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Populism and nationalism on the rise in Europe
Odin.Slore
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By Odin.Slore 2015-12-11 20:40:24
I never read enough on them to know their agenda
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By Odin.Slore 2015-12-11 20:44:26
The neo nazi movement.
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By Odin.Slore 2015-12-11 20:44:55
Seem from what I have read its like our neo conservatives just alot more violent
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Caitsith.Zahrah
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By Caitsith.Zahrah 2015-12-11 20:58:55
Asura.Floppyseconds said: »So if Germany is so great and peaceful why am I reading this in the news? Do not know exact date.
NeoNazi Attacks
The same reason the thread title exists?
They are not the only ones dealing with these minorities. It is all of Europe.
I ended up in an anti-Nazi march in Cologne in May. Germans are not happy with these people. They are overall happy with the immigrants.
I have never seen a neo march or anything as I was only in Germany for about 6 months back in 1997 and we did not leave base often as we were waiting to go to Iraq but they seem kind of unfriendly.
Errr...What? My dad and a few of his buddies, along with my husband's dad and his mother's siblings that served in the 1970's still look very fondly on being stationed in Germany.
I will say that my vague memories of the 1980's (before we ended up back in the US), the bases were very isolated, which is why my mother never wanted to live on-base and demanded brother and I attended German kindergarten. When visiting throughout the 1990's and 2000's, the "base culture" seemed more and more self-isolated.
Self-alienation?
Siren.Akson
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By Siren.Akson 2015-12-11 21:24:18
Respect to the Germans for once again trying to lead humanity towards something better. Seriously the Germans are so infinitely ahead of the rest of the world in maturity. American recent contributions to humanity: Bailed out the thiefs on wallstreet and the banks that almost tanked the world economy, rewarded corruption, Trump, Bush, countless wars, internal widespread racism towards minorities, especially those of African origins, acceptance of no refugees displaced as a direct result of american foreign policy, neighbors that detest you. I guess you live in America or Germany to pit one against the other? America vs Germany
By Jassik 2015-12-11 21:37:23
Also, one big one - if you're an American (or any other recognized national) you can get a free higher education in Germany... let me restate that.. you can get a free frigging bachelors degree.. paid for, by the German government and tax payer. The only condition is you spend 6 months learning German...
How many germans have crippling student loans?
hahaha, i don't understand why this is even a debate.
What is the wealth disparity like in Germany?
How big is the german middle class?
Is it growing or shrinking?
Whats the minimum wage in Germany?
What's the healthcare system like?
Put the statue of liberty in Frankfurt airport and add the line
"Free higher education as well".
hey, but that's all just facts for you. What really matters is
'MURICA!
Surprised someone didn't already make up some crap about population and how it makes doing anything intelligently impossible.
Bahamut.Ravael
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By Bahamut.Ravael 2015-12-11 21:46:36
Surprised someone didn't already make up some crap about population and how it makes doing anything intelligently impossible.
It's probably because we're dealing with a country that has over 80 million people, as opposed to the typical "we should be like (insert country here)!" that has a population much, much smaller than ours. Regardless, that doesn't mean that we can do what the Germans are doing, nor necessarily that we should.
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By Jassik 2015-12-11 21:49:33
Surprised someone didn't already make up some crap about population and how it makes doing anything intelligently impossible.
It's probably because we're dealing with a country that has over 80 million people, as opposed to the typical "we should be like (insert country here)!" that has a population much, much smaller than ours. Regardless, that doesn't mean that we can do what the Germans are doing, nor necessarily that we should.
The point is, i see that used as the counter to any comparison of the US with other countries and I've yet to see any compelling evidence that population even plays a roll in whether policies work.
Some made several posts comparing Germany's systems to ours and nobody mentioned population.
Also, if we have the ability to offer everyone a free education and healthcare by simply cutting back on love of war and corporate greed a fraction, why the hell shouldn't we?
You know, most kids fresh out of high school aren't even qualified to join the army much less develop future technologies.
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Bahamut.Ravael
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By Bahamut.Ravael 2015-12-11 22:00:41
Well, there's a lot more to do with it than just population. Population is just the most obvious factor.
Caitsith.Zahrah
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By Caitsith.Zahrah 2015-12-11 22:03:43
Surprised someone didn't already make up some crap about population and how it makes doing anything intelligently impossible.
It's probably because we're dealing with a country that has over 80 million people, as opposed to the typical "we should be like (insert country here)!" that has a population much, much smaller than ours. Regardless, that doesn't mean that we can do what the Germans are doing, nor necessarily that we should.
The point is, i see that used as the counter to any comparison of the US with other countries and I've yet to see any compelling evidence that population even plays a roll in whether policies work.
Some made several posts comparing Germany's systems to ours and nobody mentioned population.
Also, if we have the ability to offer everyone a free education and healthcare by simply cutting back on love of war and corporate greed a fraction, why the hell shouldn't we?
You know, most kids fresh out of high school aren't even qualified to join the army much less develop future technologies.
Single-payer has its' downsides. That's the only objection to the the German system that I can see.
The education system is different there, it's a tiered system based on aptitude, which may or may not allow for fluctuation based on strengths and weaknesses in different subjects. It's finite based on acceptance into Hauptchule, Realschule or Gymanasium.
EDIT: If we were to adopt the German system of education, it would hurt too many idealistic American egos to know they were left behind. Which, in theory, conservatives should be behind, but that's far too much of a stoic and pragmatic solution.
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By Jassik 2015-12-11 22:10:54
Well, there's a lot more to do with it than just population. Population is just the most obvious factor.
You keep saying population is a factor, but you've never said why.
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By Leviathan.Chaosx 2015-12-11 22:17:08
Germany, trying to take over Europe once again, this time financially.
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Bahamut.Ravael
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By Bahamut.Ravael 2015-12-11 22:28:39
Well, there's a lot more to do with it than just population. Population is just the most obvious factor.
You keep saying population is a factor, but you've never said why.
Basic logic? Would something that works for a town of 100 people necessarily work for the entire planet? If you're looking for a specific answer, ask a specific question.
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By Bahamut.Ravael 2015-12-11 22:53:53
Asura.Floppyseconds said: »Well, there's a lot more to do with it than just population. Population is just the most obvious factor.
You keep saying population is a factor, but you've never said why.
Basic logic? Would something that works for a town of 100 people necessarily work for the entire planet? If you're looking for a specific answer, ask a specific question.
I feel like things get written off too easily for various reasons in unspecific situations.
For once I agree with you. On the flip side, people often put too much faith in seemingly good ideas without knowing how well they'll actually work when implemented in a new environment. You can see this in plenty in corporations that try to mimic competitors' production processes and end up failing abysmally because, like a puzzle, sometimes the pieces just don't fit.
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By Siren.Akson 2015-12-11 23:04:46
....almost tanked the world economy, rewarded corruption, Trump, Bush, countless wars, Obama was never mentioned. As if he's not president atm Quote: internal widespread racism towards minorities, especially those of African origins, fiction Quote: acceptance of no refugees displaced as a direct result of american foreign policy, Obama foreign policy and Jihadists = the reason Quote: neighbors that detest you. Says who. You? lol Quote: hey, but that's all just facts for you. What really matters is
'MURICA! You sound like a big fan lol
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By Altimaomega 2015-12-11 23:07:38
German unemployment: way lower than US America has been having a rough time for the past decade.
German working hours per week: way lower than US Quote: In the same New York Times article, another commenter noted that Americans view time as a currency in the workplace, as opposed to output. Meanwhile, Germans view results as the biggest indicator of results. Americans tend to spend more time socializing at work, while Europeans are less social but leave quickly after work.
"In the U.S., hanging out by the coffee machine and having a few minutes to talk while you drink your coffee is normal. So yeah, the workday is longer in the U.S., but it is also more relaxed. Longer, however does not mean more productive. About the same amount of productive work gets done in either case." Personally, I get ***done.
German productivity: way higher than US What year are you talking about?
Annual leave granted to Germans per year: Much more than in US If you are not stupid this is achievable in America.
German brands: Mercedes, Porsche, BMW, Audi, Volkswagon I started making a list of American brands.. Then decided I didn't want to spend all night doing it.
German Crime rate vs US crime rate: look it up, because if I quote it you will either call me a liar or say "so wut, murica!" Take away the cities that have been run by Democrats for over 50 years straight and we would more than likely be equal if not better. Look it up, because if I quote it you will either call me a liar or say w/e still America!
Person of the year: Angela Merkel lol
German Recent contributions to humanity: Bailed out 50% of Europe, taking in 1,000,000 refugees, neighbors that love you. Love how you say recent...
American recent contributions to humanity: Will take this one step at a time.
Bailed out the thiefs on wallstreet and the banks that almost tanked the world economy Even the American people are not happy about this. And who's fault is it that the entire World rely's on America? Don't like it boycott us, we don't care.
Trump has done nothing to Germany. Your bias'd is glaring.
countless wars, internal widespread racism towards minorities /InsertHystericalLaughter.giff
Germany Has Absolutely NO room to talk about wars and race issues.
acceptance of no refugees displaced as a direct result of american foreign policy, neighbors that detest you. This goes with this.
you don't see a whisper of immigration limitations Jewish refugees or their being outright denied access into the US only to be sent back to Europe to face their demise. We accept thousands upon thousand of refugees! The main reason I added Zahrah here is because it is a perfect example.
The Jews were not at war with us and there was no chance of them blowing/shooting up buildings!
Also, one big one - if you're an American (or any other recognized national) you can get a free higher education in Germany... let me restate that.. you can get a free frigging bachelors degree.. paid for, by the German government and tax payer. The only condition is you spend 6 months learning German... Funny, we do the same thing. Why mention this?
How many germans have crippling student loans?
hahaha, i don't understand why this is even a debate. It isn't and neither do I.
What is the wealth disparity like in Germany?
How big is the german middle class?
Is it growing or shrinking?
Whats the minimum wage in Germany?
What's the healthcare system like?
It's probably because we're dealing with a country that has over 80 million people, as opposed to the typical "we should be like (insert country here)!" that has a population much, much smaller than ours. Regardless, that doesn't mean that we can do what the Germans are doing, nor necessarily that we should.
And finally.
American recent contributions to humanity: The Marshall Plan. Look it up, learn something. Not to mention the BILLIONS of dollars the USA has given out since then.
Is America perfect? Hell,no. However, Germany owes America for everything it has become. You're welcome.
By Altimaomega 2015-12-11 23:13:40
Asura.Floppyseconds said: »Awwww, I am your AltimaOmega, so sweet.
I feel violated in so many ways right now.
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By Altimaomega 2015-12-11 23:49:24
Asura.Floppyseconds said: »How the *** is someone supposed to respond to a mass sentence by sentence response? It can be done.. He started it actually. So put on your big boy pants.
Asura.Floppyseconds said: »Altimaomega said: »
I We feel violated in so many ways right now. I don't understand what your going on about.
Asura.Floppyseconds said: »just not be arrogant instead Funny, coming from you.
Caitsith.Zahrah
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By Caitsith.Zahrah 2015-12-11 23:51:12
you don't see a whisper of immigration limitations Jewish refugees or their being outright denied access into the US only to be sent back to Europe to face their demise. We accept thousands upon thousand of refugees! The main reason I added Zahrah here is because it is a perfect example.
The Jews were not at war with us and there was no chance of them blowing/shooting up buildings!
What? Quote me in context or did you not understand it? Or do you not know about the MS Saint Louis?
EDIT: What about the Turkish immigrants that Germany took in during reconstruction?
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By Altimaomega 2015-12-12 00:03:52
Asura.Floppyseconds said: »Asura.Floppyseconds said: »How the *** is someone supposed to respond to a mass sentence by sentence response? It can be done.. He started it actually. So put on your big boy pants.
Asura.Floppyseconds said: »Altimaomega said: »
I We feel violated in so many ways right now. I don't understand what your going on about.
Asura.Floppyseconds said: »just not be arrogant instead Funny, coming from you.
I was saying we feel violated by a mass sentence breakdown.
Also it takes one to know one, yes? Soooo...
Then again what would Americans be without their ridiculous levels of arrogance? Canadian..
By Altimaomega 2015-12-12 00:12:52
What? Quote me in context or did you not understand it? Or do you not know about the MS Saint Louis?
Quote: The MS St. Louis was a German ocean liner most notable for a single voyage in 1939, in which her captain, Gustav Schröder, tried to find homes for 908 Jewish refugees from Germany, after they were denied entry to Cuba and the United States, until finally accepted in various European countries, which were later engulfed in World War II.
I'm in shock the United States turned away refugees that came from a country that was at war with it's ally's.
EDIT: What about the Turkish immigrants that Germany took in during reconstruction? Don't wanna sound rude, but I really don't care.
By Altimaomega 2015-12-12 00:13:55
Asura.Floppyseconds said: »Do I not count then? ?
Quote: The European Union is under threat from rising populism and nationalism fuelled by a record migrant influx, European Parliament president Martin Schulz warned Tuesday.
"The European Union is in danger. No one can say whether the EU will still exist in this form in 10 years," Schulz said in an interview with German newspaper Die Welt.
In the EU there were now "forces at work to drive us apart," said the German politician.
"We must avoid this because the consequences would be dramatic."
The alternative to the EU would be a "Europe of nationalism, a Europe of borders and walls" -- a formula that had led the continent into "catastrophe" repeatedly in the past, Schulz said.
Germany is on course to take in one million asylum seekers this year, half of them from Syria.
Schulz voiced concern about a lack of solidarity by many EU members in hosting the refugees, and about moves by several eastern European countries to build new barriers.
He said "the retreat of many governments into nation-based thinking is fatal".
"No country alone can handle challenges such as migration, climate change, terrorism, trade and international crime. We can only do it together, as the EU." This is an important topic imo. Cause what happened in France the other day with the extreme right winning the majority of votes is not an isolated case. It's happening all over Europe, and in Italy too the far right gains worrying levels of consensus.
Philip II of Macedon said dividi et impera. The more our union falls apart, the weaker we become and a fertile ground for more wars.
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