[dev1296] Aeonic Weapons

Whiffudo +50% WSD is still 0. ;)

Occult Acumen helps for them, but they should add a healer's equivalent. Also, I think they should make it so for SMNs, the TP the avatar gains from melee should be added to the master. Or at least have a JA SMNs could use to make that occur.

Unfortunately, I'm pretty sure they were talking about Consume Mana when they made that post. While it's not Scythe specific, it's hard to ignore that Entropy allows it to be taken advantage of much more frequently. Too bad the JA is weak, and Entropy isn't so hot either. I'd love to be wrong though...

Kind of sorta makes me wanna come back from my termination.

Sounds interesting, but not worth doing $hit all over again from scratch.

lol

DRG was top tier as well for a long while. Mind you, you had to have a Mythic.

VW era mythic drg was top tier

Come here a moment Chris, my afterglow needs cleaning and using anything but the blood of filthy casuals will be a disservice to it.

Top tier is considered a job that average people can do great damage with moderate gear much like now with blue. Drg hasn't been there before unless you consider penta thrust days with tp. Sir we must agree to disagree. Now do you need your shoes shined sir?[/quote]

No it's not. Average people suck on BLU precisely because they think this way. Even giving someone a mythic won't fix this as the skill isn't in actually hitting macros but in planning and preparation ahead of time. I've seen a huge rash of people trying to bandwagon BLU lately and they suck horribly at it. Proth's guide does a lot to get a person starting, but it's just the first step. I could take my account with my gearswap and give it to a new person and they would crash and burn trying to do the stuff I do on BLU.

You know that's not possible... Even when we have content that can be done with varying setups, people default to only inviting very specific setups. Weapons, WS adjustments, they only change which 2 jobs will get invited in the pld (healer) geo cor group... People are stubborn, they'll wait for a hour to get a whm to heal an apex crab group of all things, denying a smn who can heal apex crabs just as well, and provide more benefits to the group.. And I also seen a group denying a really good dnc only to take a mediocre blu just cause its a blu.

I don't think Aeonics weapons are going to make more things balanced / viable at all.. History shows us that it'll only shuffle the cookie cutter tool's shape, and we'll all just be eating the same cookies soon enough, just with a different shape and size this time.

not any more convincing now than it was when rudra's was op

it's not as bad as bst, but blu still dominates most other jobs at comparable gear levels..

How the times have changed seeing you type that lol

just watch they will put up requirements be something stupid like 1 r.goldpiece 1=10,000 byne bill 1 R.Stripeshell, 3000 hmps, 100 cinders and to cap it off 60k alex :P just have to wait and see

Upgraded in 5 stages, each stage require 10k 2-Leaf Chloris buds.

This is quite true because those other jobs don't have nearly as many tools or methods to do anything. It's known as the skill vs power curve. How much skill does it take to acquire a certain amount of power. I've posted that video discussing this a half a dozen times so I won't post it again, but just look up extra credits balancing for skill. More difficult strategies should produce more powerful results. A strategy that isn't difficult yet products a powerful result is known as a First Order Optimal strategy and isn't good to have around for very long. Pet spam and relic RNG spam were FOO strategies. BLU and DNC both have high skill ceilings because there are so many moving parts to get more power with good choices or to lose power with poor choices.

Jobs like DRK / SAM / MNK / BST / THF (as DPS) are uni-dimensional and lack sufficiently important knobs and levers for a knowledgeable player to extract high levels of power. Conversely they also lack sufficiently important knobs / levers for an inexperienced player to impair themselves. Their power is baked-in, always on, and doesn't require the player to really become knowledgeable of the job. Not that these jobs don't have their own features, those features just don't impact the overall performance of the job enough for them to be a significant power increase. Warrior and Dragoon do have some significant choices that can have major effect on how they perform, not as much as BLU / DNC but more then the aforementioned jobs. Current game environment doesn't favor them very well though.

*note*
SAM does have one major trick up it's sleeve, but its requirements are pretty steep. SAM's can do six step double light SC's, it requires quite a bit of skill and your party needs to support you but when executed properly it's absolutely devastating in effect. It's requirement is that the SAM be the only melee present, which poses an entirely different set of problems.

You're a sick son of a ***, aren't ya?

I just thought of something what if new WS but you have to learn it by getting capped job points? only way to get it so if you want to use aftermath with new weapons you need to cap job points?

can't believe no one's thought of that yet!

Make it cost 100JPs to use an Aeonic WS

Pretty sure Aeonic weapons will be a 0.1% drop of a level 150 Pandemonium Warden, which is spawned by trading any 119REM weapon to a ??? in Reisenjima.

Yeah, an average player on BLU could probably dish out loads of damage. Just take the DD gearsets, the DD spell sets and go and do SR. Bam, depending on gear you've outparsed even BLUs who have played the job for years and if you have the gil to spend on +1 abjuration gear, pretty easy to do.

But, I really think the best BLUs aren't the ones doing the parse grabs (unless that's your sole role in the party, then I suppose that's your purpose). The best BLUs can adapt to their situation. Perform the best possible next action you could make. If the best action is to continue DD'ing to close your self light CDC, then do so. But sometimes, the best action involves healing other players, debuffing monsters (not just Tenebral Crush), trying to hold hate, or AoE mobs down, casting shadows to block a big nuke.

The thing about that is as someone said before, planning and preparation. To go directly from a Sinister Reign run to a Delve run, to Escha NMs and only changing your subjob and spellsets, and still providing the best you can for the party.

Another big thing is doing things based on your party setups. Lacking a job or player who could reliably silence something that saves a lot of DPS, risk, and time if its silenced? Then set the spell ahead of time in preparation. One example is Tojil. Easy enough to silence and saves having to deal with Sleepga, Breakga, Kaustra, Meteor. I know you'll be thinking "Ugh! Have the GEO or WHM silence it". That's a DD's mindset. If you picked up a few random players, you just have to expect the worst. Sure, you can expect a PUG WHM to cure mostly, and a PUG GEO to have indi/loupon up at least 70%+ of the time, but outside of that, set your expections low. If you've got a reliable person who can silence, you can remove it from your spell set and carry on, but if not, set a spell. Silent Storm lasts 5 minutes which these days is usually more than it takes to kill him.

And sometimes you may not even have those jobs available in the time frame you want to play.

I haven't felt like shouting for a stunner, so I just decided to /blm for Tojil. We can cap haste, so don't need BRD songs to reach the reduction on stun to keep Tojil's moves locked. You can WS between stuns, or if needed throw out a White Wind for the other DDs. You can even set a backup Temporal Shift stun too if needed.

I use this same strat on Hanbi, since if you stun his moves he won't spawn an add. Stun+Temporal Shift can pretty much lock him out of making adds if you're quick. And an add is a HUGE DPS loss for that fight, so it's almost stupid not to do it. If you invited a person specifically for stunning, you could DPS more yourself, but the mob's HP could increase. This turns BLU into a stunner, tank (actinic burst and stun to generate hate), and DD for that fight. Now you only need Apururu trust, and some good player DDs and you're set.

You know you can skillchain with other people yeah?

This pretty much applies to any-job as well which makes it sad... No job is just a one trick pony.... Just most refuse to see that.

*gives this man a medal*

Nor is there just one strat to anything or one way to do everything. just most don't think outside this box.