims not being offended by a name of a holiday.
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If it's anything like the 'war on drugs' I wouldn't be too worried.

It's easy:

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but "the war on Christmas" is from Christians.

I said that first thing?

Yes, but you said to cut through the religious claptrap as in take "Merry Christmas" and roll with it. That if you can't just do that then you are an *** :P

Yeah, people do, but there isn't a reason to just not use "Happy Holidays" and that is what gets this "War on Christmas" topic going.

I guess my thinking is the more people froth up about it the more it validates the people who want to make it an issue.

Say whatever the hell you want to me as long as it's well-intended and meant to encourage good things.

If it's "Allah Akbar" or "no more dead babies" or something and you shoot me immediately after, well, please don't do that.

But "Merry Christmas," "Happy Holidays," or "圣诞节快乐," I don't really care.
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By fonewear 2015-12-24 09:49:39
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but "the war on Christmas" is from Christians.

I said that first thing?

Yes, but you said to cut through the religious claptrap as in take "Merry Christmas" and roll with it. That if you can't just do that then you are an *** :P

Yeah, people do, but there isn't a reason to just not use "Happy Holidays" and that is what gets this "War on Christmas" topic going.

I guess my thinking is the more people froth up about it the more it validates the people who want to make it an issue.

Say whatever the hell you want to me as long as it's well-intended and meant to encourage good things.

If it's "Allah Akbar" or "no more dead babies" or something and you shoot me immediately after, well, please don't do that.

But "Merry Christmas," "Happy Holidays," or "圣诞节快乐," I don't really care.

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By Asura.Kingnobody 2015-12-24 09:53:22
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Ramyrez said: »
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but "the war on Christmas" is from Christians.

I said that first thing?

Yes, but you said to cut through the religious claptrap as in take "Merry Christmas" and roll with it. That if you can't just do that then you are an *** :P

Yeah, people do, but there isn't a reason to just not use "Happy Holidays" and that is what gets this "War on Christmas" topic going.

I guess my thinking is the more people froth up about it the more it validates the people who want to make it an issue.

Say whatever the hell you want to me as long as it's well-intended and meant to encourage good things.

If it's "Allah Akbar" or "no more dead babies" or something and you shoot me immediately after, well, please don't do that.

But "Merry Christmas," "Happy Holidays," or "圣诞节快乐," I don't really care.
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